i can haz type nao?

[fairylights]

I know it's a lot to ask especially since you don't know anything about me ... but we can work on that.

Here is some information that may or may not be pertinent.

• I am shyer than my internet mannerisms would suggest.
• I find it very hard to assert myself.
• I try to be organized a lot but keep failing.
• I have refined procrastination to an art form. I am not proud of it.
• I don't like to worry about things but I can't really help it.
• I'm kinda spaced out.
• Loud people scare me. So do fights.
• I think the internet is discriminating against dogs. What's so special about cats? Dogs are every bit as great as cats.

I have some ideas as to what my type could be but I'll withhold them for the moment because I want to hear what you've got before it gets adulterated by my babble.

Thanks!

[Creepy-bg]

male or female?

[fairylights]

male or female?

I come with lady bits.

no type 4 u

Whatever, I don't care.

*lower lip quivers pathetically*

[Raver]

I know it's a lot to ask especially since you don't know anything about me ... but we can work on that.

Here is some information that may or may not be pertinent.

• I am shyer than my internet mannerisms would suggest.
• I find it very hard to assert myself.
• I try to be organized a lot but keep failing.
• I have refined procrastination to an art form. I am not proud of it.
• I don't like to worry about things but I can't really help it.
• I'm kinda spaced out.
• Loud people scare me. So do fights.
• I think the internet is discriminating against dogs. What's so special about cats? Dogs are every bit as great as cats.

I have some ideas as to what my type could be but I'll withhold them for the moment because I want to hear what you've got before it gets adulterated by my babble.

Thanks!

You seem to be devaluing to me and irrational, so probably an irrational Alpha or Delta. So that leaves SEI, SLI, IEE, ILE from what I know about you so far. Give some more information and I'll try to break it down further.

[Pa3s]

First impression is SEI, but more data is needed for an educated guess.

What's so special about cats? Dogs are every bit as great as cats.

[Creepy-bg]

I come with lady bits.

that's hot.

[fairylights]

You seem to be devaluing to me and irrational, so probably an irrational Alpha or Delta. So that leaves SEI, SLI, IEE, ILE from what I know about you so far. Give some more information and I'll try to break it down further.

I dislike those little symbols. I always have a hard time matching them up with concepts. I guess it's because I'm not very visually oriented despite being very susceptible to beauty. There's a particular feeling that hits me when I'm walking someplace and I suddenly see someone or something that's aesthetically compelling ... a sort of spontaneous welling of appreciation, if you will.

But I'm very unobservant as far as my surroundings are concerned. I was out at a bar last night with a friend and apparently he got into some sort of argument with a girl there and I was standing right next to him and I didn't even realize what was going on until he told me about it. Then I got upset because I find hostility unsettling.

I like to substantiate concepts with examples because it just seems like an easier way to understand and explain them, but then I start to worry about the problematics of anecdotal evidence. Archetypes are good at filling in that in-between ground between pure abstraction and concrete evidence because they're not stained by the mess of reality. But a good archetype is really hard to build and describe.

I am rambling now. Is there anything in particular that you'd like me to provide in terms of information?

[Raver]

I dislike those little symbols. I always have a hard time matching them up with concepts. I guess it's because I'm not very visually oriented despite being very susceptible to beauty. There's a particular feeling that hits me when I'm walking someplace and I suddenly see someone or something that's aesthetically compelling ... a sort of spontaneous welling of appreciation, if you will.

That little symbol is extraverted sensing. What you're talking about sounds like introverted sensing to me, but that may only indicate that you're introverted sensing valuing and not necessarily an introverted sensing ego.

But I'm very unobservant as far as my surroundings are concerned. I was out at a bar last night with a friend and apparently he got into some sort of argument with a girl there and I was standing right next to him and I didn't even realize what was going on until he told me about it. Then I got upset because I find hostility unsettling.

Well, this just seems like weak extraverted sensing to me and possible extraverted intuition or introversion.

I like to substantiate concepts with examples because it just seems like an easier way to understand and explain them, but then I start to worry about the problematics of anecdotal evidence. Archetypes are good at filling in that in-between ground between pure abstraction and concrete evidence because they're not stained by the mess of reality. But a good archetype is really hard to build and describe.

This doesn't seem to point to any function specifically, so I'll leave it up in the air.

I am rambling now. Is there anything in particular that you'd like me to provide in terms of information?

I guess you could answer these questions:

1. What kind of lifestyle do you have?
2. Do you enjoy debating and what kind of topics do you prefer to discuss?
3. How would you describe your overall behavior around others?

I can't think of any more decent questions at the moment, but you can add in your own.

[fairylights]

I guess you could answer these questions:

1. What kind of lifestyle do you have?
2. Do you enjoy debating and what kind of topics do you prefer to discuss?
3. How would you describe your overall behavior around others?

I can't think of any more decent questions at the moment, but you can add in your own.

Thank you. This is very helpful. I'll try to answer your questions as best as I can.

