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    How does homosexuality affect intertype relationships and individual intratype dynamics?

    Discuss.

    P.S. This idea came from @Aki talking about type and gender in relation to society, i.e. if certain gender-type combinations are more socially acceptable. I think.

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    I was thinking about homosexuality and type recently too. There is a barista at a cafe I go to she's my dual, attracted to me and attractive and a single mum and I feel really great around her, but I'm not gay. And sometimes i think it would be easier for me to be with a woman sli because at least they would understand one side of me, a lot in fact if they have been a mum, to bridge a bit of that gap and also to make them possibly less sex/comfort obsessed, I know these are huge generlisations but it is extremely hard to find an SX first SLI who is not obsessed with sex, and also who has some kind of emotional intelligence and who is generally a responsible grown up. So I was thinking how it could happen for someone to turn gay for their dual. that is, my sister's friend says she was not gay until she met her partner, so reflecting on that I thought it's quite possible her partner was her dual. So I wonder if that happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guillaine View Post
    I was thinking about homosexuality and type recently too. There is a barista at a cafe I go to she's my dual, attracted to me and attractive and a single mum and I feel really great around her, but I'm not gay. And sometimes i think it would be easier for me to be with a woman sli because at least they would understand one side of me, a lot in fact if they have been a mum, to bridge a bit of that gap and also to make them possibly less sex/comfort obsessed, I know these are huge generlisations but it is extremely hard to find an SX first SLI who is not obsessed with sex, and also who has some kind of emotional intelligence and who is generally a responsible grown up. So I was thinking how it could happen for someone to turn gay for their dual. that is, my sister's friend says she was not gay until she met her partner, so reflecting on that I thought it's quite possible her partner was her dual. So I wonder if that happens.
    It's interesting to think about stuff like that. I sometimes wonder if they were gay all along but didn't want to admit it until faced with an option they couldn't give up without feeling a lot of pain. There was one story about a masculine jock type who had a stroke and suddenly turned into a feminine hairdresser or something. And I wonder if it's the physiological brain change that happened, or if they really felt that way inside all along but needed a push before they felt okay being themselves. I can't read minds, so I don't really know which is which. Maybe duality grants courage?

    In my experience, Socionics type has an effect on ones physiological and psychological gender. That might contribute to how people adopt different sexual roles and identities. I've known some gay LIEs, and they all tend to be pretty stereotypically masculine, both physiologically and psychologically (although there is a bit of a shift in male homosexuals regardless in my experience).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guillaine View Post
    I was thinking about homosexuality and type recently too. There is a barista at a cafe I go to she's my dual, attracted to me and attractive and a single mum and I feel really great around her, but I'm not gay. And sometimes i think it would be easier for me to be with a woman sli because at least they would understand one side of me, a lot in fact if they have been a mum, to bridge a bit of that gap and also to make them possibly less sex/comfort obsessed, I know these are huge generlisations but it is extremely hard to find an SX first SLI who is not obsessed with sex, and also who has some kind of emotional intelligence and who is generally a responsible grown up. So I was thinking how it could happen for someone to turn gay for their dual. that is, my sister's friend says she was not gay until she met her partner, so reflecting on that I thought it's quite possible her partner was her dual. So I wonder if that happens.
    I know I'm going to get flack for saying this, but I believe that male sexual preferences are baked in at birth, but females are almost all bi. The reason that most of them choose to live with men, rather than with women, is social pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I know I'm going to get flack for saying this, but I believe that male sexual preferences are baked in at birth, but females are almost all bi. The reason that most of them choose to live with men, rather than with women, is social pressure.
    I actually somewhat agree and have a theory on this. I've noticed more women than men are bisexual or bicurious or at least willing to admit to having the odd girl crush even if they don't act on it- if you're willing to sit through a gender roles rambling:

    I watched a film called Call Me By Your Name a little while ago with a straight male friend of mine and I was really blown away by how beautiful it was and how the camera scanned the male body in a way that showed it off as a beautiful object. Men's bodies in films are usually either neutral or powerful, I think, and people who are interested in the male body rarely get treated to it like you do in that film. You can get a feel for it w/ the trailer. Straight male friend said he liked the movie but was really put off by / really uninterested in looking at the male body for 2 hours. To me, this was weird because the female body is usually always displayed this way, even when aimed at straight women, so the thought of being uncomfortable seeing your own gender displayed erotically was really foreign. I think since women are always pictured as sexual and beautiful, everyone (including straight women) are trained to see them that way and thus bisexuality doesn't seem that much of a stretch. Hence, more bisexual or bicurious women. Men rarely see other men like that (unless you know you're gay and go looking for it) so they never get shown how the male body can be beautiful, and thus never have their mind wander in that direction to become (bi)curious about it. That's my theory anyway

