Oh my GOD! That's amazing. Yes she is JUST LIKE my mom. Like my mom when she's trying to impress people - so like she'd be if she were being interviewed on TV. She's a bit dryer when she isn't trying to impress people.
Oh my GOD! That's amazing. Yes she is JUST LIKE my mom. Like my mom when she's trying to impress people - so like she'd be if she were being interviewed on TV. She's a bit dryer when she isn't trying to impress people.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Examples of ENTj-ISFj duality
OK, I got the idea of the thread from UDP who started something similar. I would like to know examples from real life, books, movies etc. since this duality is not really common (as compared to ESTj-INFj). I just want to have an idea how it plays out.
Great example:
Notice their facial expressions and body language and interactions... obvious Victim/Aggressor interactions.
<3 <3 <3
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my grandparents:
this is an arranged marriage though i can see that they really loved each other.
taken around 30 years ago.
taken 1933
which one's which?
King Hussein - Queen Noor
This video is far more about her than them, though.
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, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
If I had to guess, it would probably be her grandma been an ISFj and grandpa been an ENTj.
that's so romantic.my grandparents:
this is an arranged marriage though i can see that they really loved each other.
taken around 30 years ago.
taken 1933
God fucking dammit they look exactly like my girlfriend's father and mother(which i had already typed as isfj-entj)
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Ever read a couple of the labels on Newmans' [s:9bbc2fc4bf]Dressing[/s:9bbc2fc4bf] pasta sauce?
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6w7 sx/so
[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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Why did you capitalize the "d"?Ever read a couple of the labels on Newmans' Dressing?
It's actually a double mistake, I mean't the pasta sauce...o.oWhy did you capitalize the "d"?Ever read a couple of the labels on Newmans' [s:4d5d795217]Dressing[/s:4d5d795217]?
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6w7 sx/so
[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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TWICE THE SHITIt's actually a double mistake, I mean't the pasta sauce...o.oWhy did you capitalize the "d"?Ever read a couple of the labels on Newmans' [s:b6a4d778ff]Dressing[/s:b6a4d778ff]?
slide show of LIE/ESI couple
I think it's about time to find another couple for your examples. This example is getting quite tiring.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
so don't watch the slide show
(can you think of another LIE/ESI couple with as many photos of them on the internet?)
What ignorantly dumb thing to say.
No, but I am neither looking for an LIE/ESI example nor do I keep posting the same one for an example. This is your problem to deal with; you need to find another example of an LIE/ESI couple.(can you think of another LIE/ESI couple with as many photos of them on the internet?)
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
I don't feel like looking, partially because I'm quite happy with this one, and partially because I generally couldn't care less about famous people, so the likelihood of my randomly running into another one is quite slim.
So I guess we're going to have to agree that you'll continue to bitch and I'll continue to not care that you're bitching?
Come again? If you think that I'm "bitching," then you are obviously misinterpreting and reading an unintended tone into what I am saying. I hardly think that what I said warranted such language. I am sorry that I offered my constructive criticism of your over reliance of a single couple. I withdraw what I said earlier then.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
And now you're being passive aggressive and sensitive. Just look at your sig!Come again? If you think that I'm "bitching," then you are obviously misinterpreting and reading an unintended tone into what I am saying. I hardly think that what I said warranted such language. I am sorry that I offered my constructive criticism of your over reliance of a single couple. I withdraw what I said earlier then.
Would you then prefer if I was actively aggressive and insensitive?And now you're being passive aggressive and sensitive.Come again? If you think that I'm "bitching," then you are obviously misinterpreting and reading an unintended tone into what I am saying. I hardly think that what I said warranted such language. I am sorry that I offered my constructive criticism of your over reliance of a single couple. I withdraw what I said earlier then.
And? It's not bitching, whining, pouting, moaning, or complaining, though I can understand why you would interpret it as such.Just look at your sig!
Well I would prefer it if you gave me cookies, cakes, or pie. I am not really one who appreciates the finer qualities of receiving shit, so the only thing I know to do with shit is to wipe it off my ass (or have an ESE do it for me) and then flush it (or have an ESE do it for me).But it's okay, I was married to an LII for a little while. I understand. I'm just giving you shit.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
actively aggressive? yes. and insensitive wouldn't bother me
Well I would prefer it if you gave me cookies, cakes, or pie. I am not really one who appreciates the finer qualities of receiving shit, so the only thing I know to do with shit is to wipe it off my ass (or have an ESE do it for me) and then flush it (or have an ESE do it for me).But it's okay, I was married to an LII for a little while. I understand. I'm just giving you shit.
