Betas : Your description of the Delta types?

[Tricky]

I would like to have your (subjective) description of each of the four delta types.

[redbaron]

who is that in your avatar? looks like forum user ESTP.

[sarinana]

[discojoe]

I think it's the chick who played Uhura in Star Trek.

EDIT: FUCK IT I WAS WRONG

FUCK FUCK FUCK GOD DAMMIT FUCK YOU BURN IN A VACUUM

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

i think it's rihanna

[crazedrat]

ISTp - distant, judgmental, egotistical ass
ENFp - whiny, needy, and babyish
INFj - they're ok but I find their beliefs dumb.
ESTj - rigid, stubborn, reactive, demanding

[Airman]

ISTp - distant, judgmental, egotistical ass
ENFp - whiny, needy, and babyish
INFj - they're ok but I find their beliefs dumb.
ESTj - rigid, stubborn, reactive, demanding

wow, you´re quite right there, except for ISTP, crazedrat. applauses.

I´m not particularly inclined to like ENFPs, although they can be in theory LOL interesting and good people.

You find INFJs dumb because they´re emotional and somewhat dumb/irrational. They´re little roses in a garden, they´re a soothing summer cool breeze.

You recognize the greatness of ESTJs... yes we´re rigid, stubborn, reactive and demanding. You got me all right there. And if you have a fucking Beta problem with this, you can either shove it up your ass, or I can shoot you and all your friends and relatives, and some other random people too because anyway everyone´s impure, in an orgy of revenge and anger because you´re being too critical, forceful and hurting my feelings LOLLOLOLROFLMAO

[Skeptic]

You recognize the greatness of ESTJs... yes we´re rigid, stubborn, reactive and demanding. You got me all right there. And if you have a fucking Beta problem with this, you can either shove it up your ass, or I can shoot you and all your friends and relatives, and some other random people too because anyway everyone´s impure, in an orgy of revenge and anger because you´re being too critical, forceful and hurting my feelings LOLLOLOLROFLMAO

Airborne's keepin it real for all the delta brothas in the hood yall.

[Galen]

I think it's the chick who played Uhura in Star Trek.

all black people look alike

[Tricky]

ISTp - distant, judgmental, egotistical ass
ENFp - whiny, needy, and babyish
INFj - they're ok but I find their beliefs dumb.
ESTj - rigid, stubborn, reactive, demanding

Thank you.

all black people look alike

And you look like my ex-boyfriend. Now let's hate each other.

I think it's the chick who played Uhura in Star Trek.

i think it's rihanna

Rihanna, yes. I think the Uhura actress is INXP, and Rihanna could be Beta irrational. Maybe they are both INFPs?

[silverchris9]

Rihanna is commonly typed INFp. Not all black people look alike.

[redbaron]

all black people look alike

is she black? well, whatever. she's beautiful in any case and still kinda reminds me of ESTP.

[discojoe]

IEE: ******
SLI: ******
LSE: ******
EII: ******

[redbaron]

IEE: ******
SLI: ******
LSE: ******
EII: ******

okay:

IEE: scattered, complaining, fun
SLI: boring, content, easy going
LSE: stiff, exacting, won't shut up, reliable
EII: nice but too nice, silently judgmental, caring

[Airman]

okay:

IEE: scattered, complaining, fun
SLI: boring, content, easy going
LSE: stiff, exacting, won't shut up, reliable
EII: nice but too nice, silently judgmental, caring

I agree with all except the IEE there, I´d say: scattered, complaining, childish, irritating and needy of attention like he/she´s some superstar special person and the center of the Universe.

LSE has also this kind of 'center of the Universe' complex, but it´s more in-your-face and direct, you can easily tell that an LSE sucks, whereas the IEE will disguise under being such a nice upbeat person oh so good person.

[DirectorAbbie]

EII: nice but too nice, silently judgmental

Funny...that's how I see IEIs.

[somavision]

I agree with all except the IEE there, I´d say: scattered, complaining, childish, irritating and needy of attention like he/she´s some superstar special person and the center of the Universe.

Cunt.

[discojoe]

I agree with all except the IEE there, I´d say: scattered, complaining, childish, irritating and needy of attention like he/she´s some superstar special person and the center of the Universe.

Stop pretending to be Delta, you owl's vagina.

[Kyon]

EII: nice but too nice, silently judgmental, caring

Speaking as an EII (...I think), your description is definitely partially on.

"Silently judgmental" rings very true - when you do something an EII thinks is wrong, they will at the very least judge you inside their own heads, whether you know it or not. It's very difficult for an EII to simply not judge others and internally "live and let live", when they hold so strongly to their individual ethical convictions.

"Caring" is also true of the vast majority of EIIs. When an EII is concerned about someone, they tend to invest all the energy they can into helping that person. Also, when a person approaches an EII with a problem, the EII tends to become very concerned very quickly. They have a natural tendency to take helping others personally.