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    To get back on topic - I actually don't think it would change much. I think there's a general assumption that T is masculine and F is feminine. Te and Se are the most masculine, meaning Alpha SF and Delta NF are the most effeminate types and Beta ST and Gamma NT the most masculine. Probably if you did a survey of those types the actual gender of those types would match the stereotypes (as in, there's probably more male LIEs than female and more female SEIs than male). But since that's a trend and not a rule then being homosexual shouldn't actually change the dynamic anymore than a switch in gender roles. What I actually quite like about socionics is it doesn't matter if you are a male EII and therefore not 'masculine' because out there is a female LSE possibly wondering if she is not feminine enough, whereas you're both perfect for each other. The more the EII tries to turn himself into the uber masculine SLE / LIE, the further he gets from his dual so he can just be himself. Thus since T isn't necessarily male and F isn't necessarily female, there's also no reason why they can't both be the same gender.

    The only way I'd see it changing is possibly people trying to compensate for their perceived lack of conformity by downplaying their non-conforming IEs. So if a LSE woman feels the pressure to be 'nice' or expressive or whatever she might learn to emphasise her Fe role more than a male LSE and thus not be as clear a LSE for her dual. But this would be the case whether or not the EII is male or female. I guess the only difference in a gay relationship is at least one party is going to be gender non-conforming (iff you accept the premise that F is feminine and T is masculine) so it might be more prominent an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I know I'm going to get flack for saying this, but I believe that male sexual preferences are baked in at birth, but females are almost all bi. The reason that most of them choose to live with men, rather than with women, is social pressure.
    Mmm. I kind of considered it for a little while, about a day. I had never considered it that long before to be honest. I live in one of the most queer friendly suburbs of my country, there are several mum couples in my son's childcare group, so the social pressure, well it's a minority, but it's not as strong, it's cool to be gay around here. But never mind that, I really considered it but in the end I decided I couldn't deprive myself of masculine energy, would not be satisfied in my soul with a woman. I don't know if that means I have bi tendencies. I think because of the whole needing more Se with my son and also having to be both father and mother to him has made me see the world from a less patriarchal standpoint to what I did before and I notice I get looks from women occasionally which I never noticed because I perhaps give off an independent from that system vibe. But I looooove men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrrrmaid View Post
    I actually somewhat agree and have a theory on this. I've noticed more women than men are bisexual or bicurious or at least willing to admit to having the odd girl crush even if they don't act on it- if you're willing to sit through a gender roles rambling:

    I watched a film called Call Me By Your Name a little while ago with a straight male friend of mine and I was really blown away by how beautiful it was and how the camera scanned the male body in a way that showed it off as a beautiful object. Men's bodies in films are usually either neutral or powerful, I think, and people who are interested in the male body rarely get treated to it like you do in that film. You can get a feel for it w/ the trailer. Straight male friend said he liked the movie but was really put off by / really uninterested in looking at the male body for 2 hours. To me, this was weird because the female body is usually always displayed this way, even when aimed at straight women, so the thought of being uncomfortable seeing your own gender displayed erotically was really foreign. I think since women are always pictured as sexual and beautiful, everyone (including straight women) are trained to see them that way and thus bisexuality doesn't seem that much of a stretch. Hence, more bisexual or bicurious women. Men rarely see other men like that (unless you know you're gay and go looking for it) so they never get shown how the male body can be beautiful, and thus never have their mind wander in that direction to become (bi)curious about it. That's my theory anyway

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    To get back on topic - I actually don't think it would change much. I think there's a general assumption that T is masculine and F is feminine. Te and Se are the most masculine, meaning Alpha SF and Delta NF are the most effeminate types and Beta ST and Gamma NT the most masculine. Probably if you did a survey of those types the actual gender of those types would match the stereotypes (as in, there's probably more male LIEs than female and more female SEIs than male). But since that's a trend and not a rule then being homosexual shouldn't actually change the dynamic anymore than a switch in gender roles. What I actually quite like about socionics is it doesn't matter if you are a male EII and therefore not 'masculine' because out there is a female LSE possibly wondering if she is not feminine enough, whereas you're both perfect for each other. The more the EII tries to turn himself into the uber masculine SLE / LIE, the further he gets from his dual so he can just be himself. Thus since T isn't necessarily male and F isn't necessarily female, there's also no reason why they can't both be the same gender.

