ILE (ENTp)
SEI (ISFp)
ESE (ESFj)
LII (INTj)
SLE (ESTp)
IEI (INFp)
EIE (ENFj)
LSI (ISTj)
SEE (ESFp)
ILI (INTp)
LIE (ENTj)
ESI (ISFj)
IEE (ENFp)
SLI (ISTp)
LSE (ESTj)
EII (INFj)
Well, I was actually just going to say that someone saying they are loyal doesn't necessarily mean they are truly loyal. His own "loyalty" is on full display these days.Originally Posted by strangeling
Oh yes, he absolutely does care about people being loyal to him, though.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
For narcissists, loyalty is a one-way street.
If i remember correctly, he did pass. It was pretty entertaining.The gestures are imitated really wellAlso, my my... the audience really went from no to yes there, super polarizing. I don't watch the show, did he advance later on?
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
yes. I thought he did a great job too. A good way to make light of such an awkward presidency.The gestures are imitated really well
As someone who knows their dual.. the Se-sub SLE IS super touchy and does take things personal, I was recently able to see the difference between Se sub and Ti sub right in front of me and they have completely different vibes. I believe Donald Trump is an SLE-Se subtype. The Se-subtype can get very angry about the silliest, little comments and things, they are very diva-esque like a male peacock or lion. Basically big babies. They appear more feely and "cuddly" in a way. He still could be SEE, but what I am mainly talking about is the arguments used to strengthen the pro SEE side appear as pretty incorrect assumptions.
I don't think most people here have that much experience with SLEs.. but yes they do take things personally.. especially things about "honour" and "pride" (in this case male genitalia). And about loyalty: I think SLEs are actually more loyal than the SEEs I met, though this might be a subjective view based on my personal experiences. Most of the ones I met were super loyal to their families and "groups". Just saying most people here have no idea about the loyalty part, most Betas I met were super loyal, I think it's the aristocratic group thinking, like staying loyal to your pack, your "people". While people on the Fi/Te axis seem to be more about doing their 'own' thing. But lots of team sports like football are very Beta-heavy.
SLE-Se subs are very difficult themselves. And I think Donald Trump totally is a doer and his true intentions aren't about people but how to gain more power and wealth. Beside that his exaggertaed "feely-ness" could mostly be his American culture, most Americans I met have these exaggerated gestures and expressions.
Last edited by dot; 06-14-2017 at 10:19 PM.
SLEs can be loyal for sure. While his almost mafia-esque levels of vindictiveness are most typical of unhealthily expressed Gamma quadra values, to the point of that exact comparison being used in a lot of more negative Russian write-ups on Gamma SFs, Fi-PoLR is often described as requiring loyalty from those absolutely closest to oneself. I don't see it really as a strong point in favor of SEE.
But if he were SLE, I think I'd expect more focus on marshalling resources and less of an immediate instinct towards schmoozing. How he attains power seems to be all pandering to peoples' emotional urges. I never see him reference any concrete data or anything, he seems to be the absence of that kind of categorical consistency actually in running an extremely emotional affect-based and "low information" campaign. Also his resource-based on-the-ground campaign infrastructure was very underdeveloped because the campaign was all focused on his own force of personality and social media presence, letting Cruz (LSI or LIE) eke out some unlikely wins through managerial chops alone.
Once in power, Trump maintains it through basically continuing that campaign mentality through his presidency via riling up the base on Twitter and showboating with the media at press conferences, mostly delegating the workings of government to a circle of trusted advisers. I'd contrast him there with a politician I'd actually type SLE, Winston Churchill, who occasionally had a certain gregariousness going on but was much more focused on expanding his influence through effective marshalling of the resources at his disposal. SEEs are just as focused on power and wealth as SLEs on average, it's a pretty typical manifestation of Se-base especially in E8s (I think Trump is 8w7), how they go about it will differ based on the creative functions though.
I get where SLE is coming from for sure, and like you I think he's Se-subtype. I just think he better fits the description of an SEE-Se, which tends to be more in-your-face and nakedly domineering than the Fi subtype.
