Guess the amount of welfare money in holland

[Jarno]

Oke here's a question:

How much money does a mother with one child get from the state for free, when she doesn't work.

Oh and guess the total that nett income she has, with all extra's from the state, like free house rent money etc.

Guess!

[xerx]

anywhere between 0 and infinite euros.

so far i'm the closest.

[Jarno]

anywhere between 0 and infinite euros.

so far i'm the closest.

you may only guess one single number.

so that would disqualify you.

but why not guess again '-)

[Not A Communist Shill]

Eleventy florijns.

[xerx]

you may only guess one single number.

so that would disqualify you.

but why not guess again '-)

ok. 13.75 euros.

[marooned]

I don't know the currency or the value of the euro or whatever... I would imagine quite a lot though, enough to live comfortably and then some.

I don't think it's all terrible I guess... I remember that when I took a Womens Studies class one of the things mentioned was that in society "productive labor" is highly valued where as "reproductive labor" (i.e. raising children) is sort of pushed aside as economically unimportant even though both of these impact the economy in the long run. And I could see their point, and I couldn't really argue that the make up of society (U.S. society in this case) says volumes about "what we value"...

[Park]

ok. 13.75 euros.

I can safely bet it's much more than that.

My guess is that it isn't below €150.

[Park]

I don't know the currency or the value of the euro or whatever...

100 EUR ~ 147 USD

[Trevor]

My guess is €2000 per month.

[implied]

everything jarno says makes me think he has issues w/ women.

[xerx]

everything jarno says makes me think he has issues w/ women.

Pretty sure that most men on a psychology board have some issue with women.

[implied]

Pretty sure that most men on a psychology board have some issue with women.

no, i mean, issues issues.

[Jimbean]

That's because he is gay.

[xerx]

This is only marginally related to this thread, but I just found out that an acquaintance of mine is serving jail time in a Turkish prison for trafficking hookers and narcotics possession.

[Not A Communist Shill]

[FDG]

My guess is €2000 per month.

Yeah, that's also what I'd guess.

[marooned]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/ma...ewanted=5&_r=1

This article was interesting to read.

[xerx]

no, i mean, issues issues.

Anyway, a misogynist is merely a man who hates women as much as women hate one another.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Jarno]

Oke here is the answer, but first... I don't have issues with women (at least most of them hehe)

But I do have issues in the way the government gives away my money.

The amount is for ONE MONTH and the currency is EURO (1,45 dollar):

Welfare: 1010
Rent money: 227
Tax discount: 106
Medical extra: 123
Child budget: 125 (2 childs)
Childs extra: 222
Welfare extra: 37 (not the first year)

*** Total of 1.850,- Euros (2.682,50 Dollars) ***

PLEASE COME TO HOLLAND EVERYONE, YOU GET RICH DOING NOTHING.
WATCH OUT THAT YOU DON'T GET A JOB, SINCE YOU WILL BE EARNING LESS THEN...

[Gilly]

everything jarno says makes me think he has issues w/ women.

You say that about every male who says anything that can possibly be interpreted as negative about women as a whole.

[xerx]

Oke here is the answer, but first... I don't have issues with women (at least most of them hehe)

But I do have issues in the way the government gives away my money.

The amount is for ONE MONTH and the currency is EURO (1,45 dollar):

Welfare: 1010
Rent money: 227
Tax discount: 106
Medical extra: 123
Child budget: 125 (2 childs)
Childs extra: 222
Welfare extra: 37 (not the first year)

*** Total of 1.850,- Euros (2.682,50 Dollars) ***

PLEASE COME TO HOLLAND EVERYONE, YOU GET RICH DOING NOTHING.
WATCH OUT THAT YOU DON'T GET A JOB, SINCE YOU WILL BE EARNING LESS THEN...

So if we disregard SubT "eleventy florijns" comment, then I was closest without going over

[Kritik]

*** Total of 1.850,- Euros (2.682,50 Dollars) ***

Too bad a sex change operation only gives you a vagina but not the ability to have children.

[implied]

You say that about every male who says anything that can possibly be interpreted as negative about women as a whole.

he's said way more than enough for me to form that opinion & feel confident in it hah. anyhow i feel like you're taking this personally & i've said nothing about you having issues w/ women.

[crazedrat]

everything jarno says makes me think he has issues w/ women.

there's nothing wrong with having issues with women. they're terrible workers, they don't listen, they're indulgent, they dislike responsibility, they play the victim, they're vain, they're manipulative, they're fake, they talk too much...

@ the original question.. I read your later post on how much they make. But what does it take to qualify for welfare? And do all people on welfare get that amount?

[Kim]

It sounds gross to me, like living in an ant colony.

I don't think that there is any more conformity in the Netherlands than here and I also don't think the Dutch are averse to change. After all, they have some of the most progressive attitudes towards issues such as prostitution, drugs, and gay marriage in the world, so this whole "they like things the old way" argument in that piece just does not hold up.

There are many many regions/places in the US that with a higher degree of conformity than rural Netherlands and Dutch cities are anything but ant colonies.

