Triple Doubter
Saw lack of The Seeker tritype (469/496/649/694/946/964) thread here, so decided to start one. Starting with Katherine Fauvre's video on this tritype as it is spot-on imo:
Then, a few descriptions I have seen on internet which seemed accurate enough:
From http://personalitycafe.com/enneagram...iptions-3.html
469 Seeker Archetype
469
If you are 469, you are intuitive, inquisitive and accepting. You want to be original, certain and peaceful. You are a very sensitive and can experience intense feelings of self-doubt and uncertainty. As a result you need multiple sources of confirmation. You want to be individualistic but can fear being separate from others.
Your life mission is to raise the questions pertaining to the mysteries of life and share your findings with others. A true seeker, you are happiest when you feel you can answer the question of who you are.
You can be so focused on your feelings, insecurities and doubts that you can feel paralyzed by the fear of making the wrong decision and of being misled or duped.
The 469 is a seeker with a lot of self doubt. There is always more to learn when you are this tritype but the desire is to develop a philosophy. the 6 and 4 have the most self doubt along with the 9. The 4 doubts their feelings, the 6 their thoughts. 6s want reassurance, 4s want praise to offset their natural tendency to be shame sensitive. The 4 leading is more concerned with the Who am I question and hopes to 'someday' have that answered through constant introspection and referencing their own feelings. I can only speak from my own lens and say that the 6 leading is less identity focused. Who Am I doesn't enter the picture like the 4, and less reliance on needing to set themselves apart to resolve the philosophical dilemma.
...the 6 will stereotypically give 469 some sort of orientation around associations to ease anxiety...469 will have more of a push-pull reaction pattern with authority in staving off inner anxiety.
The 9 or 4 with the 469 tritype has the 3 types that feel doubt. Doubt breeds insecurity which increases anxiety. The gift of this tritype is the ability to search for meaning. What begins as doubt ultimates brings a great deal of knowledge that can lead to greater understanding.
The sx 469s want the security of that comes with a trusted relationship. Grief can feel overwhelming and many have shared feeling flooded. They also report that grief brings up fear.
Both the 469 and 269 tend to be passive. The 269 is more engraciating. The 469 is more aloof.
The 468 reacts and rings the alarm to prevent making a mistake to calm down and the 469 doubts and procrastinates to avoid making a mistake.... To calm down.
The 469 is very gentle unless threatened.They are very out of touch with their gut! The struggle is with doubt and inaction.
9s fear being in conflict. 479 vs 469. Look at the level of confidence and optimism. The 7 brings a light touch with magical thinking, hoping for the best. In contrast, the 6 brings support and loyalty. Both are highly intuitive but the 469 has more doubts - The 479 is more future oriented, focusing on the possibilities. The 469 is more dutiful with a heavier heart, fearing that they can't make enough of a difference.
469s report a fear of making ten wrong decision and then having feelings of painful self consciousness and shame for having done so.... But also for not making a decision.
If 6 is dominant in the 469 tritype, there are more obvious fears and concerns. However, 946 and 469 are equally troubled by insecurities.
All 3 types have a little paralysis through analysis. And all 3 hate conflict.) The 469 experiences extreme self doubt and hesitates more than other 4s. It is a shy 4 but they do have their own opinions...they are just reluctant to voice them. The 649 has the greatest difficulty trusting their own thoughts and tends to seek multiple confirmations before making decisions. The 964 is plagued with indecision too and can look like a 6 but they are not as inclined to seek opinions from others. They just avoid the conflict hoping it will resolve itself.
The 469 is the most doubting tritype regardless which type is in charge. It is also the tritype that most struggles with a constant sense of self. They can also be somewhat passive. The only tritype more passive is the 269. The 269 is happier in presentation.
Regarding doubt for the 469: I think Katherine said that the 4 has self-doubt, the 6 doubts themselves and others and the 9 has the believer/doubter dichotomy.
the 649 (or 469 964) want peace harmony and gentleness. They are sensitive and doesn't know what to trust and in particular doesn't know what to trust in themselves. She stated that the 6 is more often than not phobic and needs multiple sources of confirmation and information. They don't feel they can rebound from emotional pain so they tend to avoid it through the questioning process and end up finding more questions.
469 is going to have more difficulty being separate from others. More shame and anxiety about being different. There would be more checking in with others.
(4)-6-9 - The Normative 4
4-(6)-9 - The Withdrawn 6
4-6-(9) - The Reactive 9
This tritype has many self-confidence problems. They may often feel as though they need help from others, but that they are unable to get it. They fight between needing others and striving for seclusion.