Last edited by Nanooka; 06-14-2017 at 10:35 PM.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...like_this.html
There are many interesting observations there. Here are some that might be of particular interest in the context of the16types:
It’s everything from his unitary focus on himself and what’s good for his bottom line to his very solitary, lonely nature as a man, to his willingness to run over and destroy anyone he sees as being in his way. He is quite consistently someone who likes to make mischief and thinks of himself as a jokester, and yet he’s also someone who deeply believes that he can manage and fix just about anything.
Probably one of the most important aspects of his personality is that for Donald Trump there’s really no tense other than the present tense. He doesn’t think terribly much about the future, and he also doesn’t at all acknowledge that the past exists. I think he almost uniquely, in my experience, doesn’t really experience the past in his day-to-day life. When you ask him about things that took place earlier in his life, it’s almost as if they come fresh to him every time you mention them.
[...]
By living in the moment rather than dwelling on the past or even acknowledging the past, he has the ability to keep going. People who were with him when his casinos were going down, when he was suffering through these bankruptcies, and being in this humiliating position of groveling before bankers, thought, “He’s going to come in the next day utterly crushed and not willing to face people, and humiliated,” and it never happened. He came in just as bright and bullish as he’d been the day before. That capacity serves him well I think in some ways, but it also divorces him from reality in some ways. That, I think, is what people around him have come to find a bit frightening.
[...]
Yes, clearly he understands that there are individual battles he’s lost or things aren’t going as he had hoped they would, and he doubles down. This is the old Roy Cohn lesson that he learned and has lived by for half a century: When things get rough, double down and keep going. If you say something that’s wrong or stupid or misunderstood, you don’t apologize, you don’t retract, you just double down and hit that harder and harder. That’s part of his DNA, and so all of these stories about his anger and his lashing out fit in with that. That’s him saying, “I’m going to stick with this. Everyone tells me it’s not a travel ban. It’s still a travel ban to me.” That’s classic Trump.
"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra
Sorry I have to say this, but as someone who knows their dual, he is not mine.I am just teasing. It was just so tempting.
His loyalty or lack thereof, doesn't have much to do with me typing Trump, SEE. Personally I do not think he is that loyal. He cheated on his first wife and has bailed on his investors many times. I think he demands and expects it from others. The SLE I know irl have been loyal to me even during personal conflicts now and then. When I called on them they were there, every time.
Yes, SLE are human and can be touchy or act immature. I agree. I also know people who would fit the Se subtype (I am not that into subtypes) that were mature and didn't act like big babies but they could be jerks. I suppose the ones I know now are probably a bit older than the ones you know. They are hardworking responsible adults with a very playful side.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
With "as someone who knows their dual.." I meant in regards of people who say SLEs do not take things personally -> which totally wasn't my experience with SLEs! Especially when it is about their honour/pride.Sorry I have to say this, but as someone who knows their dual, he is not mine.
His loyalty or lack thereof, doesn't have much to do with me typing Trump, SEE. Personally I do not think he is that loyal. He cheated on his first wife and has bailed on his investors many times. I think he demands and expects it from others. The SLE I know irl have been loyal to me even during personal conflicts now and then. When I called on them they were there, every time.
Yes, SLE are human and can be touchy or act immature. I agree. I also know people who would fit the Se subtype (I am not that into subtypes) that were mature and didn't act like big babies but they could be jerks. I suppose the ones I know now are probably a bit older than the ones you know. They are hardworking responsible adults with a very playful side.
I also talked about loyalty within SLEs in general and I do believe there are SLEs who are cheaters, especially if they are bored with someone or didn't commit fully to a relationship (I know one or two for example). Yet they value loyalty a lot.
The subtypes don't matter when it comes to SLEs being "douchey", it's more of a lighter, soft vibe they have.. they also use Si more than the Ti subtype.. and focus more on fitness and health.. I think the Ti subs are more business orientated from what I could see and colder/more distant.
