Susan Sarandon

[Elro]

Ganin typed her as ESTj. What do you think?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EediVxWZOnc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=STTJR-G2IU0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xVue3OlAaTE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Sarandon

[Phaedrus]

Ganin typed her as ESTj. What do you think?

That it both looks and sounds like a very good guess. She is clearly an extravert, and her facial structure is typical of a rational type. I would even say that based on V.I. she really can't be an irrational type; her rationality is too obvious. She also looks very similar to at least one female ESTj I know IRL. And I think that she seems to be a logical type too. No clear sign of ethicalness there, as far as I can tell.

[tereg]

No clear sign of ethicalness there, as far as I can tell.

She and Tim Robbins are always fighting and speaking out for stuff like this:






Which, my opinion is is that it's an ethical issue to her.

[Phaedrus]

She and Tim Robbins are always fighting and speaking out for stuff like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbncOXkKzcs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40daMydUJ28

Which, my opinion is is that it's an ethical issue to her.

What you say here illustrates the problem with the miselading type labels in Socionics, because whether an issue is ethical or not has nothing at all to do with whether you are a logical or an ethical type. From now on, I think I will use the labels "T" and "F" instead, and my point is that I see no obvious signs of F in her. She seems to be a T type.

[tereg]

What you say here illustrates the problem with the miselading type labels in Socionics, because whether an issue is ethical or not has nothing at all to do with whether you are a logical or an ethical type. From now on, I think I will use the labels "T" and "F" instead, and my point is that I see no obvious signs of F in her. She seems to be a T type.

No, I wasn't trying to say that because she speaks out on ethical issues that that makes her an ethical type. I made a partial statement and didn't complete the thought.

What I was trying to drive at was maybe in the approach in how she deals with issues like that. There might be a semblance of ethics, but I wasn't trying to insinuate that she's an ethical type because of the issue. Listen to her tone:

"I say to those who tell me that we are fighting this war over there so that it doesn't come here, listen to the sons and daughters who are returning on their familes and you will know that the war is being fought here in the hearts and minds and bodies of those that are returning, and have already sacrificed so much, shame on you. We are here today to say it is time to remove the burden of the political crisis of the Iraq war from our soldiers and commit to caring for a new generation of Americans who are grieving, severely wounded and mentally troubled."

Now, granted, this is only a small quote snippet, and I would actually agree on the whole that she is a rational type. All I'm trying to do is lay out examples of how she might use or as a vehicle and to what capacity she might use them/if she's weak or strong in either. I would think if anything, those videos demonstrate at the very least strong or valued . But by no means do I think that this alone makes her an ethical type. I'm just trying to expand on well known information about her to try to assist in extrapolating a type.

I apologize if my thought was unclear.

[Phaedrus]

Do we agree that she is most likely an EXXj?

[tereg]

Do we agree that she is most likely an EXXj?

Yes, I think the EJ temperament fits her very nicely.

[Expat]

Actually I think LSE makes sense. She goes for Fi, Te, seems to have a general Delta outlook and to have no problems with Se. Her argumentation (assuming she wrote it) is also full of Si.

It's interesting to note that she's been good friends with Gore Vidal, who I'm convinced is ILI, for decades.

[machintruc]

She either LSE or ESI.

[olduser]

i find her ridiculously attractive.

[Phaedrus]

She either LSE or ESI.

If that is true, we know that she is LSE, because we know that she is not an ESI.

[Slacker]

If that is true, we know that she is LSE, because we know that she is not an ESI.

Huh?

[Phaedrus]

Huh?

I know that your intellecutal capacity is limited, but surely you must be able to follow this simple logical reasoning.

[Slacker]

I know that your intellecutal capacity is limited, but surely you must be able to follow this simple logical reasoning.

You use this bad logic constantly. I agree that she's most likely ESTj, but you can't say that we know she isn't one thing therefore she must be the other. We don't know squat. Has anyone here actually met her? No. Is anyone here related to her? No. Is there some physical objective 100% accurate test available that she's taken? No.

[machintruc]

I changed my mind : she looks somewhat ESI-ish, because she's myersian ISTJ.

But I agree with LSE.

Besides, her is clear. She looks soft rather than hard, then >.

[machintruc]

I know that your intellecutal capacity is limited, but surely you must be able to follow this simple logical reasoning.

And I know that you're projecting your limited intellectual capacity.