6-4-9
Accepting and intuitive, most emotional and passive, can think they are a 2 or a sexual subtype. Most doubting 6.
This will often explain why non 6s that are not self-preserving wonder why they run high anxiety. For example, the 9 or 4 with the 469 tritype has the 3 types that feel doubt. Doubt breeds insecurity which increases anxiety. The gift of this tritype is the ability to search for meaning. What begins as doubt ultimates brings a great deal of knowledge that can lead to greater understanding.
946: Intuitive and inquisitive 9. Most inclined to hesitate and feel doubt and uncertainty. Most gentle, passive 9. High anxiety.
When the 4 and 6 are in the tritype there is more negativity as a strategy to prevent making a mistake that will bring shame, blame and criticism. This is most true of the 461 and then 468 and then the 469.
649 The Seeker. Accepting and intuitive 6. This is the most emotional and accommodating 6. This 6 has the most self-doubt and uncertainty and often seeks multiple sources of confirmation before making a decision. This 6 is very sensitive, and can be mistaken for a 4 or 2.
The core fears are of fear itself, danger, being alone, cowardice, submitting, deviance, uncertainty, targeted, chaos, conflict, being loveless, complication, discord, being shutout, inharmonious, being inadequate, emotionally cut off, ordinary, commonplace, being abandoned.
Anxiety and worry increase with the 1 and doubt and uncertainty with the 9. Examine your motivations rather than your behaviors. This is especially difficult for the 6, but more so for the 649 as all 3 types tend to doubt as a defense strategy. This is the Tritype that is most reluctant to take a stand for their "own" opinion until they are angry. The 641 has all 3 types that fear making a mistake and being at risk for having done so. They tend to be more likely to show frustration and to correct and instruct others ( especially for the so 641).
your descriptions sound more like sp1 in the gut. As a sp6 you have a natural iine of connection to sp9. Research has shown that you move to your wings and lines of connection with the same dominant instinct running the show. When your sp6 moves to sp9 and sp3 it is momentary and adding to you sp6. When you shift in your tritype your sp6 shifts to the 1 for solutions and runs all permutations of the 1 driven by the needs and concerns of the self-pres. The confusion may be that sp1 worries much like a 6 but the focus is on improving. So your instinct may have made it more difficult to land on the 614. Take your time. The 694 is much more hidden and inhibited. The 641 is focused on the perfecting and refining...getting it right.
Both 4s and 6s can be emotional. The questions is what are you emotional about? In terms of difficult behaviors...
6s identify a source to prove
4s identify a source to impress
649 doubting, insecure
I'm 649 too...some days 469, and some 964
My mind automatically scans for rejection, conflict, and inclusion/exclusion, whenever I'm focusing on *me* (for example putting myself 'out there' with my music - which is my absolute heart and soul). Whenever my self and esteem and worth is on the line, whenever I've made a personal *effort* to engage or simply self-express to others, I'm basically a wreck.
However if attention is not on me, I'm fine...often one with nature, internalizing the world, being receptive and in touch with my inner self, entertaining myself with my mind, desires, fantasy...I can do that in my own privacy and on my own terms and I'm happy to not need others. But I'm too often pulled to find myself in the world (and show myself to it) to stay isolated for long. I can (and often do) get passive and can let a lot of years go by spinning on the same ungroundedness, not really pushing myself out there for fear of rejection and not being what I envision myself to be (wish to be). I have a lot of 'go along' energy that I fall back on when I need emotional and psychic rest.
I think my tritype is 469. It particularly plays itself out in the social realm via shame, feeling utterly different, feeling hunted when very insecure (with no real external evidence to back the feeling up) and then by succumbing to a desire to merge with the group by lying down and playing 'dead' like a puppy. The merging brings short-term relief until my need to express myself takes over. If I can't I feel sickened by my lack of authenticity, if I can I do which opens me up to feeling exposed and ashamed again so I withdraw to avoid feeling hunted.
The sx with 4 brings emotional intensity and a need for closeness with desired intimates...and, there is anger if intimacy is thwarted or denied. The 468 is impulsive and highly reactive... the focus is on immediate resolution. The 469 feels a great deal of doubt and in general is not as reactive. There is more of a tendency to hesitate, plan and prepare with more anxiety.
The 469 is more phobic than the 468.
The 649 ponders...thinks and rethinks. They are introspective like the 459...just more people oriented. Their shame is in making a mistake...they must get it right like the 461 but do not feel that they can easily say their opinion our loud due to a fear that they might make a mistake.
