I just can't see his complaints as irrational or stemming from his personal psychological issues when the things he's taking umbrage with are the same things that are causing me to become annoyed with and disinterested in the forum.
I just can't see his complaints as irrational or stemming from his personal psychological issues when the things he's taking umbrage with are the same things that are causing me to become annoyed with and disinterested in the forum.
I mean sure, maybe your annoyances are legitimate. I really don't know what goes on between you and Adam because that's not really my business. But if you have a problem with that, then maybe you can take it to mu or something.Originally Posted by lungs
But I'm just seeing a pattern with Bertrand's behavior, it just seems like one hostility is moving on to another (from "those damned evil Betas!" to "that damned evil & lewd Adam!"). I really can't see Bertrand having some sort of an ethical high ground (he really doesn't seem to care about the effects and the damages that he's causing to others). It just seems hypocritical and it seems more like he has a personal beef against Adam more than anything.
yeah there's a definitely a pattern, gumshoe: its that you and Adam are fucking idiots
oh no some one week old baby thinks I'm being irrational
if you manage to last you're going to eat these words so hard, quoting for posterity
Oh how scary! you are going to make him eat his words because he said you're being irrational?! how sensitive can you get?
imo all people are irrational since most of their actions are based on their emotions/wants/desires/fears (feelings) rather than analyses of pros & cons (reason/logic)
so even if your anger is justifiable it is still an emotion so it is irrational
@Bertrand I get that Adam is not a saint, but he is not the devil. Also, you already called him out previously on his poor behavior. So most of the forum is aware of what he has done already. So I am not sure what you are trying to achieve here.
Get him banned, force him to leave the forum, make him admit he is wrong? At this point it is just diminishing returns. You're probably doing more harm to yourself than him at this point to be honest. I know you mean well so I hope you cut your losses, while you're still ahead.
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naw I won't make anything happen (wrt "eating words"), the bitch will be he will realize it all on his own I just want to point out I saw it coming
the goal is every time he posts something misleading and wrong about gamma to point it out and show that not everyone believes that, until it either stops or the forums take a stand on the issue. which is either ban me or push him out of gamma
Shut the fuck up, Bertrand, and grow the fuck up you nutjob. Whatever happened to the responsibility that you were supposed to take? Do you EVER take any responsibility for all the vitriol that you spew on here? I remember you once accusing me that I can't have "real feelings" or whatever because I was "Fe-valuing", and you have accused me of all the supposed evils because you didn't get along with your then-IEI mom or whatever. Of course, I didn't give a shit about that because I only wrote you off as a random nutjob. This was way before I have done or said anything to you, in fact I was even being extremely nice and patient with you, and what did I get? Your insane prejudice and hatred toward me only because you have serious issues, you fucking nutjob. You have been stalking me and following me around for months.
I kind of see that you're now doing the same thing to people like Adam.
So shut the fuck up, Bertrand, and stop trying to make it into a joke or something, and grow the fuck up for once, you 32 year old freak.
I see you think you've found an opening, you disgusting little social weasel. Well... toodles
Just shut the fuck and stop taking Socionics so seriously already, rofl. Honestly it's one thing to believe in Socionics, it's another to limit the behavior of others just because they don't fit the image of your "own" quadra (which you don't even "own", quite frankly).
This whole thing is just so entirely ridiculous that I don't even know where to begin. Typical 16types.info nuttiness I guess.
yeah lets all do what the guy who thinks socionics is worthless says
I like the goal but who gave you the authority to decide what is right and wrong about gamma? how can you prove that you are a gamma expert?
also if he thinks he is a gamma even if the entire forum said otherwise he may not change his mind and if he didn't then you failed in pushing him out of gamma (imo at least)
1. Adam did not see any of this coming but he should have.
2. Adam will not change based on anything Bert said. In fact he thinks Bert is an idiot now even if he doesn't say it.
3. Now people see what lungs has been saying all along because the cat is out of the bag. FTR, I saw what he was doing to her for months and it annoyed the fuck out of me how dismissive he was even when she made herself clear. I was at the point of wanting to self ban at times because I wanted to go after Adam myself and I knew I was just going to make myself look like a lunatic if I continued. He lacks awareness and I don't particularly like his sexually tinged comebacks when I have a serious issue with him. I mean there is a time and place for such comebacks but his never seem appropriate.
4. Adam will not be banned
5. Number 9 will not eat his words
6. More people will take what singu has to say about Bert into consideration. It will happen. What they do with that information is another matter.
