I love statistics, data analysis, diagrams, etc
Is it type related?
Alpha > Gamma?
Gamma > Alpha?
Both?
Liking statistics - is it related to socionics types?
I love statistics, data analysis, diagrams, etc
Is it type related?
Alpha > Gamma?
Gamma > Alpha?
Both?
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant
--> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
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I like statistics too.Originally Posted by 1981slater
I think it is club-related:
NTs like statistics
STs use statistics when necessary
NFs are indifferent to statistics
SFs hate statistics
ILIs seem to like statistics too. 4-dimensional
Stan is not my real name.
Statistics are universally bullshit.
Easy Day
Statistics are statistics...they can be useful, I suppose, but they are just numbers that indicate something about the past. I care when they can be used to tell something about the future, but otherwise they are just numbers whose relevance has been lost.
I also generally like it. I think it just means we are nerds.
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I like statistics very much. My interest is not so much in collecting the data, but, to interpret what I see for patterns and trends. I often look at the forum stats.
For example, top posters as of late:
Maritsa33 508
Brilliand 94
thePirate 85
aixelsyd 81
discojoe 76
Diana 69
crazedratXII 68
Gilly 63
Top (2-3) posters over the last few months have averaged about 100-120 posts say weekly. I look at Maritsa's count of 508 and find this is a huge variance to the average trend. She is also the only poster with more than 100 posts. Based on the average posting habits over the last few months, I'll say the forum is experiencing an unbalanced state. 508 posts in such a short time makes me think Maritsa probably values
Alright, well, this is half in jest. But, I do spend alot of time looking at stats to predict patterns and trends. I've had an account with stockcharts.com for 8 years now. It is my personal stats playground. I'll use the information to develop technical trading systems. Also, in deciding on a new camera purchase, I will spend hours pouring over the specs, comparing cameras (including analyzing technical specs on lens - percentage of distortion, etc).
I have been toying with the idea of her as ESFj for a while now actually. Having discussed this with her and hitting a brick wall has not really changed this view. Her posting mannerisms do point towards Fe more than Fi, while at the same time she does not appear to be Beta.Top (2-3) posters over the last few months have averaged about 100-120 posts say weekly. I look at Maritsa's count of 508 and find this is a huge variance to the average trend. She is also the only poster with more than 100 posts. Based on the average posting habits over the last few months, I'll say the forum is experiencing an unbalanced state. 508 posts in such a short time makes me think Maritsa probably values
LII?
I like statistics. Especially diagrams.
I love Socionics, it's complicated enough to hold my interest and so much to explore about it that it fascinates me...and besides it's intellectual mastu...
Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I guess depending on the subject, every type would be attracted to statistical representations. However, as a general topic, beyond maybe the theoretical underpinnings, I find statistics dreary.
LII?
And ESFjs are unable to do that, right?
LII?
that is a bold conclusion. There can be lots of reasons why she posts much. Next to that, she has several traits that make her a rather special case INFJ, so I'm not surprised that her posting behaviour deviates too from the average INFJ.508 posts in such a short time makes me think Maritsa probably values
I like it when you talk dirty
this isn't such a bad idea, two friends of mine INTJ and ISTJ (both leading Ti types) have done university math with statistics as their main course.
ILIs seem to like statistics too. 4-dimensional
Though I guess there is a difference between statistic formula's and statistic information (diagrams, lists of percentages etc.)
But her typing credibility is highly suspect. She attaches meaning to rather superficial mannerisms as well as too much emphasis on VI to the exclusion of almost all else. Her INFj typing is in all likeliness based on this form of typing, and so is her view of you being a likely ESTj.
LII?
Maybe she's an ENFj.508 posts in such a short time makes me think Maritsa probably values
No she's clearly EII. Just a very stubborn one.
I am an EII, and we are all stubborn; we are all one, we are all twins.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
No. No type is exactly the same as anyone else of that type. Or do you mean fraternal twins? Sure; that makes sense. I'm your twin.
EIIs aren't stubborn. EIIs and SEIs are pushovers.
Same type are genetic twins. they have the same brain, like the same food, wear the same clothing, have the same hobbies, understand and come to the same conclusion.
When people type incorrectly they come to a lot of misconceptions of type. We are no push overs we are very strong and fight for what we believe in; our duals admire us for that.