[mu4]

How about the cost of a prison inmate.

The Average Cost to House Inmates in Prison | eHow.com

Oh yea, how much does one soldier in Iraq cost....

$350,000 a year

Anyways, in the States it's a whole different animal.

Individually Medicare/Social Security/National Debt Interest/Defense accounts for a large portion of spending then all the means-based support programs combined.

If all the means based programs were eliminated in the US, it's still likely to run a deficit and crime will increase and jail populations will correspondingly increase... resulting in self-defeating policy.

Anyways $30,000 in a first world nation to raise a child is a pretty good life compared to 2nd world or 3rd world environments, but it is non-competitive against higher compensated 1st world dual income families.

[Jarno]

there's nothing wrong with having issues with women. they're terrible workers, they don't listen, they're indulgent, they dislike responsibility, they play the victim, they're vain, they're manipulative, they're fake, they talk too much...

@ the original question.. I read your later post on how much they make. But what does it take to qualify for welfare? And do all people on welfare get that amount?

Since approx half a year ago people get a little pressure to sollicitate for a job but before that you were free to choose welfare.

I choose women with children as an example because those are the ones getting really big payed. If you are only single and you want to get welfare, you would get approx 1100 euro's that's about 1600 dollars. But if you don't have a child you are obliged to (fake) sollicitate once a month or something like that.

In the old days a lot of foreigners came to our country to get free money. I'm really pissed off about that, since I've worked 40 hours for just a couple of euros more...

[DirectorAbbie]

3.14159265358979 or some multiple thereof.

[Creepy-bg]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/ma...ewanted=5&_r=1

This article was interesting to read.

I think it sounds lovely. I'd be very happy there.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Kim]

I think you miss why I say that. Colonies can have many specialized workers, each performing a specific job, but each still works for the collective whole. That's why I say it sounds like living in an ant colony. There are no lone ants, doing their own thing, eating their own food.

I think the article distorts reality. I honestly can't see that Dutch society is living in an ant colony any more than here. I don't see how the Netherlands allow for less individual freedom than the U.S.

[Kim]

For example:

xpat, Buford Alexander, former director of McKinsey & Company in the Netherlands, for his thoughts on this. “If you tell a Dutch person you’re going to raise his taxes by 500 euros and that it will go to help the poor, he’ll say O.K.,” he said. “But if you say he’s going to get a 500-euro tax cut, with the idea that he will give it to the poor, he won’t do it. The Dutch don’t do such things on their own.They believe they should be handled by the system. To an American, that’s a lack of individual initiative

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The Dutch prefer raising the taxes because it is THE ONLY way to help the poor. That is not being a drone in an ant colony, but a concern for the poor. Americans would not give to the poor after a tax cut and neither would the Dutch. The only difference is that Dutch society is less opposed to having a social net and really, I know plenty of Americans who would agree with them and would not oppose raising taxes if it benefits society in some ways.

Anyway, I just think the article greatly exaggerates.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[marooned]

It sounds gross to me, like living in an ant colony.

Am I supposed to respond to this? I posted that article because I googled the subject when Jarno was "taking too long to respond." I thought the article seemed to be a fairly good source of information as far as I can tell. It does cover the shitty aspects of the system, particularly on page 5. I don't have any strong reactions to it. I can see the good and the bad and the why. I probably wouldn't be able to deal with people coming in my home to tell me how to care for my child, not necessarily because it wouldn't be informative but because it's so invasive - my home would probably start feeling like a prison. And having money dropped in my account for everything from the government might make me feel like a slave. On the other hand, I do agree about the way work time and off time/vacation time are balanced. I think that 40 hours a week and 12 vacation days a year really is less productive and burns people out. I know it's burning me out.

[FDG]

Their school system certainly allows for less freedom than most states. I have a friend living there, and everyone has to have their kids in kindergarten at the age of 4. I was joking with her saying, "Ah, just keep them home, nobody will notice," and she says to me, "Diana, fat chance! They have birth records on file at city hall and it's a big fine if your kid doesn't start school when they are supposed to." SOME states are crappy like that here too, but thankfully a lot aren't. There's enough variance from state to state still, that you can't broadbrush the entire US based on a few states.

She's lived there for 8 years now (married a Dutch guy) and really loves it there, but from everything she's said, there's no way it'd suit me.

PS. Here's an interesting report regarding measures of liberty on a variety of issues in the 50 states, and a website based on that report where putting in your own measures, you can see which ones match your own personal criteria.
http://www.mercatus.org/uploadedFile...0%20States.pdf
http://freedom.robocourt.com/

Wow, way to shoot down something in a superficial way without knowing shit about it.

[Khola aka Bee]

Shit, I better hurry to Holland and find some guy to knock me up. I've been wasting my life this whole time

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Creepy-Diana]

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[Gilly]

he's said way more than enough for me to form that opinion & feel confident in it hah. anyhow i feel like you're taking this personally & i've said nothing about you having issues w/ women.

I'm not taking it personally; just a trend I've noticed with you.