political test

[Pa3s]

This is a test I found online and I'm interested in your results if you want to take it and post them. It covers many areas and I did not have such a hard time choosing my answers as I had in similar tests. I did the long version.

 

(as a link)

Actually, I don't see myself as Trotskyist, but it's still rather accurate (I don't know how many and what kind of different results are possible).

EDIT: I suppose I scored relatively low at anarchistic because it's problematic to answer the "state regulation vs. free market" questions if you actually oppose both sides. So if I'm in favour of the state enabling a basic life standard for everyone (because I'd prefer this to the free market variant) it counts as authoritarian, even if my ideal would be a anarcho-communist society.

[Scapegrace]

These questions are nonsense. They're hardly English.

[Pa3s]

Ah, I didn't check the quality of the English questions. I did the test in German.

[Scapegrace]

"It would be good for the public authorities to pay their debts no longer."

<3

[Scapegrace]

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/364022/

Eh. Kant is a homeboy of mine, but I'm not sure how accurate this is.

[Absurd]

You are a bourgeois patriot.

[woofwoofl]

You are a neoliberal Democrat. 6 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 27 percent are more extremist than you.

[Narc]

You are a neoliberal Democrat. 6 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 39 percent are more extremist than you.

http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/364034/

[Esaman]

You are a Social Democrat. 10 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 24 percent are more extremist than you.


Social democrat is the label I would use.
The anarchistic-authoritarian dichotomy is weird to me. I am perpendicular to it in that I am very much for authority of state but only in it's role of mediation of interests of the individuals.

[ashlesha]

You are a cosmopolitan Social Democrat . 14 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 46 percent are more extremist than you.

[glam]

You are a Social Democrat
10 percent of the test participators are in the same category
32 percent are more extremist than you




http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/364084/

[glam]

Ah, I didn't check the quality of the English questions. I did the test in German.

a few may be awkwardly worded, but most of the English questions are fine overall, imo.

[InvisibleJim]

You are a Liberal. 4 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 15 percent are more extremist than you.

[Absurd]

Cool percentages.

[Pa3s]

Yet another sillyass normatively loaded test.

Yeah, I agree. Many questions are very vague and lead "unsuspecting" people to choose the socialist/communist answer because it intuitively seems to be the "right" thing. They agree that everyone should have proper housing, a minimal standard of living and access to education. But this doen't take the limitations of reality into account at all. This is also reflected in the overall statistics which are clearly leaning to the left.

[squirreltual]

ew.

[Absurd]

Didn't choose the socialist/communist answer and I fail to see how is that the right thing to do, Trotsky.

[Absurd]

...

[Absurd]

That your favorite Star Trek character?

Why are you always twisting everything round? Same thing happened in that misanthropy thread (I'm not a misanthrope).

As for the test, one can take it few times (short version) and see it the results one gets are going to stabilize.

[Creepy-bg]

I did the short version. (and don't agree with the results)



0% agree with me

[Pa3s]

Didn't choose the socialist/communist answer and I fail to see how is that the right thing to do, Trotsky.

Okay, I'll give you an example. This is one of the questions:

"Every citizen should be entitled to humane accommodation."

Most people would naturally agree with that (imho), because they think it's fair. However, if you answer with "yes", the test will count it as a pro-state answer in any case, since it's usually the state which takes measures in order to allow poorer people to have an accomodation with a certain standard.

The basic question does not say how the people get a "humane accomodation". If you believe that the free market (or private organizations within the free market) will enable everyone to have decent house/apartment, or at least give them the ability to get one, you migth agree with the statement without actually endorsing a welfare state. It's the limitation of a test.

[Absurd]

0% agree with me

It's not popular nowadays and has been replaced by social-democracy, so no wonder.

"Every citizen should be entitled to humane accommodation."

Hope that question didn't figure in long version test I didn't take. Anyway, I would agree to a certain point, although I would have qualms with how citizenship is/was understood by that test creator. If you have an idea or know, cluck it.

[Absurd]

Just a question, brah.

Okay, nope.

[Pa3s]

Hope that question didn't figure in long version test I didn't take. Anyway, I would agree to a certain point, although I would have qualms with how citizenship is/was understood by that test creator. If you have an idea or know, cluck it.

A "citizen" is mainly a member of a certain state (with the exception of "world citizens" maybe), so the question does have some connection to the role of the state. It's probably not intended to be a question regarding abstract rights every human should have, like a generel statement. So if you say yes to this question, you say "I believe the state should supply its citizens with affordable accomodations." Under these conditions, I might have to rethink my answers as well.

The details of the questions are a matter of interpretation and this may cause unclear results.

[xerx]

3%?! i'm not pure enough

[Absurd]

A "citizen" is mainly a member of a certain state (with the exception of "world citizens" maybe), so the question does have some connection to the role of the state.

I was barking in the "who and how one becomes a citizen" direction. This is of importance to me. I know that citizens are members of state(s) - if it weren't so they wouldn't be citizens nor there would be states.

every human should have

This line says all and if it was intended this way by the test creator I may have to disagree. This is a political test and politics plus religion split this forum in half. What I am 'saying' is by the scores alone in this test and you answering positively in regards to that question already points to a biased predisposition, for no trotskyists would even think of allowing, say, a capitalist or stalinist equal housing perspectives and accommodation, so you might have played a joke on yourself right now. It's pretty idealistic what you write, I mean. Sorry.

leftist nationalist totalitarian

Typical ILE freedom liberty non-sexist, non-chauvinistic and pro-tolerance fighter. Congratulations on ****** result.