As 4 is dominant, in addition to seeing themselves as intuitive and deep with a need for beauty and aesthetics....The 479s see themselves as loving, innovative and gentle, the 468 as intense and iconoclastic and the 469 as thoughtful and introspective.
From: http://carvanc.tumblr.com/post/10724...469-the-seeker
Enneagram Tritype 469 - The Seeker
469 Seeker Archetype
If you are 469, you are intuitive, inquisitive and accepting. You want to be original, certain and peaceful. You are a very sensitive and can experience intense feelings of self-doubt and uncertainty. As a result you need multiple sources of confirmation. You want to be individualistic but can fear being separate from others.
Your life mission is to raise the questions pertaining to the mysteries of life and share your findings with others. A true seeker, you are happiest when you feel you can answer the question of who you are.
You can be so focused on your feelings, insecurities and doubts that you can feel paralyzed by the fear of making the wrong decision and of being misled or duped.
The 469 is a seeker with a lot of self doubt. There is always more to learn when you are this tritype but the desire is to develop a philosophy. the 6 and 4 have the most self doubt along with the 9. The 4 doubts their feelings, the 6 their thoughts. 6s want reassurance, 4s want praise to offset their natural tendency to be shame sensitive. The 4 leading is more concerned with the Who am I question and hopes to ‘someday’ have that answered through constant introspection and referencing their own feelings. I can only speak from my own lens and say that the 6 leading is less identity focused. Who Am I doesn’t enter the picture like the 4, and less reliance on needing to set themselves apart to resolve the philosophical dilemma.
…the 6 will stereotypically give 469 some sort of orientation around associations to ease anxiety…469 will have more of a push-pull reaction pattern with authority in staving off inner anxiety.
The 9 or 4 with the 469 tritype has the 3 types that feel doubt. Doubt breeds insecurity which increases anxiety. The gift of this tritype is the ability to search for meaning. What begins as doubt ultimates brings a great deal of knowledge that can lead to greater understanding.
The sx 469s want the security of that comes with a trusted relationship. Grief can feel overwhelming and many have shared feeling flooded. They also report that grief brings up fear.
Both the 469 and 269 tend to be passive. The 269 is more engraciating. The 469 is more aloof.
The 468 reacts and rings the alarm to prevent making a mistake to calm down and the 469 doubts and procrastinates to avoid making a mistake…. To calm down.
The 469 is very gentle unless threatened.They are very out of touch with their gut! The struggle is with doubt and inaction.
9s fear being in conflict. 479 vs 469. Look at the level of confidence and optimism. The 7 brings a light touch with magical thinking, hoping for the best. In contrast, the 6 brings support and loyalty. Both are highly intuitive but the 469 has more doubts - The 479 is more future oriented, focusing on the possibilities. The 469 is more dutiful with a heavier heart, fearing that they can’t make enough of a difference.
469s report a fear of making ten wrong decision and then having feelings of painful self consciousness and shame for having done so…. But also for not making a decision.
If 6 is dominant in the 469 tritype, there are more obvious fears and concerns. However, 946 and 469 are equally troubled by insecurities.
All 3 types have a little paralysis through analysis. And all 3 hate conflict.
The 469 is the most doubting tritype regardless which type is in charge. It is also the tritype that most struggles with a constant sense of self. They can also be somewhat passive. The only tritype more passive is the 269. The 269 is happier in presentation.
Regarding doubt for the 469: I think Katherine said that the 4 has self-doubt, the 6 doubts themselves and others and the 9 has the believer/doubter dichotomy.
the 649 (or 469 964) want peace harmony and gentleness. They are sensitive and doesn’t know what to trust and in particular doesn’t know what to trust in themselves. She stated that the 6 is more often than not phobic and needs multiple sources of confirmation and information. They don’t feel they can rebound from emotional pain so they tend to avoid it through the questioning process and end up finding more questions.
469 is going to have more difficulty being separate from others. More shame and anxiety about being different. There would be more checking in with others.
(4)-6-9 - The Normative 4
4-(6)-9 - The Withdrawn 6
4-6-(9) - The Reactive 9
This tritype has many self-confidence problems. They may often feel as though they need help from others, but that they are unable to get it. They fight between needing others and striving for seclusion.
6-4-9
Accepting and intuitive, most emotional and passive, can think they are a 2 or a sexual subtype. Most doubting 6.