    The only way I'd see it changing is possibly people trying to compensate for their perceived lack of conformity by downplaying their non-conforming IEs. So if a LSE woman feels the pressure to be 'nice' or expressive or whatever she might learn to emphasise her Fe role more than a male LSE and thus not be as clear a LSE for her dual. But this would be the case whether or not the EII is male or female. I guess the only difference in a gay relationship is at least one party is going to be gender non-conforming (iff you accept the premise that F is feminine and T is masculine) so it might be more prominent an issue.

    So interestingwhat youwrote.I am actually one person who is uncomfortable with the femalebody being eroticised on screen. I can't stand it, I hate being forced to look at the world from a het male point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    but females are almost all bi.
    Personality and Social Psychology published research in which most if not all of the female participants who identified as straight became aroused by lesbian porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Moderator View Post
    Personality and Social Psychology published research in which most if not all of the female participants who identified as straight became aroused by lesbian porn.

    Whereas most guys who self-identify as straight are revolted by watching gay male porn.

    In any case, assuming that my assertion is true and that most (but not all) women choose male lovers for reasons of social conformity, what could cause a woman to go against the very powerful forces of social opinion?

    Personally, I believe that the most common reason is that they were exposed to an extremely toxic male at some point growing up. So toxic, that choosing the life of a social outcast is preferable to the possibility of being exposed to another toxic male.

    Would these women have a deep seated hatred of men (as opposed to simply not choosing them as partners)?

    Probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Whereas most guys who watch gay male porn are revolted.

    In any case, assuming that my assertion is true and that most (but not all) women choose male lovers for reasons of social conformity, what could cause a woman to go against the very powerful forces of social opinion?

    Personally, I believe that the most common reason is that they were exposed to an extremely toxic male at some point growing up. So toxic, that choosing the life of a social outcast is preferable to the possibility of being exposed to another toxic male.

    Would these women have a deep seated hatred of men (as opposed to simply not choosing them as partners)?

    Probably.
    I was told women are aroused by women because women are shown as arousing. They aren't bi, it's just that the female body is highly sexualised.
    Women are not closed about seeing female bodies as sexual. It's like what everyone is taught anyway.

    It does happen that straight women choose to date women because they are sick of men yet that is very rare, and stems more from disapointment than hatred from what I read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Whereas most guys who watch gay porn are revolted.

    In any case, assuming that my assertion is true and that most (but not all) women choose male lovers for reasons of social conformity, what could cause a woman to go against the very powerful forces of social opinion?

    Personally, I believe that the most common reason is that they were exposed to an extremely toxic male at some point growing up. So toxic, that choosing the life of a social outcast is preferable to the possibility of being exposed to another toxic male.

    Would these women have a deep seated hatred of men (as opposed to simply not choosing them as partners)?

    Probably.
    Your argument is cogent, and since it has some scientific basis, it probably holds true for some women.

    While it may be a tempting explanation for lesbianism in general, other research indicates that lesbians simply do not respond to male pheromones, responding exclusively to female pheromones. This suggests that the olfactory functions between "straight" women and lesbians differ structurally. Another structural difference between "straight" and lesbian women concerns the amygdala; the lesbian amygdala feeds its signals to the sensorimotor cortex and the striatum, much like the male brain and unlike the "straight" female brain.

