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Enneatype of Maritsa33
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LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
probably 2w1 or something. She's like the girl in Misery
Originally Posted by Maritsa33
(2w1 seems quite common for EIIs, moreso than 9)
The saddest ESFj
...
she strikes me as 1w2
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
3w2
The Enneagram Blogspot: Type 3: Image-Seeker
Threes with this wing are often highly gregarious. They have a tendency towards persona - playing a role of themselves in real life. Social perception, prestige and recognition important. Healthy side brings personal warmth, leadership qualities.
Sincere desire to do well by others; may be genuinely nice people. If they have achieved some measure of success they are generous in their mentorship of others. When more entranced, they are preoccupied with seeming ideal to others. This can extend to friendships, family, as well as at work. Want to seem a perfect spouse, friend, parent, employee, good son or daughter.
Strong social focus because they need so much validation from others. Preening and boastful behavior possible. Bursts of egotism. Wanting to be on top, better than others. Slip into impersonation easily, may falsify feeling and not know it themselves. Deep emotional self-recognition is lost. Malicious intentional deceit is possible. Behavior of con-artists and sociopaths.
EII INFj
Forum status: retired
I think she is 2w1
Ein neuer Mann
2w1, her vibe is more emotional than disciplined. 1w2 is more disciplined than emotional.
Thats how I'd make the division, the same way people have the division with 5w4 and 5w6 and being arts and sciences respectively.
Looks like Brilliand got this one right, from others comments. I'd lean toward unhealthy 2w1, though.
Definitely a 2, no doubt in my mind. 2w1 is probably accurate, I'd guess so/sx. Tritype is probably 2w1/9w1/6w7.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
E1. Maritsa is more interested in being right than she is in helping anyone. E3 (3w2) is a possibility. She hides behind the mirage of an E2. Smoke and mirrors.
Communication Styles:
E1: Preaching, Teaching, Lecturing
E2: Compliments, cajoling, seductive charm
E3: Pitches, propaganda and advertising self and others
Maritsa spends the majority of her time on 16types to prove she knows her stuff and that she is right. At an average of 300 posts/wk, she loves to show off her typing skills at every turn (the accuracy is debatable). She also loves to add 'dear' at the beginning or end of posts when she wishes to demonstrate superiority and patronage. It is not meant to be used as a term of endearment to show affection. Her posts are riddled with "I" statements - another indication that this is not about helping you, but, to showcase her. These are not E2 qualities.
Not at all, dear.
I agree.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
ENFjs
Irrelevant. The other photos you've posted demonstrate you VI ENFj - the one of you rock climbing and the other of you and your mother. Personally, Maritsa, I think you have a skewed perception of yourself.
So, let me see. I'm mean for expressing my opinion. But, when you express your opinion about others' seemingly skewed perceptions of themselves and socionics in general, this is somehow, right and good? LOL!
Oh Maritsa, you are so full of yourself, it hurts.
LOL! And, I guess you feel you have a rightful place, beside Jesus Christ, Mother Theresa and God. I have no fascinations to be ENFj or an INFj. Sorry. But, I think you do feel like INFj is the best and everyone wants to be just like you. As I've already discussed in a previous thread, I think you are enamored by "INFJ" types because they are special and rare and all knowing (according to MBTI lore). You behave like the INFJ wannabes I've encountered on other boards.
I'm not trying to prove I'm an INFj. You can't have certified VI proof of a methodology that is not proven. It's all speculation Maritsa.
E1 Lecturing, Preaching, Teaching.
Feeling Triad Dileemas:
4 -- Inward Shame, I am not worthy/true to myself, I must show people who I really am
3 -- Middle Ground/Balancing, How can I be worthy to other people and still be myself?
2 -- Outward Shame, I am not worthy to other people, I must prove my worth to others
Instinctual Triad Dileemas:
1 -- Discipline, I must be in control of my urges/instinct or else I will self-destruct
9 -- Repression, I must ignore my urges/instincts and meditate to be at peace
8 -- Dominance, I must channel my urges/instincts in order to survive
Thinking Triad Dileems:
5 -- Inward Anxiety, I must understand things to master them and alleviate my anxiety
6 -- Outward Anxiety, I must know who to trust and what to do to alleviate my anxiety
7 -- Stay Active, I must keep focused and engaged to avoid focusing on my anxieties
Maritsa33.....