7. Aylen will take care of the children, for a price. Going rate $150 per hour, plus expenses (a cook).
8. The children will be prepared once Bertrand's returns to civility toward those who had NOTHING to do with Adam being set in his archaic views of women and were clueless to what started this whole thing.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
let's be clear: this is a delta problem that gamma has been forced to bear the brunt of, and will now fix. what gives me the right is if socionics has any meaning at all then this needs to happen, it doesn't have to be me saying these things it could be anyone. shame on this whole place for not rising to the occasion sooner
singularity is just an idiotic child on the sidelines who thinks this is his opening for... something? who knows with te polr. by all means anyone is free to cast their lot in with him
How do you have a right to say shame on anyone since I didn't see you "rise up" and defend lungs or my grievances with him before. This is something new with you because you seemed to have had his back until you retyped LIE. I was fine being one of Lungs sole supporters but don't try to pretend you have some moral high ground now. Yeah most people saw him as harmless (for the most part) and still do. He is harmless but it is insulting to have your opinions or questions dismissed by innuendo.
Edit: I just wonder if he has the ability to make some women uncomfortable here, with words, how uncomfortable he might be making them irl and not even know it. He seems to be unable to read subtle signs and dismisses direct responses.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Aylen you are such a mess. I'm moving as fast as I can; I know this is beyond you, so I forgive you. But try to make things better not worse
if your theory is this is this is a battle for the soul of LIE, you're not wrong: it can be both
how many times have I made this about Lungs specifically? zero, I think. that is something everyone else keeps bringing up
@Adam Strange I really don't want to be in your shoes now
why not?4. Adam will not be banned
I think those who put children in your care are the worst criminals ever known to humanity7. Aylen will take care of the children, for a price. Going rate $150 per hour, plus expenses (a cook).
8. The children will be prepared once Bertrand's returns to civility toward those who had NOTHING to do with Adam being set in his archaic views of women and were clueless to what started this whole thing.
what kind of an argument is this?and you still say "te polr" to others? how do you define te polr anyway?
that's like an entire thread in of itself, but Te polr is when people do stuff that makes no sense in terms of logic of actions. no I dont expect anyone with low Te to understand thatwhat kind of an argument is this?
@Simo, why not?
Are you referring to our little internet troll? Lol. I have real world problems to worry about.
nothing to see here guys, just some trolls going after Adam for absolutely nothing, because yeah that makes way more sense than there being reasons for things
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From the bottom of my black, evil, heart I say to you, FUCK OFF BERT! Do I care if some unemployed loser on the internet, who claims to be some powerful LIE savior of gamma, calls me a mess? Not really.Like I told you before, the crusades are over, go get a job and stop living off your ESE mother. Then you can feel like a real man.
ps. this mess owns a home and a car that's paid for. I also have money in the bank. I am more gamma than you are.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
What's the problem with Adam? Sure he has a lot of stupid opinions and says them out loud, gamma is a democratic quadra after all...
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
so if your argument doesn't make sense in terms of logic would that make you Ti polr?
lol the Ni polr is so real right nowliving off your ESE mother.
i should tell you how I got a full ride + 10k/year scholarship to law school but thats a story for another time (not to mention the GI Bill in my back pocket)
yeah democracy is you can say your stupid opinions and then be criticized for them, which is wonderful, and what we're in the midst of
yeah clearly a Ti polr right here
seriously man what have you done to be so hated?
You need to listen more and not read into every little move or comment from a woman to mean she might want the d. If you are interested in someone ask them out. If they say no be done with it. Also stop being dismissive of women in that, "oh aren't you cute but you don't really mean it" way. LISTEN. Simple.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Ignored people who are screaming for attention? I dunno. Maybe you can figure it out. All my posts are public.
yeah and many people are also saying that also YOUR opinions are way overboard if you haven't noticed?
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I know its beautiful!
You are asking too much.
well I don't think ignoring @Bertrand would make others hate you, but I guess you really don't care about being hated so forget it
not interestedMaybe you can figure it out. All my posts are public.
Oh poor deluded Berty, you are poster child for how not to use socionics. How did I miss that you are unable to comprehend it so you make up your own version that revolves around your creative Fi and Ti polr. Saying I am Ni polr and Simo is Ti polr is just your defense mechanism jumping into action...jerky knees. You are making yourself look like a complete imbecile in the process.
Perhaps I misinterpreted my vision of you as pink with those white Ti squares. The symbolism is of you being Ti polr. Wow, my subconscious is good. Now I SEE it clearly. You are a SEE on a crusade. Congratulations, you are what you despise most, Donald Trump.
Simo you are a genius. lol
Introverted Ethics (Fi,)
SEEs are often highly in tune with their emotional responses towards other people, groups, or ideas, and often may be inclined to act on their emotional reactions with minimal restraint. They tend to wear their emotions on their sleeves, and leave little doubt in the minds of others as to the nature of their emotional reactions towards almost anything. Their wide range of emotional responses, though often turbulent, may carry extraordinary weight and meaning to them, and they often deeply value their friendships and connections. They often tend to seek to expand their network of associates, getting to better know and deeply connect with new acquaintances. They may naturally take action in a decisive, morally principled fashion, though such actions tend to extemporaneous; they tend to be compulsive and uncontrolled, and others may perceive them as well-intentioned but erratic and unconscientious.