See, you overly-sensitive, arrogant, hypocritical, narrow-minded bitch? I am not the only one who thinks that you should try and find some new Gamma rational couples to display. While you may not see yourself as being a celebrity-worshiper - since as you say you do not know of other famous LIE/ESI couples (which is something I never suggested looking for BTW, just another set of examples that did not even have to be celebrities) - your over reliance on this one couple does make you look like you worship the Newman couple.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
If you're actually attempting to get her to change in some way, this is not how you go about doing it.See, you overly-sensitive, arrogant, hypocritical, narrow-minded bitch? I am not the only one who thinks that you should try and find some new Gamma rational couples to display. While you may not see yourself as being a celebrity-worshiper - since as you say you do not know of other famous LIE/ESI couples (which is something I never suggested looking for BTW, just another set of examples that did not even have to be celebrities) - your over reliance on this one couple does make you look like you worship the Newman couple.
I'll admit that seeing pics of them does make me feel inexplicably happy. It's almost disturbing similar to the way Peter and I act when I'm not feeling like shit, which is something I enjoy thinking about. I'm not relying on anything though... this isn't a submission of an article to an scientific journal. It's a post on a forum for hobbiest of a relatively unknown theory.
I have no reason to go searching for other LIE/ESI "exemplary" couples. I'll post what I want to post. Deal with it. (This film strip did have photos not seen in the youtube videos I've posted though.) As always, you are, of course, free to bitch as much as you'd like.
No not really, and I am not sure where you got the impression that I was trying to change anyone.If you're actually attempting to get her to change in some way, this is not how you go about doing it.See, you overly-sensitive, arrogant, hypocritical, narrow-minded bitch? I am not the only one who thinks that you should try and find some new Gamma rational couples to display. While you may not see yourself as being a celebrity-worshiper - since as you say you do not know of other famous LIE/ESI couples (which is something I never suggested looking for BTW, just another set of examples that did not even have to be celebrities) - your over reliance on this one couple does make you look like you worship the Newman couple.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
I believe he's wondering what you're trying to accomplish?No not really, and I am not sure where you got the impression that I was trying to change anyone.If you're actually attempting to get her to change in some way, this is not how you go about doing it.See, you overly-sensitive, arrogant, hypocritical, narrow-minded bitch? I am not the only one who thinks that you should try and find some new Gamma rational couples to display. While you may not see yourself as being a celebrity-worshiper - since as you say you do not know of other famous LIE/ESI couples (which is something I never suggested looking for BTW, just another set of examples that did not even have to be celebrities) - your over reliance on this one couple does make you look like you worship the Newman couple.
Just a little more variety to get an idea of what an LIE/ESI couple looks like other than the Newman couple.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
This might be the 4th topic on the subject. Well, at least she hasn't placed a slideshow of her and discojoe.
imfd95: it's not surprising that ENTjs don't contribute. Almost nobody is "accepted" as ENTj here if his though processes do not precisely conform to other people that think of themselves as ENTj. It's strange how Jung had warned extraverted thinkers to pay attention not to incur in this trap, yet in a forum whose theoretical basis comes straight from jung, the mistake is repeated ad infinitum.
For example I think resee witherspoon and ryan philippe are isfj-entj. yet ryan philippe can't be entj because he's an actor, and resee witherspoon just looks too extraverted to be isfj. or maybe jacqueline kennedy and j.f. kennedy, which again isn't accepted. anyway i think ben stiller and his wife can be a good example.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Jung's extraverted thinkers are not the same as in socionics. It's the source of much confusion.
Whoever said that ENTjs can't be actors? Don't we agree that Joanne Woodward is ENTj? Isn't Brad Pitt usually typed as ENTj? Etc. In Ryan Philippe's case, I think ENFj is more likely but it's more of a hunch, I haven't paid much attention to him, perhaps he is ENTj and perhaps it's a good example of an ENTj-ISFj couple.
Personally I've also typed Jodie Foster and Helen Mirren as ENTjs (not so sure about Mirren, though).
I have read a lot -- certainly too much -- about JFK, and he was probably the most perfect example of a successful ENFj in history. It doesn't take much of reading about him to discover that.
The Russian typing of him as ENTj is based on, essentially, nothing -- Igor Weisband told me that it was "he seemed to represent the American ideal male, which we think is the Jack London type". Which misses the entire point about JFK's personality.
Jackie O. was more likely ESFj or perhaps ENFj herself, not ISFj, and their marriage had nothing of duality in it, for all that the "Camelot" sycophants might want to make it appear so.
