Why on earth does everyone think I'm an extrovert and, in particular, an EP under Socionics?
Why on earth does everyone think I'm an extrovert and, in particular, an EP under Socionics?
Absurd: You Ti dominants sure say things I don't really know where to put.
labtard: fml
Absurd: Hah.
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Anyway, seriously, seeing the inlux of E6's on this board something is amiss in the Socion Land. I mean, first ILIs, LIEs and now E6s. What makes you think you're not this extraverted type nor Ep, for it sounds as if you already decided, at least tentatively...
Last edited by Absurd; 02-15-2013 at 02:34 PM.
Whenever I've discussed things with you, your first action is always to throw out positive interests which are disparate and unrelated. A very Pe thing to do and not in the way I would expect with Se, of which I use woofl (unff unff) as a benchmark.
I blame socionics.
Lately you have been appearing more extroverted, in the pure sense. Introversion, energy from themselves, extroverts - energy from others.
You have been showing a more genuine interest in others, thus you appear extroverted/gregarious, influenced by their response not just to whatever is happening in your own brain/your own personal feelings.
These things happen in scales. I mean I am very introverted, but I can be extroverted if somebody coaxes me into it and gets me kinda genuinely interested in something that doesn't have to do with me. It's just the introvert, naturally feels things more deeply, their own reality 'feels more real' and so it's draining to be in this stage w/o some assistance. So who knows, maybe people around you are just influencing you to be more extroverted in ways that you like. That's what the classical enfp American therapist does with the emo shy awkward boy that comes to their appointments for counseling sessions. That's all they really do, with compassion and intelligence- they just coax a really withdrawn person to get outside of themselves more, so they won't feel things so heavy that they hurt themselves/or others. You lighten up. You act like the extroverted esfj housewife who buys trinkets instead of having this moral outrage over people who buy trinkets. You learn to laugh at the things you hated instead of be grumpy about it.
Yes, BnD is correct, listen to him. He has sat on the fence so long that the iron has entered his soul.
IEEs are generally speaking the shyest of the extraverts. Anyone who meets me for the first time with knowledge of MBTI/Socionics thinks I'm an introvert at first until they get to know me better and realize that I'm actually an extravert. Also the fact that you're a 6 and sp first may give off the impression of false introversion.
Last edited by Raver; 03-11-2013 at 08:52 PM.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Wonder what people say when they don't have any knowledge of MBTI/Socionics about you, Raver.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
I think I get what you are saying. My interests have actually been very consistent over the years. For example, I used to like playing video games, but didn't play very many. I would get one or two games and stick with those for at least a year and maybe return to it later. These past few months, I've had an obsession with nutrition and diet. I can always find a way to incorporate my personal focuses ( and past ones) into any conversation...
Me showing a genuine interest in others depends on my mood. If there's an unresolved inner conflict, I don't show an interest in other people. Another reason I interrogate people when I feel like it is because I would enjoy the same thing myself if I was in the mood to be interrogated.
Sometimes this is a difficult process for me.You learn to laugh at the things you hated instead of be grumpy about it.
Ahh see I'm the other way around. People who first meet me think I am very outgoing and extroverted. Only when I stick around long enough do I become more withdrawn and socially disinterested until something else stimulates me.
Absurd: You Ti dominants sure say things I don't really know where to put.
labtard: fml
Absurd: Hah.
Last edited by Raver; 03-11-2013 at 08:53 PM.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Bcaus you are Ep temperamend.
Socionics extroversion dictates function placement, colloquial extroversion dictates social placement. They are not the same.
Easy Day
Do you think Extroverts gain energy with action while Introverts lose energy? I don't know if this would fit with the function placement always. In my case I gain energy but seem to be Introverted. I know the concept started with MBTI but it's on Wikisocion: http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...d_introversion
Well said. That's exactly the problem. Function placement and things like energy flow are often made to create a dichotomy and suddenly a socionics practitioner is forced to make this confusing decision about which is more important to dissecting the character of ourselves or even those around us. I think it is certainly useful to remember the past, and what has flowed from it, but in this case I do think that things like colloquial (social) extroversion or introversion are simply stepping stones in socionics. Essentially, I think model A is far more important than what helped imagine its creation.
Easy Day
Or if you prefer.
Originally Posted by Wikisocion
Easy Day
In my experience, Ti as Demonstrative(4D) is inherently appreciated, but almost openly mocked in a self-deprecative sort of way. My Brother in law would often joke about how everything is subjective, and so clearly nothing actually makes sense in "reality". But he and i would still conversate for ridiculous amounts of time in analytic regards to questions like "At what point could Naruto beat Freiza?" and other such nonsense.
Ti as Ignoring seems to be a little "Cockier". Someone else gives Ti, and the person understands it, but rewires it into Te terms. Having a viewpoint that Te is the better way of using that information. I know i do this with Ne. I hear it, and i rewrite what is said in my head using different terms.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Yes it is similar to light and a system of prisms. One angle will reflect the light inwards and trap it into the prism, while another angle results in its reflection. This is similar to the reflection, symmetry, and so forth of intro-version and extro-version with respect to society. Each prism being a person and their medium (which determines their index of refraction), and each light (the exchange of photons) the nature of the interaction between them. This I guess is the idea of the incandescent being which travels via light.
Last edited by male; 03-09-2013 at 02:19 AM.
i always feel drained after interaction. shrugs (@Air and @Raver)
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
the only explanation that made sense to me was that extraverts enter interaction with higher spirits and leave more exhausted (or sth along those lines). the rest makes no sense to me.
ps: err i meant to post this in @Air's thread on same/similar topic
Like our friend said, to me it depends on whom I'm interacting with. But I dislike too much interaction as in college or job, I find it enprisons me. I like to have a lot of time alone everyday.
I seem to be Introverted if Gulenko and Aushra are are right abt Introverts being more observing of the interaction between objects than objects alone. For example, in a room I tend to look at the overall way things are arranged than look at each object as a single discrete object. I like things fitting with each other because it gives me more comfort even if they are simpler things than a bunch of objects randomly put in a room.
Because Carl Jung and Ausra Augusta said so.Why Am I Extraverted?
"We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.".
LOL
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html