Yepp SLEs take a long time to mature.. but to be honest there are tons of adults out there who never matured.. like being an immature asshole isn't type related and him using simple strategies/non-facts to manipulate people doesn't mean he isn't SLE to me. SLEs can be pretty manipulative depending on their goal. I think his campaign was mostly catered towards people who weren't that educated, he knew what he ahd to do to get people vote for him, using the right trigger words, talking in a simplified manner. I believe he is very business like in his approach.
Last edited by dot; 06-16-2017 at 10:14 AM.
What is the name of your god who sent you?
I love u
･ﾟ*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:･ﾟ
lmao @ all the morons who voted not-SLE.
Yeah, tbh everyone in the thread fitting under this bill can be on my moron list.
Well at least as far as socionics goes.
I can just tune out of more peoples' and focus more on others'.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I'm calling you a moron, not foolish, for one thing...
I think you have already proven yourself a fool but if you prefer being called a moron so be it. Back the fuck off me.
They are synonymous, in case that went over your head.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
*slowly backs away from the direct quote I'm told to back the fuck off from*
No he doesn't.
And he probably has early onset dementia or something like that now. He too belongs in the discard pile.
I thought you were a mod who should be responsible enough to not start this shit first by doing that towards me in the first place.I thought you were highly against accusing others of mental issues and disorders which can only be diagnosed by professionals?I figured it was okay around here after looking at the feedback and lack of rebuttal. What happened to model citizens? .... Oops, we (you) forgot about that.
You didn't forget about saying this here now though. Good -- I get to expose you.
Gulenko might be biased to type him as his Conflictor just because he is not a fan.
Hehehe, that was a funny ideaWe should personally ask Gulenko about his
there for verification. "Excuse the rude intrusion Mister G but do you have a moment to talk about how much you like the Don?"
It's not funny. It's true. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
No it's not. You are a moderator who should be upstanding in some way and you shit talked about a forum member about having BPD. Is that any clearer now?The only one who's been exposed here is you.
Lol, genius.
By the way if you think I'm such a moron and have proved it already, then pray tell why it would matter to you at all what I think or believe? : )
- Is a forum mod who shit-talked about member's mental states.
I don't particularly think you are a moron. I have no opinion on your intelligence, tbh. I do have an issue with you throwing out insults because you can't make a decent rebuttal against people who have obviously put more effort, and thought, into their typings. At least they have something more than, "this is what young Trump looked like" (paraphrased).
It is you who took my post very personal or you would not have responded by calling me a moron which, from experience, you consider most Te polr. The evidence is in your own responses to self typed IEI. That is how you shut down any real and meaningful discourse and thwart others from disagreeing with you. Who wants to deal with that?
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
"thwart", I like that
Bump?
This has nothing to do with typology. This is narcissism.
The minute someone is no longer useful to him, they no longer have any value to him. it's textbook.
Unless you're saying all Fi-POLRs are narcissists. I think they often get typed as Fi-POLRs - who knows, maybe socionics inadvertently categorized a sociopathic personality disorder into a subset of types. I doubt it though, as one of the premises of socionics is that an underlying sociopathy will make it difficult to type someone correctly.
Last edited by Suz; 08-13-2017 at 06:18 PM.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
According to the New York Times,
- The White House, under siege over President Trump’s equivocal response to bloody white nationalist rallies in Charlottesville, Va., on Sunday condemned “white supremacists.”
- The statement, attributed to an unnamed spokesperson, was sent “in response” to questions about Mr. Trump’s widely criticized comments, in which he blamed the unrest “on many sides.”
I'm pretty sure whoever it was in the White House who clarified Trump's response and condemned "white supremacists" won't have a job tomorrow.
Whenever anything "good" happens, Trump claims credit for it. Whenever anything "bad" happens, it is someone else's fault.
No one can lead this way. This is anti-leadership. Can you imagine a commander on a battlefield acting like this?
Who would work for a guy who constantly undermines you and blames you for his own failings? Not the best and the brightest, that's for sure.
If a guy can't lead by example by working toward a vision that other people will freely get on board to support (and I'm not talking about race-baiting), then he will have to fall back on buying people, threats, bullying, lawsuits, and other means of coercion. And the only people he will be able to trust will be a very select few. The family mafia.