"Nice but too nice" often does not fit, though - it's more true of IEIs, as Director Abbie pointed out. Most EIIs are definitely nice people by the traditional definition of "nice," but are not very prone to faking and pretending nothing is wrong when offended or slighted in some way. "Nice but bipolar" is a bit more accurate, actually.

[redbaron]

"Nice but too nice" often does not fit, though - it's more true of IEIs, as Director Abbie pointed out. Most EIIs are definitely nice people by the traditional definition of "nice," but are not very prone to faking and pretending nothing is wrong when offended or slighted in some way. "Nice but bipolar" is a bit more accurate, actually.

lol! okay... well, I guess what I meant by "nice but too nice" is when i think about my EII aunt putting up with my annoying LSE uncle. but then again, he probably doesn't annoy her in the same way, who knows. she also remembers everyone's birthday with a card. Which is too nice in that it makes everyone else feel guilty like oh great another card from her, she's perfect and I never send her a card so now I feel like crap (although actually I don't feel like crap because I don't hold myself to other people's standards). Maybe they just come off as "too GOOD" or something. "better than you"? I dunno what it is. It's very subtle though.

and yeah I can see how "nice but too nice" would fit IEIs. I have been guilty of that at times.

[Kyon]

lol! okay... well, I guess what I meant by "nice but too nice" is when i think about my EII aunt putting up with my annoying LSE uncle. but then again, he probably doesn't annoy her in the same way, who knows. she also remembers everyone's birthday with a card. Which is too nice in that it makes everyone else feel guilty like oh great another card from her, she's perfect and I never send her a card so now I feel like crap (although actually I don't feel like crap because I don't hold myself to other people's standards). Maybe they just come off as "too GOOD" or something. "better than you"? I dunno what it is. It's very subtle though.

and yeah I can see how "nice but too nice" would fit IEIs. I have been guilty of that at times.

Oh. Yeah, sorry, I thought you were referring to faking niceness and putting on a smiling social "mask," which is something that I personally find irksome, and is more in the field of Fe-valuing types like IEI.

I can see how EIIs would come off as "too good," though. We hold ourselves to very high ethical standards, so I understand how that might unintentionally make someone else feel guilty or bad. We're sorry, really.

[DirectorAbbie]

and yeah I can see how "nice but too nice" would fit IEIs. I have been guilty of that at times.

IEIs smile at me while thinking condescending thoughts or thoughts about where they'd rather be instead of smiling at me.

[Airman]

THE FACT IS, THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, DELTAS DO SUCK, BUT BETAS SUCK FAR MORE.

ALPHAS ARE JUST... FINE PERHAPS, THEY DON´T BOTHER TOO MUCH, THEY´RE JUST LITTLE CHILDREN PLAYING HAPPILY.

GAMMAS CAN BE FUCKED UP EGOMANIACS BUT THEY´RE USUALLY COOL TOO. GAMMAS HAVE PROBABLY THE BEST VANTAGE POINT IN TODAY´S WESTERN CIVILIZATION BECAUSE IT´S A GAMMA CIVILIZATION WITH LOTS OF DELTA ELEMENTS, BUT IT HAS BECOME TOTALLY GAMMA IN THE PAST 50 YEARS.

NOW IT´S ONLY INDIVIDUALISM, AND THIS IS TOTALLY WHAT GAMMA IS ABOUT, THE INDIVIDUAL´S VALUE. I´VE LEARNED TO THINK BETTER ABOUT GAMMAS BECAUSE GAMMAS AND DELTAS VALUE TE/NI, WHEREAS ALPHAS JUST LOVE TO BE BULLIED OR OPPRESSED BY BETAS, WHOM THEY THINK ARE THESE WONDROUS GODS... LOL... AND BETAS LOVE ALPHAS BECAUSE ALPHAS JUST FEED THEIR EGOES SO WELL... SUCH BULLSHIT NOW LEMME GO VOMIT

[DirectorAbbie]

You are an angry person, Airborne.

[Gilly]

SLI - passive aggressive, doesn't seem to take anything seriously, uninvested in people, seems to get a lot done without much effort but never really does anything worth doing
LSE - hard working, admirable for their ability and sometimes for their nonchalance; conversely, often crass and awkward (bull in the Fe china shop), can be overly-controlling and massive know-it-alls
IEE - Usually reasonable but sometimes annoying, can be good for a conversation but often seem flighty and disengaged, generally good people but I have a hard time understanding them
EII - Some of them are fun but most are just plain boring, and often judgmental

[DirectorAbbie]

LSE - hard working, admirable for their ability and sometimes for their nonchalance; conversely, often crass and awkward (bull in the Fe china shop), can be overly-controlling and massive know-it-alls

[Kyon]

THE FACT IS, THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, DELTAS DO SUCK, BUT BETAS SUCK FAR MORE.