2
1
9
6
3
7
4
5
8
In order from most to least... she only seems 1 when the current issue on the table is focused around her anger, when she gets frustrated and confronted... its an issue of anger and her persona takes on an annoying moral lectury/preachy tone. Contrast with 8's who give it back to you in some form or another, and 9s who try to remain peaceful or drop the subject.
The 2 is most pronounced I think because of her deeper motive, most 1's have a lifestyle of being rigid/perfectionist/moral/orderly... they only turn to psychology when they want to learn how to self-improve. One the other hand 2's turn to psychology in hope of furnishing stronger relationships, and really only that... maritsa33 is this category, obsessed with duality and VI and the more relationship oriented idea of psychology rather than self-improvement.
LOL
You're understanding of the functions is backwards, Maritsa. It's all flipped inside out. (that's why you think I have Ni polr and I'm LSE LOL)
You are Beta, and my mirror. (ENFj) You're not INFj.
Why are you so obsessed with posting here Maritsa?
The problem here, Maritsa, is that you've yet to prove the link between these features and type. Sames goes for your J neck theory. You've admitted in a PM you don't have the research to back up your claims. Until such time as you can demonstrate a scientific link, these observations are simply speculations with no more merit than any other on this site. I can gather a room full of people with crooked fingers and assert these people are all ESFps. This does not make my statement true.
I hope when you speak of 'you' - you are addressing the point in general and not directing this at me. If you think I'm Se leading, you are sadly mistaken. Certainly, my Se leading husband would think you are crazy. LOL!
SEEs have better things to do than wasting time hanging out at 16types to discuss theory.
There is no magic here. The majority of people who interact with you grow tired of your nonsense, withdraw from any more exchanges and hope you will someday leave. It's easier than to try to reason with you. For months, this has been the "Maritsa Show" monopolizing the intellectual atmosphere to spew misinformation @300 posts/wk - sucking the life out of the forum. You will subdue most of the forum members (regardless of type) in the next few months if you can't see the consequences of your behaviour.
Aww I like when maritsa calls me honey. It's like this warm light that surrounds my soul.
DoppelgangersENFjs
EII INFj
Forum status: retired
Marie,
Why are you commenting on my thread?'
Morphologically, that EIE picture, the girl's eyes are slanted, don't you see? my eyes are round. and they slant upwards not down at the corners
Of course I am smiling and laughing. I am at my cousin's wedding, you don't sit there and mope around when you're at a special occasion.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 06-22-2010 at 06:46 PM.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
You do if you're the janitor
Stan is not my real name.
All people have round eyes. What the fuck are you smoking?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I know.Doppelgangers
there are no rules regarding commenting in open threads like this. This sounds a bit Se territorial, don't you think?
You've posted at least three photos of yourself on 16types - all photos show the same openness of expression. You do not show reticence. You've yet to prove anything other than. And, if this photo is not a true representation of you (ie. you were drunk and not yourself), then, why use it all? It's a bit dishonest.
It's an open forum
But if you're going to be possessive, it's actually jxrtes's thread since he created it
Genetics place a huge role in how our features are formed, and I don't think the more well known Socionists are even trying to claim a monopoly on features and type, they just made a few physical observations which are not even conclusive.Morphologically, that EIE picture, the girl's eyes are slanted, don't you see? my eyes are round. and they slant upwards not down at the corners
For instance, try comparing a white person to an Asian person of the same type, they certainly won't have the exact same features
Regardless of VI and its place in Socionics, I still think you strongly resemble the picture of that girl, and would still see that observation even if I knew nothing about Socionics.
But in terms of Socionics, I do think the pictures you've shown of yourself displays an expressiveness which is not really common in people who reject Fe.
Personally, I think having strong (and valued) Fe is a talent you should be thankful for, since I find it to be more welcomed by society (especially in women) than the emotional placidity which Fi dominants tend to show, which I think repels most people
But see, that's a talent and not something everyone can do. You can show how you feel and do so vividly and clearly. If you ignored Fe this would be hard to do, even if you are in a good moodOf course I am smiling and laughing. I am at my cousin's wedding, you don't sit there and mope around when you're at a special occasion.
If you want to go by Filatova's VI, take another look at the people she typed as EII, they all look rather emotionally dreary, that's because something as simple as giving a big warm smile is hard to do when you ignore Fe (and even worse if it's your PoLR)
EII INFj
Forum status: retired
I believe that you and I made an agreement; your emotional display here went against our agreement, hence I will have to say that you are irrational type. Rational types act on rational things, irrational types act on their emotional impulses, which in my rational mind you have done here, now.It's an open forum
But if you're going to be possessive, it's actually jxrtes's thread since he created it
Every human type has feelings, showing them or not does not determine Fe/Fi or any other type; the differences lie in what prompts emotions to show up, which obviously you have not figured out yet.
