Oops was writing before I saw your post. I would have let it go. <3 I am not going to say anything else unless Bert has more to add.Originally Posted by lungs
Oops was writing before I saw your post. I would have let it go. <3 I am not going to say anything else unless Bert has more to add.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
If lungs is willing to set off a lunatic like bert on a moral rampage so that the first new post I see when opening up the forum is more of his screeching in a drama thread that should've been locked a long time ago, I'm only going to be more indifferent to the "crime" she's trying to highlight. Like, fuck, I don't care if Adam committed a murder. Nothing merits a shitshow like this thread.
Opening up the lid to the septic tank is a really bad way to draw the right kind of attention to a serious issue.
I don't think anybody actually believes that Bertrand is going after Adam due to some legitimate moral indignation. I mean this guy simply has not been shown to be a good judge of morality and moral character. He himself seems to be pretty amoral. Actually I have no idea why he is so obsessed with Adam, just as I have no idea why he used to be so obsessed with me. I guess it's his irrational hostility within himself that he needs to check, before getting into a forum full of people and creating tons of conflicts with everyone everywhere he goes. The problem is with Bertrand, and not the entire forum or even the entire world. How long it will take for him to "get" this, I don't know, but seems like this point needs to be pummelled into him.
In a way he kind of reminds me of Maritsa... where he's like a Godzilla sowing destruction everywhere he goes, acting as if he's the only moral arbiter of the forum and somehow thinking that he has the sole moral authority, and then when he's criticized for his obnoxious, immature and unreasonable behavior, he blames others and plays victim, although not as obvious and Christ-like as Maritsa, lol.
my advice is the same to you boys as it is to Adam, which is: live a lie at your own peril
and to the children: choose your father wisely
I set you off too didn't I? Damn I'm good. It's all me, baby.
This is rich coming from a guy who has made an entire forum career out of scapegoating people... Even lungs said that you were scapegoating at one point. First you scapegoat the "evil Betas", and now you scapegoat "evil Adam", because well, he's not scary and he doesn't fight back.
So, nice projection, Bertrand.
I guess this is some kind of poetic justice, where you are tasting your own medicine, where all your nasty behavior is coming right back at you. So yes, justice DOES prevail! It just happens to be that justice doesn't side with you, necessarily.
And now you come up with some more bullshit and excuses, like "we must fight the status quo!!". Are you by any chance a politician? Your sophism and bullshit is on the level of a particularly slimy politician who throw excuses after excuses whenever they're caught with their lies and bullshit...
not to mention certain posters who are all about exposing things seem to be conspicuously silent. I imagine the deal is many recognize it in principle as being possible, but object to exposing it or taking sides for other reasons, which I imagine revolve largely around Si valuing
I'm pretty sure what you imagine and how things actually are are two different things.
Yeah, she definitely doesn't care about some drama that you have created inside of your own head.people like chae actually probably have the balls to speak out but are silent precisely because they value Si too. they likewise see this to be fishy but at the same time their hands are tied because they value the status quo, its probably why they try to aim at global issues because they want to prevent things from ever getting to this state, because by this point its too late for them to help and theyre likewise bound to the mob
I thought we said goodbye? or is this for everyone else's benefit now?
Well, this was a predictable response. Bertrand went a little too hard on Adam Strange for people to listen. People, usually, decide to against the more obvious asshole, even if in many cases the subtle one is worse.
For the reasons mentioned, I don't take Adam seriously. His Vi has even contradicted itself on occasion. Literally wrong within itself. But he can confidently post things claiming people are certain types. I wish he would stop commenting on type altogether.
Adam, I think the saddest part about all this is that you can't reliably type an ESI. Most likely, you are going after people of different types, and your odds of ending up with an ESI are fairly low. It would be in your best interest to take a more student role, and defer from the typing process until you understand the theory and can apply it a little better.
What do you expect though, by and large the majority of forum-goers here are uneducated and uninterested in being educated.
Hey, feel free to PM me with any opinions about my type
naw its good to get people to double down on their position, so when the truth reveals itself they can't try to convince themselves they had any other position than the one they so thoroughly committed to
in the real world, a lion would eat you. if someone learns anything on the forums in whatever infinitesimal form of aggression plays itself out there, first, then that's a good thing. a lot of this decrying of aggression is because people know it to be shameful in that they lack the will to answer the call to action, so they attack it at its root as illegitimate, so as only to momentarily feel better. it is a creative Fe and Te thing in action from young people, who are scared, supported in part by overly caring mother figures, who are essentially smothering their children by encouraging this
this is 21st century psycho drama at its finest, people are all in whether they admit it or not
anyway, I know it wasn't for my benefit, but I really liked your post Slade
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i have a large penis
ya? my penis is larger.
Mine is the largest.
Lesson learned: If someone has a larger penis than you, it does not follow that you lack one.
I think people can decide for themselves what they think about Adam, without being told how they should feel about him. I don't think most of us are children around here. Anyway I hardly think that this is about Adam anymore.
And yeah, maybe Bertrand is such an obnoxious ass that it makes people want to retaliate and defend whatever he attacks. Saying "people are addicted to the status quo and are afraid of aggression!!" (lol) would be just missing the point (as if aggression in of itself was always somehow more "right", as if talking in a civilized way is somehow less legitimate or meaningful). I mean it's kind of amusing how much excuses like those that he can come up with, but ok. Had lungs or some other people brought it up, at least they would have more credibility than Bertrand. Bertrand is just making things worse I'm afraid.