ALPHAS ARE JUST... FINE PERHAPS, THEY DON´T BOTHER TOO MUCH, THEY´RE JUST LITTLE CHILDREN PLAYING HAPPILY.

GAMMAS CAN BE FUCKED UP EGOMANIACS BUT THEY´RE USUALLY COOL TOO. GAMMAS HAVE PROBABLY THE BEST VANTAGE POINT IN TODAY´S WESTERN CIVILIZATION BECAUSE IT´S A GAMMA CIVILIZATION WITH LOTS OF DELTA ELEMENTS, BUT IT HAS BECOME TOTALLY GAMMA IN THE PAST 50 YEARS.

NOW IT´S ONLY INDIVIDUALISM, AND THIS IS TOTALLY WHAT GAMMA IS ABOUT, THE INDIVIDUAL´S VALUE. I´VE LEARNED TO THINK BETTER ABOUT GAMMAS BECAUSE GAMMAS AND DELTAS VALUE TE/NI, WHEREAS ALPHAS JUST LOVE TO BE BULLIED OR OPPRESSED BY BETAS, WHOM THEY THINK ARE THESE WONDROUS GODS... LOL... AND BETAS LOVE ALPHAS BECAUSE ALPHAS JUST FEED THEIR EGOES SO WELL... SUCH BULLSHIT NOW LEMME GO VOMIT

Please, kindly up the dosage of whatever pill you're on.

[crazedrat]

Oh. Yeah, sorry, I thought you were referring to faking niceness and putting on a smiling social "mask," which is something that I personally find irksome, and is more in the field of Fe-valuing types like IEI.

I can see how EIIs would come off as "too good," though. We hold ourselves to very high ethical standards, so I understand how that might unintentionally make someone else feel guilty or bad. We're sorry, really.

High standards are a good thing, it's the contrived standards to watch out for.

[Skeptic]

Please, kindly up the dosage of whatever pill you're on.

lol, that's your dual now, be nice

[Kyon]

lol, that's your dual now, be nice

I'm just saying... anger management issues are blatant there.

[Beautiful sky]

I'm just saying... anger management issues are blatant there.

It's not anger, it's Fe role function humor.

[Airman]

It's not anger, it's Fe role function humor.

YES, you are totally right there, Maritsa.

People often mistake my Fe role function humor - which can be acid and sharp, sarcastic and even perhaps too direct so I understand why people make this mistake - for anger. It´s not anger, really, when you write something it´s hard to also show whether you were saying that in a kind of sarcastic and calm manner or totally pissed off and irritated. So in written language and especially this forum I´ve been learning that too often my humor is taken as offensive, and not as just making fun.

I also think people underestimate the importance of the 3rd Function (Role) which I see is very clearly used, not as often as the 1st of course, but often it replaces the 1st for a short span of time, like in my previous joke.

Whereas a serious built-up aggressive anger outburst (demonstrative Se in my case) occurs much less often. But people mistake one for the other often, and it´s not their fault, this is really complicated to convey without speaking, just through reading, you can easily not get an Fe-role joke and take it for an Se-aggression, especially if you´re Ti/Ne (alpha or beta) since Ti does not get subtleties, it just accepts all information as serious data to be dealt with.

And Maritsa, as my dual, could read me perfectly in this regard.

[Marie84]

Stop pretending to be Delta, you owl's vagina.

Speaking as an EII (...I think), your description is definitely partially on.

"Silently judgmental" rings very true - when you do something an EII thinks is wrong, they will at the very least judge you inside their own heads, whether you know it or not. It's very difficult for an EII to simply not judge others and internally "live and let live", when they hold so strongly to their individual ethical convictions.

"Caring" is also true of the vast majority of EIIs. When an EII is concerned about someone, they tend to invest all the energy they can into helping that person. Also, when a person approaches an EII with a problem, the EII tends to become very concerned very quickly. They have a natural tendency to take helping others personally.

"Nice but too nice" often does not fit, though - it's more true of IEIs, as Director Abbie pointed out. Most EIIs are definitely nice people by the traditional definition of "nice," but are not very prone to faking and pretending nothing is wrong when offended or slighted in some way. "Nice but bipolar" is a bit more accurate, actually.

[Simon Ssmall]

This sounds like "we have our own subjective rules of what we can do and what we can't and if other's don't follow our rules or don't agree with them, we will look down on them, and if they feel bad about it, it is their own fault, cause they didn't behave the way we decided is good." I guess INFJs are the dictators of behavior?

Should they act not according to their own standards just to make you feel better? Their not enforcing them, they live by them, whatever judgment others perceive is either a misunderstanding or a sub-product of being themselves.