This will often explain why non 6s that are not self-preserving wonder why they run high anxiety. For example, the 9 or 4 with the 469 tritype has the 3 types that feel doubt. Doubt breeds insecurity which increases anxiety. The gift of this tritype is the ability to search for meaning. What begins as doubt ultimates brings a great deal of knowledge that can lead to greater understanding.
From: http://istj-hedonist.tumblr.com/post...ne-of-the-most
469 The Seeker
The 469 is one of the most insecure tritypes. This type is known as the Seeker because it is the overarching theme of their lives. 4 seeks to find its most authentic expression within the person to quell feelings of shame, while 6 and 9 both seek reassurance from the world to calm fears and outrage. 469 must work constantly to not get caught up in these insecurities so much that they are paralyzed from acting on their authentic truths.
From: https://waysofwisdom.wordpress.com/2...ypes-with-a-4/
469
The Seeker
Interest:
– who am I? Search for meaning.
– peace and harmony
– security
Mission:
– raise questions pertaining to the mysteries of life and share your findings with others
Character:
– intuitive
– inquisitive
– accepting
– original
– certain
– peaceful
– sensitive
– individualistic
– doubtful
– aloof
– passive
– procrastinating
– gentle
– loyal
– dutiful
– avoidant
– paranoid
– not too confident
– emotional
– hesitant
– anxious
– accommodating
– private
– preparing
– thoughtful
Blind spot:
– so focused on feelings, insecurities and doubt -> feel paralyzed by fear of making the wrong decision, being misled or duped
Fears:
– being separate from others
– insecurity
– making the wrong decision
– conflict
And lastly: http://personalityprofilinghell.tumb...les-the-seeker
Tritype Profiles: The Seeker
Shared Trait: Triple Self-doubting
Fixes: 4, 6, 9 (in any order)
General Profile: This is one of the most vulnerable and soft-mannered tritypes. They often struggle with issues of identity and where they fit in. They are highly sensitive to the reactions and behavior of others which may make them difficult to get close to, but usually also makes them highly considerate of where others are coming from. They can have difficulty standing up for themselves without dramatic or passive aggressive behavior, though they are quick to support others in a gentle and loving way when those others are mistreated. They tend to have a whimsical and innocent air about them which belies a deep gravity inside of them - the weight of the never-ending search for truth. Many of these individuals have difficulty expressing themselves in a direct or pragmatic way, preferring to use imagery and abstract concepts. This tritype is over-represented among poets.
If Core 4: The most friendly 4. Due to the double Attachment fixations, they lack the aloofness of many 4s. They are still reserved, but are more responsive to others’ needs and less lost in their heads. They have more of a desire to share their inner life and to have it validated. They are still moody, but they have more of a sense of humor about themselves and their lives. Their creative work, while raw, is also welcoming.
Likeliest instinctual variant: so/sp
If Core 6: The most reserved 6. Their quirky behavior may mask their conscientiousness, but not their anxiety. They can be described as “squirrely.” They seek belonging as much as any other 6, but it may be in more unusual spaces and among more reserved people - groups of “misfits”, as it were. They may dismay that they desire more solidarity than their compatriots. Their convictions can be easily disrupted by disapproval from outside sources, triggering a moral crisis. They openly seek protection from such instances by aligning with like-minded, like-experienced groups. Likeliest instinctual variant: sp/so
If Core 9: The most emotional 9. They are less outwardly calm, but nonetheless make their desire for a secure and harmonious environment known. They often experience or express a disconnect between the self and the emotions, portraying them in more indirect ways - it is catharsis rather than the expression of something stable. Like Type 4, they use their imaginative faculties to form and maintain a sense of self. Like many 9s, they are spiritual, but they may find spiritual inspiration in unconventional and unexpected venues such as literature. Likeliest instinctual
variant: so/sx
Likely MBTI: INFP, ISFP, ISFJ, INFJ, INTP
Putting them in spoilers bc you can never know when a page might be deleted and I would like to keep the info on this subtype alive.
Also fun fact, last profile says so/sx as most likely variant for core 9 of this tritype and also counts INTP as a likely MBTI type (which is funny bc only high Ti/Te type in that system listed in that list), they all fit lmao I am /mostly/ sold on this being my tritype at this point welp
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Originally Posted by chips and underwear
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relation to it? I might be a Nine myself and have really hard time actually getting into a conflict knowingly, but when it comes to principles, people did say I get scary/really pissed off? I would say difference would be if there is a constant monitoring of self for if what you are doing is "wrong" or "right" and actually only caring when a line is crossed? That's my guess, at least. You are the one to figure it out for certain, if you still want to or if you haven't yet, after all.