1. What kind of lifestyle do you have?
I need plenty of privacy and space to be comfortable but I also need some constant element of human contact at low levels, otherwise I get isolated and sad. I don't place much of an emphasis on having stuff. If anything, having too much stuff around makes me uncomfortable because I hate clutter but don't feel capable of dealing with it myself. I like to hang out with friends occasionally but in small, low-key settings. I'm very timid around large numbers of unfamiliar people and end up wall-flowering or clinging frantically to the one person I do know at bigger parties.

I moved away from home when I was fairly young because while I love my family, I value my independence very highly and it is difficult to preserve around people who are that talkative, curious, and meddlesome. I have a hard time asserting boundaries so I prefer not to put myself in situations where they will likely be disrespected on a regular basis.

2. Do you enjoy debating and what kind of topics do you prefer to discuss?
I don't ENJOY debating per se, but I'm okay with it so long as the tone of the conversation isn't overtly confrontational. Some kind of cut and thrust does often result in the generation of interesting ideas and novel perspectives and I like that but I can't stand arguments over insignificant details that really don't matter in the greater scheme of things, or debates that are laced with personal hostility.

Usually, I enjoy debates that focus on philosophy, particularly anything that has to do with epistemology. It's not just interesting; it's also a great way to build mental muscle. I usually dislike debates that have to do with religion and politics. I'm prepared to listen to other people's views if they want to share them and will vigorously support their right to hold the views they do but I have my opinions on these matters and I'm happy with them and I don't feel the need to defend them constantly. It is irritating when people expect me to do this or keep trying to convince me of perspectives that I've already visibly evaluated and decided I don't believe in.

In general, I like talking about people and psychology and relationships and literature and history and art as well. I prefer conversations that are focused on an exchange of ideas rather than on beating any particular point of view into the ground.

3. How would you describe your overall behavior around others?
Mild and placid with occasional sparks of animation and a slightly caustic edge every now and then. Warm, concerned, and supportive when my sympathies are engaged, distant and passive when they're not.

[DirectorAbbie]

I vote SEI.

[fairylights]

But my boyfriend is an ENTj!

*panics and freaks out*

[Saberstorm]

Do you socialize "on demand" - that is when it seems appropriate?

[fairylights]

Do you socialize "on demand" - that is when it seems appropriate?

No, I'm not great at the schmoozing thing. I pretty much just socialize when I want to. I feel awkward and unhappy when I'm dragged along to places I don't want to be at.

[717495]

So far you're associating with all the Deltas, so you can be EII for now.

But my boyfriend is an ENTj!

*panics and freaks out*

Or ESI. Who knows.

[DirectorAbbie]

EII was my second guess.

[fen]

Why do you think your boyfriend is ENTj? Also, I don't recommend basing your typing off of someone else's. You can have a good relationship with someone and not be duals.

[fairylights]

Why do you think your boyfriend is ENTj? Also, I don't recommend basing your typing off of someone else's. You can have a good relationship with someone and not be duals.

I don't think we're duals necessarily. I just hope we aren't predisposed to relations of conflict, haha.

[fen]

If things are going fine, why worry? Any relationship can work...I have a perfectly fine relationship with my father who is my conflictor. Just takes work.
But yeah, don't jeopardize your relationship with this stuff. It's just theory. Don't let what Socionics says about the dynamic between your types change your view of what you have.

[fairylights]

If things are going fine, why worry? Any relationship can work...I have a perfectly fine relationship with my father who is my conflictor. Just takes work.
But yeah, don't jeopardize your relationship with this stuff. It's just theory. Don't let what Socionics says about the dynamic between your types change your view of what you have.

Oh, I'm not about to jeopardize my relationship. We have a good thing going.

I do like to relate reality to theory though and I was wondering where in the socionics spectrum the two of us fit in. He's pretty sure about LIE, I think, and given the general trend of our interactions, it doesn't make much sense to me that we would be conflictors.

It would be cool to be an SEI though, they sound like fun.

[momental]

He may be an ILE.....

[fairylights]

He may be an ILE.....

LOL. After all the SEI verdicts, I did think about trying to convince him that he was an ENTp! Still, I disapprove of fiddling with the data, you are what you are, and if the system doesn't cover it, it's because systems have limitations.

... He may be an ILE though.

[momental]

LOL. After all the SEI verdicts, I did think about trying to convince him that he was an ENTp! Still, I disapprove of fiddling with the data, you are what you are, and if the system doesn't cover it, it's because systems have limitations.

... He may be an ILE though.

Hmmmmmmmmmm...

[fen]

ILE and LIE are very different. If he's ILE he'll be much like this: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...nk-I-am(video)

ILE (alpha) values: Ne, Si, Fe, Ti
LIE (gamma) values: Ni, Se, Fi, Te

Also Ep temperament vs Ej temperament.

I suggest not worrying too much about his type in relation to yours right now. It will probably convolute things more than help.