[Phaedrus]

You use this bad logic constantly.

It's not bad logic. It is perfectly valid logic. If you don't understand that, well ...

I agree that she's most likely ESTj, but you can't say that we know she isn't one thing therefore she must be the other.

Of course I can. I just did. And the logic is indisputable.

We don't know squat. Has anyone here actually met her? No. Is anyone here related to her? No. Is there some physical objective 100% accurate test available that she's taken? No.

So, you are blind, is that it? You can't see that she is an EJ? Well, in that case I can't help you. If you don't see it, you don't see it. But then maybe you should keep silent and hopefully learn something instead.

[Phaedrus]

I changed my mind : she looks somewhat ESI-ish, because she's myersian ISTJ.

Now, you will shut up and stop spreading this total crap, you moron. She is not an ISTJ.

[Phaedrus]

Phaddy, not everyone's brain is like yours and if you don't understand and respect that, then i really think you should try to.

I understand it, but I don't respect it.

[machintruc]

I understand it, but I don't respect it.

Why are you so narrow-minded ?

[Phaedrus]

Why are you so narrow-minded ?

Why shold you bother to open your eyes more than necessary, especially if you're always right?

[machintruc]

Why shold you bother to open your eyes more than necessary, especially if you're always right?

I've never said that I was always right. Stop being paranoid.

[Phaedrus]

I've never said that I was always right. Stop being paranoid.

I meant that I am always right -- not you of course. Funny guy ...

[machintruc]

I meant that I am always right -- not you of course. Funny guy ...

That's why I hate ILI's. They think they're always fuckin' right.

[Phaedrus]

That's why I hate ILI's. They think they're always fuckin' right.

Yes, a correct observation. Ironically, not many people seem to understand that aspect of the ILI type as correctly as you do.

[eunice]

She's overrated and boring.

EDIT: After posting here, I went on to read the rest of the posts and realize that she is unanimously typed as an ESTj. lol. Well, she could be a Te-ESTj.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I liked her in the movie of rocky horror

[machintruc]

She's overrated and boring.

EDIT: After posting here, I went on to read the rest of the posts and realize that she is unanimously typed as an ESTj. lol. Well, she could be a Te-ESTj.

All Deltas are boring

Besides, Sarandon is E1. All Ones are boring bureaucrats.

[jessica129]

Susan Sarandon is great.

[Phaedrus]

All Ones are boring bureaucrats.

Correct.

[reyn_til_runa]

Yes, a correct observation. Ironically, not many people seem to understand that aspect of the ILI type as correctly as you do.

i doubt it. there are facts which can be known, sure, but ideas can only be built upon in, weighed against each other, strategically combined to form the most accurate representation possible. but there is always room, even with the most brilliant minds, for error. the picture will never be complete or perfect because it is a matter of changing perspective. can you think of many scientific discoveries that were accurately/completely understood the first time around and not later revised?

so, im naturally averse to thinking i have understood it all. to proclaim my corrrectness and close my mind to another's perspective or evidence is foolish because it limits intellectual curiosity and growth. if you look at the negative space, there is a certain limitlessness to truth, as it emerges, and to what can be understood as a whole.

and i thought ILIs were prone to see whats missing or to at least search for what needs to be corrected.

[eunice]

All Deltas are boring

-1

Anybody who writes offensive descriptions of socionics types is.

[Phaedrus]

It's ok, I don't think it's ILIs, really.........just Phaedrus.

That's right. There is only one ILI in the world -- me. It's the rarest of all types.

[aestrivex]

bumped because this thread was lost in a sea of phaedrus

[Wittmont]

i find her ridiculously attractive.

Yup, me too. So much so I am surprised she seems to be typed as my conflictor. I have never ever felt even a hint of annoyance with her or her style. That doesn't necessarily say much of course.

[machintruc]

On the other hand, she may be SLI. She's not really rigid. Some SLI's look rational.

[Hitta]

I'm sick of all the I don't like you because you are a certain type bullshit. That constantly plagues this forums like a basketball size kidney stone. Who the fuck cares what type Phaedrus is or what type he thinks he is? I wish the shit would just die. All the shit stems from a misinterpretation of socionics and the types in general.

[wacey]

Can really relate to this woman.

[Sol]

ENFJ

[golden]

I get compared to her frequently. Use that information wisely, my friends.