SEI are gentle but strong hearted; they can work with emergency case animals so well, I on the other hand, can't bear to stand animals suffer.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Apparently there are more than 16 types.
If you ever go on a dating site, I can pull people of your same type, your twins, and you can ask them if they like the same things without really asking...like asking
What's your favorite book? or Your favorite comic?
and you will see that they are the same as you, sex, race, nationality, culture, cast, color, etc doesn't matter
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I hated statistics in high school, I loved it in college. I think, like math in general, it depends on how you're introduced to it.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
You've admitted this isn't true for ISTps.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
ISTp's are very interesting; only by observation of their language will you be able to tell them apart; they adapt the trend of the surrounding they are in; so not all ISTp's will wear the same things, they can be quite unique in a very hard to explain way....and as far as eating is concerned they are picky eaters, this is in concern for their health; their logic is very interesting. I would say that they are the most unique of all 16 types of personalities.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Gamma NTs (especially LIEs) like statistics because it provides them with an accurate picture of the changing states of the world, which they can use to plan method of acheiving their goals.
Alpha NTs (especially LIIs) like statistics because it gives them one more thing to analyze to death.
Quaero Veritas.
Yes, I'm thinking EFj at least, leaning towards ENFj.
Statistics is very important when you get to molecular physics.
Ha! Shows you haven't met me sista...
Why do you think this? Based on her typing methods, she may as well have flipped a coin and chosen her type.
LII?
yes but I don't think it because she says so. Her writing and picture confirm EII. (at least I like to think so:-)
IMO it stems from subjectivist/objectivist dichotomy, as subjectivists want to rely on hard, unquestionable data (at least beta). Objectivists seem to be taking things as "obvious". For me it's hard to fully rely on my judgement. I see too many variables and can change my point of view very easily so I need to base my judgement on real evidence. Otherwise it's just speculating. Just like right now
I hated my behavioral stats class. I only use statistics because it is necessary in my field of interest. I want to know the best treatments/meds or whether things are correlated together or not but I don't want to compute it myself.
“No psychologist should pretend to understand what he does not understand... Only fools and charlatans know everything and understand nothing.” -Anton Chekhov
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They are stubborn in a passive agressive way. They are indeed very soft and often push overs, except when they have some kind of principle to follow.
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Statistics are related to both T types. How the statistics are presented or what is emphasized has to do with Ti or Te, in my opinion. Everything that follows is my conjecture/opinion, but I think it makes sense.
Here's an example of Te use of statistics, imo. An ILI or LIE looks at a morass of (statistical) data about how a given set of stocks has performed (how many times a given stock has done a given thing, the number of fluctuations, the average fluctuations in a given sector, etc.). Without consciously or externally organizing that data into a system, he or she uses it to make a prediction about some future aspect of that stock's performance.
Statistics in a Te sense is also used by Fi valuers frequently to provide external "backup" to their subjective sentiments. For instance, someone who is fighting on some sort of Fi ethical compassion-for-all crusade might cite a bunch of statistics (x number of ys die every year due to evil thing z), in order to impress the importance of their views on others.
Statistics in a Ti sense is a little bit more organized and specific, and will tend to be used for a more specific purpose, not so much convincing people, but for proving something to one's self, or for arriving at a given conclusion. But I don't have as clear of a concept of how this might work.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
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I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
Agreed. Gamma NTs look at the data and get an intuitive sense of "where things are going", and base decisions on that. They do calculations and look for trends and such, but it's flexible and focused on understanding where the data is going, not on underlying systematic rules for why it's doing what it's doing.
Ti takes data and looks for ways to analyze it and find connections between it. They look for permanent rules or laws to explain why the data is the way it is. Whereas Te+Ni focuses on changing data, what has happened in the past, and where trends are headed in the future, Ti+Ne focuses on finding unchanging patterns in the data, stable rules to categorize data and organize it into a static logical system.
Frequently changing data sets are a bother to Ti types, because all this fresh data must now be analyzed categorized as well, instead of digging deeper and finding more underlying static patterns on the old data. For Te types, frequently changing data sets are fascinating; they're a challenge, like wrestling and taming a wild animal or something.
Quaero Veritas.
Maritsa, you never cease to amaze me.
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Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
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