[Pa3s]

What I am 'saying' is by the scores alone in this test and you answering positively in regards to that question already points to a biased predisposition, for no trotskyists would even think of allowing, say, a capitalist or stalinist equal housing perspectives and accommodation, so you might have played a joke on yourself right now. It's pretty idealistic what you write, I mean. Sorry.

I don't really understand what you are telling me here. I chose my answers to the test intuitively and I have noticed that the result does not match my actual belief. That's why I was looking for the cause of this. I already said in the OP that I'm sometimes in a dilemma because I think that all people should have decent accomodations, but want neither the free market nor the state to take care of that. But you can't answer that way, so I chose "yes" because I'm generally agreeing with the statement.

If I avoid to answer these questions, I get anarcho-collectivist (which is closer to the truth). Compared to my initial result, it has a much lower "communistic" value and a higher score in "anarchistic". Hypothetically, anarcho-communist would score high in both "anarchistic" and "communistic", but that doesn't seem to be a possible result.

[InvisibleJim]

I dunno Pa3s. I got something close to where I consider myself to be and always thought you might be a closet leftie! And you did say it's 'still rather accurate'

[Esaman]

Which would mean you're an authoritarian.

authoritarianism is about authority an will of few over many (and acceptance of it). As I have said, I accept government only as mediators of compromise of will of most and interest of all. I don't pedestalize leaders and officials only respect the representative role they play if they in fact do.
On the line of difference between two positions I cannot take seriously - anarchism and authoritarianism I am closer to anarchism which is about choices of many accumulating to social order. I just think that believing in all things just sorting themselves out well by mythically unmanaged natural order as oppose to willful and managed order and social organisation is asinine.

[ashlesha]

3%?! i'm not pure enough

is this based on your honest answers?

[Absurd]

I have noticed that the result does not match my actual belief. That's why I was looking for the cause of this. I already said in the OP that I'm sometimes in a dilemma because I think that all people should have decent accomodations, but want neither the free market nor the state to take care of that.

In that case vote for free market knowing "it" didn't provide prisoners their comfy cells and prisons yet.

But you can't answer that way, so I chose "yes" because I'm generally agreeing with the statement.

It would be better if you voted neither actually. Don't know whether 'neutral' takes care of that in a tr00 ideological kvlt way.

If I avoid to answer these questions, I get anarcho-collectivist

Cool.

[Pa3s]

I dunno Pa3s. I got something close to where I consider myself to be and always thought you might be a closet leftie! And you did say it's 'still rather accurate'

Well, it's just a test. What do you expect? I said it's "still rather accurate" because one of the central concepts of Trotskyism is council communism (=self-organization through councils with imperative mandates). This is also a major difference to the typical marxist-leninist/maoist (or whatever) authoritarian communism, in which the party has the sole right to "rule them all". However, Trotsky himselfs is a historical person I don't want to associate myself with. And the political current is different from my actual belief in other areas.

I do know that my views are very left, so that's no surprise.

I'm still curious to figure out what this alternative 3rd option is that's neither market nor state.

Well, you can't call it a market if you're exchanging goods on the basis of "solidarity" (see gift economy). Production would be planned according to need and distributed without money. So it's still different than the centralised socialistic planned economies.

[InvisibleJim]

Well, it's just a test. What do you expect? I said it's "still rather accurate" because one of the central concepts of Trotskyism is council communism (=self-organization through councils with imperative mandates). This is also a major difference to the typical marxist-leninist/maoist (or whatever) authoritarian communism, in which the party has the sole right to "rule them all". However, Trotsky himselfs is a historical person I don't want to associate myself with. And the political current is different from my actual belief in other areas.

I do know that my views are very left, so that's no surprise.

Fair enough, a better description would be 'communual socialist' or something?

[xerx]

I'm still curious to figure out what this alternative 3rd option is that's neither market nor state.

communism <-- people sharing resources with each other without being told to <-- like in a tribe

[Esaman]

So long as you're wanting a Big Daddy to make sure everyone plays nice with each other, then you're an authoritarian.

Big Daddy is what you dream about in your victim wet dreams, what I am talking about is people treated more equal than they are and forced to deal with each other opinions and needs to manage connection before natural interdependence results in ugly collision.

[xerx]

Which would necessarily mean coercion to make that happen—unless they're all doing it voluntary, in which case that's still a market IMO.

not if they're doing it for free, not expecting compensation

[InvisibleJim]

Feudalism, best govt type.

[Capitalist Pig]

My results: http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/364208/

Big surprise.

"It would be good for the public authorities to pay their debts no longer."

<3

Yeah, this question confused the heck out of me as well.

I just think that believing in all things just sorting themselves out well by mythically unmanaged natural order as oppose to willful and managed order and social organisation is asinine.

Me too.

[Absurd]

Big Daddy is what you dream about in your victim wet dreams, what I am talking about is people treated more equal than they are and forced to deal with each other opinions and needs to manage connection before natural interdependence results in ugly collision.

LUL.

[xerx]

They're still doing conducting transactions under implicit compensation. Not all forms of compensations need be monetary-based.

the word "market" strongly connotes exchange in order to satisfy private interest. the word "communism" connotes exchange in order to properly distribute resources in a way that benefits society as a whole / the public good.

the latter requires all elements of society to voluntarily come together in order to create plans for distribution (without a state to supervise it)