    So, the likely conclusion I draw from this is that some women are essentially lesbian at birth and others lean in that direction under certain circumstances like the ones you mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrrrmaid View Post
    I actually somewhat agree and have a theory on this. I've noticed more women than men are bisexual or bicurious or at least willing to admit to having the odd girl crush even if they don't act on it- if you're willing to sit through a gender roles rambling:

    I watched a film called Call Me By Your Name a little while ago with a straight male friend of mine and I was really blown away by how beautiful it was and how the camera scanned the male body in a way that showed it off as a beautiful object. Men's bodies in films are usually either neutral or powerful, I think, and people who are interested in the male body rarely get treated to it like you do in that film. You can get a feel for it w/ the trailer. Straight male friend said he liked the movie but was really put off by / really uninterested in looking at the male body for 2 hours. To me, this was weird because the female body is usually always displayed this way, even when aimed at straight women, so the thought of being uncomfortable seeing your own gender displayed erotically was really foreign. I think since women are always pictured as sexual and beautiful, everyone (including straight women) are trained to see them that way and thus bisexuality doesn't seem that much of a stretch. Hence, more bisexual or bicurious women. Men rarely see other men like that (unless you know you're gay and go looking for it) so they never get shown how the male body can be beautiful, and thus never have their mind wander in that direction to become (bi)curious about it. That's my theory anyway

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    To get back on topic - I actually don't think it would change much. I think there's a general assumption that T is masculine and F is feminine. Te and Se are the most masculine, meaning Alpha SF and Delta NF are the most effeminate types and Beta ST and Gamma NT the most masculine. Probably if you did a survey of those types the actual gender of those types would match the stereotypes (as in, there's probably more male LIEs than female and more female SEIs than male). But since that's a trend and not a rule then being homosexual shouldn't actually change the dynamic anymore than a switch in gender roles. What I actually quite like about socionics is it doesn't matter if you are a male EII and therefore not 'masculine' because out there is a female LSE possibly wondering if she is not feminine enough, whereas you're both perfect for each other. The more the EII tries to turn himself into the uber masculine SLE / LIE, the further he gets from his dual so he can just be himself. Thus since T isn't necessarily male and F isn't necessarily female, there's also no reason why they can't both be the same gender.

    The only way I'd see it changing is possibly people trying to compensate for their perceived lack of conformity by downplaying their non-conforming IEs. So if a LSE woman feels the pressure to be 'nice' or expressive or whatever she might learn to emphasise her Fe role more than a male LSE and thus not be as clear a LSE for her dual. But this would be the case whether or not the EII is male or female. I guess the only difference in a gay relationship is at least one party is going to be gender non-conforming (iff you accept the premise that F is feminine and T is masculine) so it might be more prominent an issue.
    I'd say Te more than Se. I've known some androgynous SLEs or they tended to break gender roles quite well. T/F is the masculine/feminine dichotomy. Se might be perceived as part of that if your definition of masculinity includes the stuff Se does. My version doesn't so much, I think.

    I think the involutionary dyads tend more generally to masculinity and the evolutionary dyads to femininity. That's because invo is another iteration of yang, while evo is yin. Call it extroversion or introversion if you will. Involutionary Te is thus going to be most stereotypically masculine. I don't mean to sound biased. That's just my observation.

    And yeah you're right. People shouldn't change themselves to try to match an abstract role they think they have to fit. You can't tell people enough that they should be who they are and want to be.

    Are homosexuals more likely to have superego complexes due to contrary social expectations? Does this mostly apply to ethical types if male, logical types if female?

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    There was one story about a masculine jock type who had a stroke and suddenly turned into a feminine hairdresser or something.
    I think there is a huge misconception that doesn't allow men to be both, that men can't both be an arrogant masculine jock and the effeminate hairdresser that gossips with you as you tell him all your embarrassing and girlish secrets.

    Now as for myself, I hate football and sports and I also hate hairdressing and interior decorating.
    I do hate sports a little more than the other stuff but I still dislike the other stuff plenty. =D I'm a writer/video game nerd through-and-through. I don't think I'd get along with the guys on Queer Eye and shit, I'd act more like Mr. Garrison in that one south park episode where he chewed them all out haha.

    It's just that we men are like forced to be 'purer than women' or something, and this also relates to men always being in control on the highest level of society, but nobody seems to give two shits about the blue collar loser males on the bottom eh? Men are socially conditioned to be very pure and a one-way street. Like it's okay for a girl to wear both pants and a dress in 'murica but a guy... it's only okay for him to wear the pants. Or it's only okay for him to wear the pants if he's an obnoxious ****** on Ru Paul's drag race. lol Even if he is wearing the pants, most people will still see him in the dress- just because he's gay. That's just the way people perceive men objectively, and there are probably Te biological reasons for this or whatever. Morally and socially though, it's kind of bs when you think about it, I think.