Maybe, but this is kind of missing the point. I saw the initial post as frustration not necessarily about Adam, but of stereotypes, inaccuracies, and delusions held by the member base which interferes with quality posting. Adam just happens to be the poster child for this. Even if the content itself isn't packaged in a digestible way, I don't think it should be dismissed.
Hey, feel free to PM me with any opinions about my type
Slay the socionics dragon(or tame it), otherwise, it's a perpetual battle type based on ever shifting perspectives and opinions without a grounding in empirical reality; a battle for power.
Or just be skeptical of those who claim to know more than what is reasonable.
you're totally right, but bear in mind IEI practically exists to package things in as nice terms as possible, so if I could "get away" with this it would highly devalue their contribution (or at least this is the fear implicit in their aggression). so they take on the tone of a critic in response to me, which is fair, but you're right: to do so misses the point. sometimes you have to shit in the kool aid, which is why I exist and I have a right to that as well (by their own admission they are frequently frustrated with the state of things, what is that but a request?--perhaps unconscious, but one nonetheless, and the mode of packaging "things" [1] nicely, well it seems to have outlived its usefulness and created a monster). I think people read in more animosity on that front than really exists, for my part, other types are free to contribute their take on things, but they're going to get a frank response, how could it be otherwise?
people's frustration inasmuch as they're frustrated at all is with reality, we are all on the same side in that sense. what is creating tension is a desire to distance themselves from responsibility by denying the problem, but "putting it nicely" is precisely the problem not the solution, so the people who criticize me on those grounds fail to grasp what's really going on. if that was the solution I never would have started down this path. clearly I don't have a problem with being nice across the board, judging by my congenial manner in the past
[1] a less diplomatic word would be "untruths"
@Bertrand
Have you ever been in love?
i need an attorney
no no no, you answer me.
I bet he has a crush on Singu and they've been in cahoots this whole time
I would love to put a face to the name
he is awfully tsundere around me, same with 9 and alioth
probably that siren song of Se
comedy gold. Can just picture you dragging and dropping into the perfect position.
Its a simple question and it also happens to be a very Fi kinda question. Yes or no?
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Kind of sad watching Bertrand defend himself from accusations via socionics explanations.
What goes around comes around
Bertrand, in your case people hold a condescending, comical outlook toward the autistic thinking style you put fourth as reality... along with your lack of a discernable core personality this is why people respond to you the way they do. It's really not a specific thing you say, it's more like your existence ... there is something missing from it.
I can almost see it in your anteater photo.. there is an avoidant, anxious sexual energy to the anteater. It's like... tiptoeing around the pussy, afraid to fuck it... or something. Doing dances to appease the pussy but not just simply fucking it. I duno, hard to describe.
Last edited by purplehearts; 08-05-2017 at 02:12 AM.
every single person in this thread:
･ﾟ*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:･ﾟ
And those who don't see it?
You just forget they exist?
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
isnt that fi for you right there? LOL
What am I supposed to do? Argue into the ground with everybody about it? I would know better than they do what I consider unwelcome behavior towards me, lol. We're all still here, you'll go on with your life without convincing me my reactions are crazy and pointless.
Adam will go on with his life too since the people who know where I'm coming from already saw it before I said anything so there's no major shift in opinion anyway. Itll be fine. As for me, I'll probably keep distancing myself from this place as long as hes here, but thats no great loss as I don't have much interest in socionics anymore anyway. You'll still have your stories about chicks with nice legs and ESI sports car analogies.
not really, fi is about knowing how you feel about someone or something, either liking or disliking them, so knowing how you feel about an issue is Fi, but being rude is not
so being fi valuer doesn't excuse being an asshole to those who don't share your values, forgetting they exist, or simply being rude. personally I don't like the idea of using socionics as an excuse not to fix your problems.
I would say being an asshole/rude/self-centered is caused by lack of emotional intelligence & thinking only about what would you get by this action regardless of its impact on others & your relations with them
Oh that's really some good advice for a younger LIEFrom what I gather from what I have read and from my own personal experiences, ESI's want a deep emotional connection. They can sometimes jump into something blindly without having thought out the consequences, and then their inherent loyalty and faithfulness causes them to stick with a bad situation long after they should have ended it. I see it as my responsibility to not raise expectations beyond what I can fulfill.
This thread is actually interesting from a political point of view. Look at the mess created from nonsense.
It is interesting how many times on this forum, people interested in sociology and typology who have voluntarily participated in a sort of project to share experiences and information and have a better understanding, do the exact opposite. That tells something about Socionics and the majority of people it attracts, but there is really a scientific potential in it so it is a pity.
Adam I think the information you have now, and what you wrote aren't enough to judge anything but I can see the ESI LIE dynamics when I look from that lens, however I believe if she is the right one then things will fall in place, so why not ask her out for coffee or something? I know ESI LIE dualization happens in a very sensitive and delicate manner, just calling her for coffee may even end the possibilities but you'll know what to do in that situation. and as for being shorter I know ESIs who wouldn't care that much if the man is shorter so don't let Si painful get to you that much. Maybe go to gym, that boosts my confidence, if you really like her and see a future I mean.
Hey sorry what software did you use to make that?
Well said indeed
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