I have no idea.
I have two more possible ENTj - ISFj couples --
The ex-couple Nicolas and Cecilia Sarkozy (yes folks, not even the ENTj-ISFj duality assures that you'll stay together forever)
I am fairly certain of their types, unless Cecilia was totally full of crap in a lengthy interview she gave after announcing the divorce.
And perhaps --
Kate and Gerry McCann (I am more convinced of her as ISFj than of him as ENTj, though -- ESTj seems at least as likely, or more).
I don't really see how he could be a
Besides, I don't think how he can be an Extrotim, because he doesn't seem to accept world/people as is. He really seems like "I want to know the truth", which is more characteristic oftypes than
An example of auxilliary
I made my case in the wiki -- in the debate, Royal was far more confrontational than he. His level of aggressiveness seems consistent with LIE to me. And are all LIEs "absent-minded idealistic dreamers"?I don't really see how he could be a
Perhaps you're the one who's wrong about how the world is.Besides, I don't think how he can be an Extrotim, because he doesn't seem to accept world/people as is. He really seems like "I want to know the truth", which is more characteristic of
So if you're not like them you're not LIE?An example of auxilliary
or is he a SLE lazy-beer-drinker !?
*shrug* he may be LSI or SLE (what we'd call Ti subtype, just for reference, regardless of the "existence" of subtypes).
I watched closely his debate with Royal (I understand French very well, although I don't speak it that well), and to me LIE for him, and LSI for her, made by far the most sense. Other actions/words of his confirmed LIE for me. Perhaps he comes across as too "tough" at times, but actually I thought that Royal was far tougher.
explanations of pics of LIE/ESI couple
She's the LIE, he's the ESI. And yes, it's the same couple.
Obviously I have no way of knowing if my interpretations of these scenes is entirely accurate, but I think a lot of these photos capture the general feel of the Ni/Se "playfulness" I've mentioned in the past, as well as other aspects of LIE/ESI duality. Due to the nature of this post, I expect that others will see different possibly scenarios surrounding the pics. I'm just commenting on what I see in the pics.
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Here he's pointing out that they need to hurry/leave now or they're going to be late:
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Here he's pretending to be puzzled either by the thing he's holding or the fact that it was in that drawer.
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Playing with pets.
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They seem to have a thing for bikes... In this first one he's pretending not to allow her to pass.
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Here he's imitating someone:
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Here they're goofing around with those eye pieces... not sure what that's about:
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Here he might be pretending to be flabbergasted by something she said?
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Notice which one appears comfortable cooking and sewing:
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Huh... not sure what to say about this one...
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Here he's picking on her:
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He's being snuggly:
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She's goofing around, making a "smoochy" face:
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She's doing that because he's making a face at the camera, probably imitating someone:
"Kiss me."
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Here he's saying something and she's sitting there just watching and listening with an "oh yeah?" or "I don't believe you" or "I'm only mildly amused" expression.
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This may be a scene in which he was playing out an imitation of the statue?
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Here she's pretending to be relaxed. She's about to reposition or get up and move around.
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Si PoLR?
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And it looks like she just tossed her jacket behind her?
In some of the photos, their home has a rather "lived in" look compared to photos of other famous people's homes.
Notice the cabinet door and drawer not shut all the way:
Re: explanations of pics of LIE/ESI couple
Shouldn't that be the other way around? Shouldn't the LIE, with strong Ni (time-telling abilities) be reminding the ESI of the time?
Oh those crazy LIEs. So shit at taking and looking good in photos.Si PoLR?
Some of the photos are more telling when you look at them with other photos that were taken at the same time. It's easier to understand their interactions. In some of them you can see how she's warming him up for the camera.
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The faces he's making in the first two and the face she's making in the second one might suggest that the kid was fussing, and because he was amused by it, she gave the kid to him to calm down.
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(notice she's hanging on to his swing... he's still not into the photo idea)
(then she demands a kiss)
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Re: explanations of pics of LIE/ESI couple
Nope. LIE's are far less likely to be punctual than ESI's. That's one of the things ESI's help LIE's with.Shouldn't that be the other way around? Shouldn't the LIE, with strong Ni (time-telling abilities) be reminding the ESI of the time?
Remember, Ni is not about schedules, time (as in what the clock says), or dates. Ni is about the flow of events and the future/past. (That's what's meant when Ni is described as being about "time".)
Yeah, I was pointing out the plaid pants with that coat. (I actually didn't notice that at first... I only liked that photo because of what they're doing.)Oh those crazy LIEs. So shit at taking and looking good in photos.
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