    ((I call them obnoxious ******s as a term of affection btw, I really like the guy who plays Hurricane Bianca... as he said something really poignant about how when he was just a pervy regular gay guy, everybody treated him like shit- but when he put on a dress and a wig, the entire room laughed and loved him. I think that is something a lot of gay guys can relate to ((well at the very least *I* knew exactly what he was talking about)), and why some people think we are 'jealous' of str8 women. Okay, you will like and accept me now that I am stereotypically putting this role on for you lalala.))




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    Bisexual men definitely exist and it's just as natural/normal as the other orientations, but people (and people suck) want them to be either straight or gay way more so than women.

    Goes back to exactly what I said, women are allowed to be hybrid classes but men must roll pure dps, pure tank or pure healing lel. But to be fair women aren't allowed to be pure classes as well, society would just say 'you're being too bitchy' instead of accepting their pure raw power like they would a man's.

    One of my favorite guys in the entire world is bi, he has fantasies of sexually dominating women like a pure real macho str8 man but also he really, really likes being fucked in the locker room by hot jocks lol. Most people would probably think that those desires cancel each other out, and him liking to be fucked by dudes takes away from his alpha top masculinity but not me. We both got a huge crush on each other.

    society would prolly be like "YOU Are CLEARLY Just a GAy Man in denial! Just love yourself and be with men only. Stop hating yourself!!!" (audience cheers) Oprah holds the microphone as she rules over us all.
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/m...ty-exists.html

    'At A.I.B.’s suggestion, Bailey did a second study in which he used more stringent criteria to find bisexual-identified test subjects. Instead of advertising in an alternative newspaper and gay magazines, Bailey’s team recruited men who placed online ads seeking sex with both members of a mixed-gender couple. The men also needed to have had romantic relationships with both men and women.

    To Bailey’s surprise, the new study — published in 2011 and called “Sexual Arousal Patterns of Bisexual Men Revisited” — found that the bisexual men did in fact demonstrate “bisexual patterns of both subjective and genital arousal.” Their arousal pattern matched their professed orientation, and A.I.B., which had been criticized by some bisexual activists for working with Bailey, was vindicated.'


    https://melmagazine.com/the-straight...r-9310614dda03
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    Why would homosexuality change anything? What would it affect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I know I'm going to get flack for saying this, but I believe that male sexual preferences are baked in at birth, but females are almost all bi. The reason that most of them choose to live with men, rather than with women, is social pressure.
    lol what! most people are actually just heterosexual. In today's society I doubt a woman would exclusively date and marry men because of societal pressure.

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    Some types might be more inclined to seek homosexual relationships for one reason or another, but social and financial status also plays a big part. If we think of society as a market of sexual beings who are capable of producing offspring, then it makes sense that society has always rewarded heterosexual couples and thus made that relationship socially acceptable. It ensured our survival as a species. But there is also a demand for couples who want to have less children or none at all (overpopulation, increased costs of families, etc.), for couples who don't want a traditional kind of relationship, or for couples who don't seek any sort of long term commitment (i.e, marriage), and there is more. I hope at some point homosexual relationships will become equally socially acceptable and rewarded, because they do serve a purpose, like a black market — arguably certain types (SLE females for instance) can actually be in a better situation romantically (and have more options to choose from) if they are in a homosexual relationships, particularly when society expectations hinder what would otherwise be a legitimate ideal heterosexual relationship (duality), especially when homosexual relationships are more readily available, convenient, and fairly balanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HERO View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/m...ty-exists.html

    'At A.I.B.’s suggestion, Bailey did a second study in which he used more stringent criteria to find bisexual-identified test subjects. Instead of advertising in an alternative newspaper and gay magazines, Bailey’s team recruited men who placed online ads seeking sex with both members of a mixed-gender couple. The men also needed to have had romantic relationships with both men and women.