Our country can't be rid of this guy soon enough.
Last edited by Adam Strange; 08-13-2017 at 06:54 PM.
He is going to make America Great Again. Or else. Trump has gambled his entire reputation on becoming president, so he's not going to back down without a fight.
You who oppose him might also do well to look around at who you've allied with. For the first time in many years, we have a president who owes the establishment bureaucracy in D.C. absolutely nothing. This is why the nonsense Russia "investigation" is being dragged on ad infinitum - it's a means of control and intimidation, to prevent Trump for getting his agenda passed. It wasn't so long ago that left-wingers protested banking cartels, the deep state and censorship of internet. Sadly, all those principles have been thrown out the window as the media whips you all into a self-righteous frenzy. Trump is a fascist. Trump is insane. Trump is a threat to democracy. And so on.
If the establishment left, bitter and vindictive after losing to MAGA badly, has its way, people will never have a chance to affect institutional change through the ballot box again. Intractable opposition will only lead to another civil war.
Last edited by Spermatozoa; 08-13-2017 at 09:54 PM.
What about... LSE?
My two cents:
[sarcasm mode on]
Honestly, this guy is so self-centered, the sun has to turn around him.
trumpcentrism
[sarcasm mode off]
Maybe his hire and fire attitude does work as a boss of a company, might be, but as leader president of a nation this is a bad attitude. Does he realize that politics is not primarily about him and what he wants?
[sarcasm mode on]
If I don't post anytime soon my new location is Guantanamo Bay, without connection to the internet, and I haven't to pay for the journey.
[sarcasm mode off]
Last edited by WinnieW; 10-04-2017 at 07:51 PM.
You mean the facebook group. They type Donald Trump SEE. lol.
It's hard to take them seriously with a lot of the typings they come up with. It just sounds like they're more in it for the social popularity.
I'll bet they haven't offered a VI template for each Socionics type. Until they can back their ideas up with coherent VI templates, they are just building castles in the sky.
Te subtypes have a better orientation towards facts (Te has some commonalities with Ti), but the Ni-subtype of ILI doubles down on Ni-lead's inner reality (use Jung to define elements), so the last thing you're going to get is somebody who has a precise adherence to facts.Secondly SB's new view of "logic" is interesting - conceptual reasoning (conceptual-logic) is what the so called "F/ethical" types have. Those types are logical but aren't interested in "factoids" as much as the idea they push. Jung's "logic" isn't a precise adherence to facts and it shows which is why his reasoning isn't easy to explicitly articulate and follow. (Which is instead something SB's "pedantic-logic" "T/logical" types have hence much more explicit and precise - you see it clearly in both NTs & STs, NTs apply their precision to fantastical ideas)
The guy is information-wise IEI but with clear Delta quadra values, given his humanitarian and empathetic angle, unlike the beta conquest-idealism combo
On a sidenote, Socionics britannica talks trash about other socionists but doesn't give the names of the people they are referring to. That's pretty weak not to give the names. From their facebook:
"Classic socionics is quite biased in these regards as domineering qualities are actively ignored within a subset of Alpha types giving the illusion of a benign group of personalities. Some socionists are liable to this self deception - which says more about their personality. This cannot be explained by the present theories in socionics, it's not directly sociotype related."
Give the names of the socionists instead of saying "some socionists."
Last edited by Kill4Me; 03-23-2018 at 03:44 AM.
you should post your pinterest on their facebook
Pinterest gives me a link when I want to post something relevant here. It gives me a place to keep my stash. Pinterest is an overall more serious medium than Facebook. Facebook is little more than a social-whoring network...and right now, with all the trouble that weasel Zuckerberg is in, it's got as much gravitas as the legal profession (which is about one step above prostitution).
thanks for your opinion on pinterest and facebook. I just wanted to see them comment on your system in a kind of turnabout vis-a-vis your judgement here of their own typings
I gave you my opinion on the legal profession, too. Don't forget to thank me for that.
hurr
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