[redbaron]

Should they act not according to their own standards just to make you feel better? They're not enforcing them, they live by them, whatever judgment others perceive is either a misunderstanding of a sub-product of being themselves.

fixed. sorry.

[Beautiful sky]

YES, you are totally right there, Maritsa.

People often mistake my Fe role function humor - which can be acid and sharp, sarcastic and even perhaps too direct so I understand why people make this mistake - for anger. It´s not anger, really, when you write something it´s hard to also show whether you were saying that in a kind of sarcastic and calm manner or totally pissed off and irritated. So in written language and especially this forum I´ve been learning that too often my humor is taken as offensive, and not as just making fun.

I also think people underestimate the importance of the 3rd Function (Role) which I see is very clearly used, not as often as the 1st of course, but often it replaces the 1st for a short span of time, like in my previous joke.

Whereas a serious built-up aggressive anger outburst (demonstrative Se in my case) occurs much less often. But people mistake one for the other often, and it´s not their fault, this is really complicated to convey without speaking, just through reading, you can easily not get an Fe-role joke and take it for an Se-aggression, especially if you´re Ti/Ne (alpha or beta) since Ti does not get subtleties, it just accepts all information as serious data to be dealt with.

And Maritsa, as my dual, could read me perfectly in this regard.

I enjoy this aspect of my duals, their humor is highly entertaining, even though I can see how it has many ethical slips in it (blunt, offensive, etc), but I can recognize when certain things have gone too far. Fi is able to recognize those lines between good/bad in a evolving/subjective and adaptive way. Once I know that you're a good person and what you say is not meant to hurt or harm any one I adapt to your ways and let you be who you are and promote social bonds. For instance, I'm able to ease the tensions of others who get offended by ESTj's bluntness/gruffness by communicating to them that that's just your type of humor, keeping your friends close by you (making sure they don't get offended and cut relations with you); helping you promote good social bonds.

In duality, you're supposed to be you and your dual accepts you as you are, but is able to take full benefit from those special abilities that you have...Te for me, Fi for you.

I'm very happy and content to be duals with such wonderful, sensitive, smart, organized, logical duals; You

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

Fi for you, Te for me,Fi for you, Te for me.
Fi for you, Te for me,Fi for you, Te for me.

Fi for you, Te for me,Fi for you, Te for me.
Fi for you, Te for me,Fi for you, Te for me.

Please don't go away, I'm ready and I'm able
Please don't go away (Don't go!) 'till morning comes around.
Please don't go away while maritsian typing is on the table
Please don't go away (Don't go!) just lay your body down.

Now I don't know what I would do if you got up to leave,
My jealous heart beats deep inside and not here on my sleeve.
'Cause I could show a boy like you such loving and affection,
I don't want to make no speech this here ain't no election.

Please don't go away, Honey, change your mind and stay!
Hot love's on the way, Honey, let me hear you say - yeah, yeah, yeah!

Fi for you, Te for me,Fi for you, Te for me.
Fi for you, Te for me,Fi for you, Te for me.

Fi for you, Te for me,Fi for you, Te for me.
Fi for you, Te for me,Fi for you, Te for me.

[strrrng]

IEEs are probably the most bearable, cause I can write off their scattered social capers without much tax. don't have many issues with LSEs; dealing with them in work settings is manageable, as long as they don't have too much authority. EIIs are just neutral to me, at this point; dealing with an Fi-EII parent for so long has immunized me to the silent judgments and attitude of aristocratic entitlement. SLIs I don't interact with much, and it seems when I do, there isn't a lot to say.

IEIs smile at me while thinking condescending thoughts or thoughts about where they'd rather be instead of smiling at me.

yeah, I do that, but who doesn't? it's hard not to see warped comedy in interpersonal activities on a daily basis, and usually people aren't aware to how they're casting themselves, so it's easy to see caricatures as well.

Should they act not according to their own standards just to make you feel better? Their not enforcing them, they live by them, whatever judgment others perceive is either a misunderstanding or a sub-product of being themselves.

if they're just "living by them," there's no need to judge others against them; that's basically trying to justify them to yourself. betas are easier for me to deal with in this regard, because they'll either write off any possible agreement of beliefs, or directly attempt to influence me.

[discojoe]

EIIs are cute little flowers.

[sarinana]

IEE - a nice, generous and interesting person from distance. However scatter brained, unstable, unreliable in close interaction. Impossible to understand their intentions. Treats everybody equally nicely so you will never know what status you have in their eyes.
SLI - Calm, majority dresses well, lazy, narrow minded.
EII- sympathetic, reliable, calm, hard working. Like IEE treats everybody equally nicely so you will never know what status you have in their eyes.
LSE - hard working, strict, asks stupid questions, insecure, rational, reliable themselves however doesn't trust others.