    To Bailey’s surprise, the new study — published in 2011 and called “Sexual Arousal Patterns of Bisexual Men Revisited” — found that the bisexual men did in fact demonstrate “bisexual patterns of both subjective and genital arousal.” Their arousal pattern matched their professed orientation, and A.I.B., which had been criticized by some bisexual activists for working with Bailey, was vindicated.'


    https://melmagazine.com/the-straight...r-9310614dda03


    Double vaginal penetration is one of the most bisexual things a guy can do. Liberals and leftists just want (gay and bisexual) men to be anally penetrated so that they can get anal fissures, torn rectums, incontinence, anal cancer, AIDS/HIV, Hepatitis C, the need for a liver transplant, etc. Frot is real man2man gay sex, and no one on the Left wants to accept that because they are a bunch of murderous communists. Men who were not anally abused in their childhoods by either male or female abusers will not do anal when they grow up; they won't even be tempted.
    You're just against anal sex because of personal problems. Lol. It's blatantly obvious.

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    A lot of people are getting off-topic with this thread. I wanted to consider homosexuality in the context of Socionics. Everyone, read the original questions I asked as well as the one I posed in the previous post about the superego.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    How does homosexuality affect intertype relationships and individual intratype dynamics?
    Obviously it changes up the dynamics somewhat, cuz not even the most butch dyke is a man and the most fem of guys will still not be female.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remiel View Post
    Obviously it changes up the dynamics somewhat, cuz not even the most butch dyke is a man and the most fem of guys will still not be female.
    Yeah lol. But, how, specifically. That's the reason for the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post
    Bisexual men definitely exist and it's just as natural/normal as the other orientations, but people (and people suck) want them to be either straight or gay way more so than women.

    Goes back to exactly what I said, women are allowed to be hybrid classes but men must roll pure dps, pure tank or pure healing lel. But to be fair women aren't allowed to be pure classes as well, society would just say 'you're being too bitchy' instead of accepting their pure raw power like they would a man's.

    One of my favorite guys in the entire world is bi, he has fantasies of sexually dominating women like a pure real macho str8 man but also he really, really likes being fucked in the locker room by hot jocks lol. Most people would probably think that those desires cancel each other out, and him liking to be fucked by dudes takes away from his alpha top masculinity but not me. We both got a huge crush on each other.

    society would prolly be like "YOU Are CLEARLY Just a GAy Man in denial! Just love yourself and be with men only. Stop hating yourself!!!" (audience cheers) Oprah holds the microphone as she rules over us all.
    People don't believe in bisexuality around here.
    Like, if someone bisexual settles in a monoganous relationship BAM! They have stopped fooling around and picked a side! Finaly!
    They have seen the light!
    No one has the right to be bisexual, it's considered great as fantasy, but its reality bothers many people who just want black or white, and not grey. Straights and gays included.

    For being "not straight" I got a bunch of women who wanted to kiss me to try or tease guys... what a fucking waste of time.

    In a way, people want woman to be pretty things that love and care for children and clean the house. Women are the wrost about forcing each others in this non sense... as long as you are *that*, you can use your free time to have a carrer or something, nobody cares.
    But dare to burp, not have perfect manner, have a bad hair...
    Then they come whining about being forced in that shit...
    And then, with this feminist agenda, women who choose to stay at home with their children are WRONG... because one *MUST* ... I forgot what... (that's stupidism at this point.)
    ... I guess, no one ever "wins" in a society where everyone believes they know better how everyone should be living...
    I'm tired...

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Moderator View Post
    Personality and Social Psychology published research in which most if not all of the female participants who identified as straight became aroused by lesbian porn.
    link?

    I've never seen a research where most female participants became aroused by watching at two women having intercourse (lesbian porn). What I've seen are studies about sexual arousal in females and men when looking at scenes of males and females separately.

    This study says genital arouse doesnt define sexual orientation in most females, which I agree.

    Anyway, I've a theory of why females can get aroused by looking at other female, and thats because the female brain is more empathetic and use both hemispheres at the same time while men brain is more lateral using hemispheres separately.

    Men Systemize. Women Empathize.

    Male and female brains wired differently, scans reveal.

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    That study sounds like presumptuous bs to be honest. Did they consider reasons why women were more aroused by female porn? It assumes that it makes them homo or bisexual. It's like saying if men watch lesbian porn, they must homosexual.

    Heterosexuality isn't just societal pressure, it's just the most common, for obvious reasons. I have seen claims that everyone is attracted to the female body though (including women).

    Homosexuality having an effect on ITR is assuming that they are different from other people personality wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aki View Post
    link?

    I've never seen a research where most female participants became aroused by watching at two women having intercourse (lesbian porn). What I've seen are studies about sexual arousal in females and men when looking at scenes of males and females separately.

