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    "Most blessed among women is Jael,
    The wife of Heber the Kenite;
    Blessed is she among women in tents." - Judges 5:24

    "Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!" - Jesus, in Matthew 11:11-14.

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    At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

    Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.
    - Matthew 18:1-5

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    @Eliza Thomason

    Romans 5:12-19 says:

    12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

    18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
    If that is true, and if Mary was/is especially "full of grace" according to to you, that would logically mean that Mary was especially sinful rather than especially virtuous.

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    @Eliza Thomason, which of Luther's Ninety-five Theses do you agree with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    @Eliza Thomason, which of Luther's Ninety-five Theses do you agree with?
    He is a heretic. He was not an admirable man in any sense of the word. See the Grzegorz Braun documentary. Why would I read Luther's insane drivel? Garbage in, garbage out. Bad fruit comes from men such as these. Really bad fruit.
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    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
    ........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........


    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
    by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
    attitude acceptable to today's standards."
    - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    @<a href="https://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/member.php?u=2712" target="_blank">Eliza Thomason</a>

    Romans 5:12-19 says:



    If that is true, and if Mary was/is especially "full of grace" according to to you,
    That is, according to the Angel Gabriel, who, upon leaving the throne of God, greeted Mary: "Hail, Full of Grace." Full means filled up, room for no more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    that would logically mean that Mary was especially sinful rather than especially virtuous.
    Mary, conceived in the natural way but unlike the rest of us, was conceived without the stain of original sin. Like Eve, the New Eve was created without sin, except Mary, full of Grace, never sinned, and she became the Tabernacle of God, and the Mother of God, her (and our) Lord and Savior.

    Sin was brought into the world through Eve's no; Salvations was brought into the world through the New Eve's yes.

    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
    ........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........


    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
    by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
    attitude acceptable to today's standards."
    - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    He is a heretic. He was not an admirable man in any sense of the word. See the Grzegorz Braun documentary. Why would I read Luther's insane drivel? Garbage in, garbage out. Bad fruit comes from men such as these. Really bad fruit.
    So Luther was wrong to campaign against the Catholic Church's selling of indulgences? So the Church was in fact right to sell indulgences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    That is, according to the Angel Gabriel, who, upon leaving the throne of God, greeted Mary: "Hail, Full of Grace." Full means filled up, room for no more.

    Mary, conceived in the natural way but unlike the rest of us, was conceived without the stain of original sin. Like Eve, the New Eve was created without sin, except Mary, full of Grace, never sinned, and she became the Tabernacle of God, and the Mother of God, her (and our) Lord and Savior.

    Sin was brought into the world through Eve's no; Salvations was brought into the world through the New Eve's yes.

    But according to the New Testament, grace is only given to sinners, and that all have sinned, even Mary.

    The New Testament doesn't say that Mary was free of original sin. That is a Catholic invention.

    Jesus in the New Testament put John the Baptist above Mary.

    Romans 5:12-19
    12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

    18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
    Matthew 18:1-5
    At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

    Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.
    "Most blessed among women is Jael,
    The wife of Heber the Kenite;
    Blessed is she among women in tents." - Judges 5:24
    "Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!" - Jesus, in Matthew 11:11-14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    'And Mary said: “My soul magnifies the Lord,
    And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior."' - Luke 1:46:47

    Why would Mary need a saviour if she was not a sinner?
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    And Stephen, full of grace and fortitude, did great wonders and signs among the people.
    Acts 6:8

    The phrase “full of grace” in Greek is “plaras karitos,” and it occurs in only two places in the New Testament; neither one is in reference to Mary.

    “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only-begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth,” (John 1:14).
    “And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people,” (Acts 6:8).
    https://carm.org/roman-catholicism/m...-and-luke-128/

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