For Si types, it's not getting certain sensations fulfilled...this is just an example to you and you can figure out the rest on your own.
I have no time for you.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
She could be a Two. I would probably be okay with it actually.
All ENFjs are Asians apparently...
Stan is not my real name.
Maritsa is some 6-y beats
The end is nigh
Enneagram 6, as it seems clear to me that she is attempting to build a support network around herself and dislikes those who do not want to be part of it.
6 - Enneagram Type Six: The Loyalist
Key Motivations: Want to have security, to feel supported by others, to have certitude and reassurance, to test the attitudes of others toward them, to fight against anxiety and insecurity.
An example:
Nah I'd say her thinking triad is 6, but I don't get the thinking triad vibe from her. She seems much more like a feeling triad dominant. She doesn't have that vibe like she is constantly focused psychologically on issues of anxiety/fear/angst/dread etc.... in one form or another.
Sixes worry a lot and are concerned, so they attach onto ideas and believes they belief strongly, and they make connections. On the surface they are loyal and have strong beliefs which they back up with strong rationales, usually of which they have learned from a source which they trust. This characterization becomes apparent after some substantial interaction with them.
Fives worry a lot also, but its more on being competent enough mentally to deal with all of lives problems and anxieties. They therefore have an energy about them were they feel drawn to investigate and understand that which makes them afraid or worried. They need to know things to be reassured and they can be very uneasy with poor explanations about things that unsettle them. This characterization also becomes apparent after some time with them.
Sevens are light-hearted, fun enjoyment seekers. They are witty, quick, and mentally able. They keep things light and stay one step ahead of any anxiety by staying active and engaged and enjoying things as much as possible. They need to have fun, be involved, and stay focused on the positive. This characterization also becomes apparent after some time with them.
I've never seen any of these characterizations in Maritsa33, except the 6 in very small and weak doses
Its not an accepted theory, but I generally believe a person has characteristics of all three types in their dominant triad which is mitigated through their dominant type in that triad. For this reason a Dominant Thinking Triad tends to have characteristics of all thinking types with one dominant type which characterizes the relationship between these three elements. If a person is a leading thinking triad the strength of this relationship between the three elements is built on a much more solid foundation than their feeling or instinctual triad, however certain individual elements of the feeling or instinctual triad may relate across boundaries to other triads through other relationships, such as other triad theories, wings, directional theory, and so forth. At any rate, all three types of a triad represent various focuses and strategies with respect to one unifying principle. A type is merely a more specific categorization of that focus or strategy and represents a particular subset of a set. Therefore its not too unreasonable to assume that the subset is connected spatially to this set at its boundaries to the other constituents.
I mention all of this because Triads really count when typing a person, even if a person seems like a type, if they don't fit with the triad there is likely a problem....
And Maritsa33 doesn't fit with the thinking triad
Last edited by male; 06-23-2010 at 03:45 AM.
Another reason why I don't believe Maritsa is enneagram 2 is because she failed to pick up on Suzzy being enneagram 2 even though Suzzy thought she was enneagram 4 or 5.
If Maritsa was enneagram 2 then in Suzzy's video which has now been removed but I remember well, where she talked about wanting to feel loved and about feeling unworthy then Maritsa instead of attacking her would have understood.
2 - Enneagram Type Two: The Helper
* Basic Fear: Of being unwanted, unworthy of being loved
* Basic Desire: To feel loved
* Enneagram Two with a One-Wing: "Servant"
* Enneagram Two with a Three-Wing: "The Host/Hostess"
Nonsense, Maritsa is nothing like E6. She's much closer to E1 than E6. Attacking others' base motivation when it's also your own is hardly unexpected since it's like hearing your own unacknowledged fears voiced. I know both healthy and unhealthy E6 closely and Maritsa falls in neither camp.
Maybe she is more like a 1 than 6. I just reread some enneagram type 1 information. I guess I only know of 2 definite type 1's and one of them spends her time popping diet pills, working out to excess and dieting non stop and the other is highly judgmental, opinionated and an angry person who thinks only he is right in nearly everything.
So perhaps overall enneagram type 1 but definitely not type 2 as type 2's that I know are pretty much always nice and friendly to everyone, even the unhealthy type 2's are. I have also noted they usually develop a tendency to overeat a little.
Last edited by Nonsense; 06-23-2010 at 11:21 PM.
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