    This study says genital arouse doesnt define sexual orientation in most females, which I agree.

    Anyway, I've a theory of why females can get aroused by looking at other female, and thats because the female brain is more empathetic and use both hemispheres at the same time while men brain is more lateral using hemispheres separately.

    Men Systemize. Women Empathize.

    Male and female brains wired differently, scans reveal.
    There are a few studies concerned with female arousal in response to female stimuli, but this is the one I'm referring to:

    https://splinternews.com/study-sugge...her-1793852964

    Whenever my boyfriend asks me what kind of porn I want to watch, I usually say, "Two girls, one guy." Why? Because women turn me on. To be clear, I am straight—but I've always found that watching two women in sexual situations is pretty hot.Turns out, I am not alone. A new study from the University of Essex that's making waves has found that straight women are pretty unique when it comes to what turns them on physiologically, compared to both straight men and gay women.

    The big bombshell? Straight women are likely to be turned on by both men and women—while straight men and lesbians are likely to be turned on only by their stated preferred gender.

    For the study, published in Personality and Social Psychology, researchers from Essex, Cornell University, and Northwestern University recruited nearly 500 straight, bisexual, and lesbian women in the United States to come into a lab and have their arousal levels measured in response to various sexual stimuli. The researchers then compared that arousal with each participant's stated sexual preference.
    Specifically, researchers showed the women porn that included a female masturbating, a male masturbating, two females together, and two males together.

    From there, they measured sexual arousal in two different ways. One group of women—a mix of straight, lesbian, and bisexual—were asked to use a device placed near the genitals that sensed a change in vaginal blood flow and recorded those genital responses every five milliseconds.
    The other set of women, not involved in the vaginal-response lab tests, had their sexual arousal measured through eye-tracking technology that examined the women’s pupil dilation. Past research has shown that pupil dilation can accurately measure sexual response to stimuli.

    The researchers found that the majority of straight women (72%) were aroused by both men and women, whereas the majority of lesbians (68%) were mostly aroused by just women. Previous research suggests that the majority of straight men, too, are aroused only by their stated preferred gender.
    “If you’re a man, whatever you tell me you’re attracted to I bet in the laboratory your penis will verify that,” Gerulf Rieger, lead author of the study, told The Times in England, citing previous research into straight men and arousal. “If a woman has the same conversation with me and tells me she is straight, even if she believes that, in the laboratory her body will contradict her.”

    This finding, of course, led many media outlets to report the study's findings as "no woman is totally straight!!!"—but Rieger wants to clarify that's not what it really means.

    "I would like to stress that we did not find or say that there are 'no straight women,'" he told me over email. "Rather, we stated in the press release that even though the majority of women identify as straight, they are, in their physiological sexual responses (i.e., genital arousal or pupil dilation to images of attractive men and women) either bisexual or gay, but rarely straight." So yes, you can be straight, but also be aroused by various stimuli.

    Why might this be? In the study, Rieger, who teaches psychology at Essex, cites one possible—albeit controversial—evolutionary explanation that is heavily debated in the scientific community. This theory is that, many millennia ago, forced copulation was standard practice among humans. And because forced sex is dangerous for a female and can result in injury to her genitals, "the female response to any sexual stimulus could have evolved in part to mitigate this risk."

    He further hypothesized that "women may have physiological sexual responses to a variety of sexual stimuli, including stimuli representing both consensual and forced sexual acts, sexual activities of non-human primates, and male and female sexual stimuli" to protect themselves when sex is unwanted.

    Regardless of how it happened, we should all take a moment to acknowledge the possibility that straight women are getting turned on a lot more than popular culture would have us believe. Let the sexual revolution begin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    How does homosexuality affect intertype relationships
    should not

    But nontypes factors may influence on more surface behavior between types or by nontypes psyche reasons.
    For example, other % of IR kinds in pairs. As people of the same sexes are more similar, than they may have higher attraction to identities, than in average. As to cooperate with identities is easier (especially in the beginning), they are easier to find as have closer occupations (taking into account that homosexuals are rare and harder to find - this mb strong factor), as social inacceptance may incline to higher seek for external practical support (besides feelings/soul level) - then they may more often do identities pairs than in average. I also saw an assumption that people with homosexual interests may have higher narcissism trait - this may rise % of identity pairs too.

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