[momental]

hmmmmmmmmm

[fairylights]

ILE and LIE are very different. If he's ILE he'll be much like this: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...nk-I-am(video)

ILE (alpha) values: Ne, Si, Fe, Ti
LIE (gamma) values: Ni, Se, Fi, Te

Also Ep temperament vs Ej temperament.

Nope. I feel like the guy in the video is talking to fill up silence which is really not the case with my bf, even though he's pretty talkative and loud. He also fidgets less and is less animated in his facial expressions ... so LIE looks better.

[fen]

Yeah, Ben (my best friend and the guy in that video) does not like silence at all. He also thinks as he speaks so stumbles over words a lot.

I hope you figure out your type. I wish I could help more but I'm not really an expert and I don't want to steer you wrong.

[fairylights]

Yeah, Ben (my best friend and the guy in that video) does not like silence at all. He also thinks as he speaks so stumbles over words a lot.

I hope you figure out your type. I wish I could help more but I'm not really an expert and I don't want to steer you wrong.

Thanks! I appreciate your input. Anyway, I showed my boyfriend that video and he had a WTF expression on his face for about twenty seconds, then said "This is taking too long" and stopped paying attention. I guess he doesn't identify with it.

[Absurd]

Thanks! I appreciate your input. Anyway, I showed my boyfriend that video and he had a WTF expression on his face for about twenty seconds, then said "This is taking too long" and stopped paying attention. I guess he doesn't identify with it.

You know you can kill people by asking them to watch that vid. You can get electrocuted by his hair. There's like 50000 volts in there.

[fairylights]

You know you can kill people by asking them to watch that vid. You can get electrocuted by his hair. There's like 50000 volts in there.

He needs to get used to it seeing as people HAVE gotten electrocuted by my hair. It's 'cause it's full of secrets.

[Absurd]

He needs to get used to it seeing as people HAVE gotten electrocuted by my hair. It's 'cause it's full of secrets.

[fairylights]

I don't go around petrifying people! =(

[fairylights]

Well, I did a little reading and I really don't see myself as Te PoLR. Se PoLR makes far more sense. I'm also positive I'm an ethical type, so EII it is.

People here have told me I come across as irrational though ... could someone please explain what exactly that entails? I won't rule out IEE until I've decided whether I'm rational or irrational.

[Saberstorm]

Rational types make decisions based upon their conviction that something is true or must be done, regardless of the circumstances. They are like a motor boat. They can go upstream.
An irrational makes decisions based on their impression that events have formed a pattern that they understand, and that they are a part of that pattern. They are like a sailboat.

[fairylights]

Rational types make decisions based upon their conviction that something is true or must be done, regardless of the circumstances. They are like a motor boat. They can go upstream.
An irrational makes decisions based on their impression that events have formed a pattern that they understand, and that they are a part of that pattern. They are like a sailboat.

Thanks. This is a really good explanation. Based on this, I think I'm more rational than irrational. I like examining patterns but environmental and circumstantial factors play a secondary role in my decision-making a little more often than not.

[Saberstorm]

I would like to add that "Rationality in socionics is a perceptual quality defined by a focus on actions and emotions. In contrast, Irrationality means a focus on states of mind and body."
Quoted from Wikisocion.

[fairylights]

I would like to add that "Rationality in socionics is a perceptual quality defined by a focus on actions and emotions. In contrast, Irrationality means a focus on states of mind and body."
Quoted from Wikisocion.

How do you separate state of mind from emotion? Words like happy, glum, anxious, pensive, etc. seem to apply equally to both and clearly, the two are very closely linked.

I'm not very attuned to bodily sensations (although I'm getting better at it) but state of mind is a bigger preoccupation, I guess. On the other hand, so are emotions and I'm very focused on actions as well, in the sense that I know I've got to do them even if I can't actually muster up the strength and initiative to start immediately. This is typically a big source of anxiety for me.

[EyeSeeCold]

I would like to add that "Rationality in socionics is a perceptual quality defined by a focus on actions and emotions. In contrast, Irrationality means a focus on states of mind and body."
Quoted from Wikisocion.

It's a little too succinct but what it implies is what I agree with. Rationals have unstable perceptions of the spirit(N) and body(S), while Irrationals have unstable perceptions of mind(T) and emotions(F).

[fairylights]

It's a little too succinct but what it implies is what I agree with. Rationals have unstable perceptions of the spirit(N) and body(S), while Irrationals have unstable perceptions of mind(T) and emotions(F).

Unstable in what sense?

[EyeSeeCold]

Unstable in what sense?

Unstable in that such processes are subjected to the unconscious and therefore manifest themselves primitively and without a high degree of management or understanding.

Highly suggestible and susceptible to influence.

[fairylights]

Unstable in that such processes are subjected to the unconscious and therefore manifest themselves primitively and without a high degree of management or understanding.

Highly suggestible and susceptible to influence.

Hmm. Well, in that case, I think it's easier to control what I think and what I do than to monitor what I take in and what emotions it triggers in me. I enjoy the creativity and playfulness of intuition and I love how it makes me feel but I can't just turn it on like a tap.