SEEs may be quite faithful and allegiant to those they are close to; however, their relations and emotional reactions towards others may be volatile and lubricious. Though they often aspire to treat everyone with whom they interact in a convivial manner, they may exhibit strong (and often variable) dislike of certain individuals. They may maintain an internal network of certain individuals whom they regard as friends, and others who they regard as jerks or otherwise with some antagonism. They often have little conception of the history of their emotional reactions towards others; they may be inimical and perncious one day, while incognizant of the conflict on the next.
In any relationship, SEEs feel more comfortable if they perceive themselves, and are perceived by others, as the "leader" in the relationship, as long as the "leadership" is freely and gladly acknowledged by the other parties, rather than grudgingly accepted.
Introverted Intuition (Ni,)
SEEs often have rapid-fire and uncontrolled thinking processes. They are not naturally reflective or contemplative of what they experience, and may regularly fail to consider the consequences or implications of their actions. They may have difficulty concentrating on their mental trains of thought and tend to be inclined to make hasty and impassioned conclusions about the state of their affairs. They can exhibit a tendency to conceptualize their world in overly simplistic terms, without recognizing the degree of intricacy and complexity of the situations around them. In general, they welcome the perspectives of others who can reason with a slower thinking process and help them to carefully mentalize the world around them.
SEEs often lack caution and reserve. Their strategy towards solving problems may involve persuasion and brute force; their natural response to opposition or obstacle is to display further aggression or resistance, including in instances where such resistance is not necessarily appropriate. They may be distraught, tempestuous, and highly emotionally turbulent when their strategy fails. Because of their manic instability, they can exhibit accusatory or antagonistic tendencies towards others; some SEEs fall into a cycle of ruining their relationships or vocational prospects in this way.
SEEs are naturally attracted to individuals who seem knowledgeable and secure as to how events will develop from a given starting point, giving them a more strategic perspective to their own more instinctive tactical approach. They are inclined to make impulsive decisions, based on immediate and short-term considerations, which the SEEs nevertheless hopes will have a positive result in the context of their long-term goals. They expect assistance from others in that regard, and are disappointed if they do not receive it.
SEEs can be insecure about the negative consequences of their actions. They may tend to instinctively suppress and avoid thinking of the negative or painful aspects of their history that their recklessness may have caused. They may lack a calming or guiding influence in their lives, and sometimes attempt compulsively seek out individuals or environments that they feel can unshroud mysteries to resolve their internal chaos.If you truly want to further the understanding of socionics then show your work for typing me Ni polr and Simo Ti polr. I have talked to him one on one. He is far from Ti polr. lolIntroverted Logic (Ti,)
SEEs generally exhibit chaotic and uncontrolled lifestyles. They are motivated by their impulses and momentary feelings, and may have difficulty carrying themselves to fulfill day-to-day obligations and responsibilities. To the extent that their external obligations permit it, they tend to be habitually unstructured and vagarious. They do not engage in systematic decision-making and may instead base their behaviors on whimsical desires. They avoid restricting or regimenting their lifestyles based on rational or "common sense" behaviors and can resist attempts to bring order and stability to their lives.
They may have difficulty following externally imposed rules on their behavior, and may automatically resist being told what to do in matters pertaining to their lifestyle. They may have difficulty adapting their naturally impetuous lifestyle to some situations. Convincing them to change their ways is a gradual, tiresome and often thankless process, best accomplished by persons whose judgment they trust fully.
SEEs are often inclined to disregard what they see as petty rules and procedures, especially if those require a high investment of time and concentration in order to be understood and implemented, while blocking the SEEs from achieving their goals. If they are suddenly stopped in their tracks by external forces because of a previous disregard for such rules, they can lash out in frustration and impatience, while feeling helpless and angry at having been so sidetracked.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
did I type Simo ti polr?
also you're getting in your own way and being a huge ESE right now
duality is a myth after allI knew it
of course I amSimo you are a genius. lol
care to explain what makes her an ESE?
Aww, is someone's poor little feelings hurt right now? Your are thrashing about looking for a way to cover your own inability to reflect on your behavior and the future consequences of what you say now out of anger. Come on you can show my Ni polr, Mr Trump?
Your words are meaningless unless you can back them up. Those who know me and have actually seen me might get a laugh or two out of it.
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
case in point ^
nah its obvious, just keep an eye on her
I have known her for a while now and I agree on her self-typing as IEI, but since you see her as a huge ESE when she is actually a small IEI, I think you are wearing the wrong glasses
duality is a myth after all
of course I am
Duality seems like an end of life reward or the holy grail of socionics. I have been here long enough to see duals turn to conflictors. Each accusing the other of being a different type because it didn't work out. No one is going to like or agree with all their duals. My early relationships with mine got me into deep trouble. Fortunately they mature and things change. I have both good and bad experiences. I feel if you love someone, both put effort into a relationship, and respect each other then that is more important than any duality.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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