LSEs are driven by practical realities and are proponents of a rational society pursuing achievable goals.Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan
Jadae wouldn't know a practical reality if it crashed into him mid-air whilst skydiving. He'd try to 'bond' with it instead and upon discovering that large dangerous objects don't care he would label it 'evil' and 'nasty'.
That's fair and he is.
He likes projects and in his given profession, just like a typical LSE he is given and takes up projects; where Te comes into play is that he's good at sizing up a situation, whether that be about food, about his chosen profession, about anything he wants to do for others, and and he sets goals "ok, this is what we're going to do." He's action driven. Being able to think fast and clearly he is able to set the motions unlike myself and provide what to do. His integrity and work ethic is such that he will do the job correctly; he's a caretaker, protector, guardian, traditionalist who talks about what to do to protect me, who makes sure I eat what I'm not eating because he watches and sees, guards from excessive energy usage (is one example). His Te comes into play with him being lawful, rule abiding, objective, and fair and he know and does exactly what he needs to to accomplish these end means. He knows a lot of facts in the things he's interested in, is extremely accurate; he has no problem standing up to authority and has a good amount of aggressiveness locked in behind his welcoming demeanor.
This is hard for you to see since most of the time spent here he's relaxing and having fun. We should be just opposites in this area, where I'm stiff and serious, he needs to act in such a way where it brings me humor, ease. I do the same for him in the areas where he is stiff and serious. It's a great balance.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
That was a close call, I almost threw up for a minute there at the love in. Then I saw The Secretary 'food control' reference and burst out laughing.
Sorry to break it to you but once reality and your imagination reconcile you're going to get whiplash.
I don't understand what you mean. Point out someone who you think is an LSE and maybe I can try to see your perspective.
He's a typical LSE because he looks for consistency in others, he watches all the time, and reads people's behavioral patterns, makes predictions about what they will DO next and is sometimes right sometimes not, we all are about equal in this regard, some better than others.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Here's a classic: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Director-Abbie
Shame he hasn't been able to look for consistency in his own actions and beliefs if he's really all about 'rulez' in real life but wants people to obey only 'his rulez' here. But I guess that's what you get with pretentious bullshitters.
It's not makes sure in terms of controlling my choices; it's more about pointing out to me "you don't eat enough of x, you should take this." suggestions, but any suggestion to me from someone who consider to be right, is more of a "do this it's better for you" and I get that from my mom who is very controlling about what I eat; I think the way in which I expressed that was inaccurate, but the general meaning is still valid.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Are you sure it's not a consensus based on rules that are reasonable? I don't know why you're still upset; and you can't let go of your emotions easily, it seems.
I type Abbie SEE; I'll give you my reasoning in private, if you with otherwise I'm not going over it here.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I think you expressed it exactly as you intended (as always) and you then want to counter-rationalize something more wholesome to how you ideally want it to be.
Internal and external consistency is a matter of character which Jadae does not have. I call a spade a spade; if I happened to cross Jadae in real life I would fire him because he is all personality and no character; a broken used car salesman or a second rate politician at best.
I have never met an LSE in my life who is willing to wobble their morals because it is socially convenient. Remember that Director Abbie link above? There's an LSE, someone who puts their money where their mouth is. I've met LSEs who are dedicated capitalists, some who are dedicated socialists, but none who were into playing social approval games and pandering to convenient easy solutions.
Maritsa, you can't type. This has been already been established based on numerous threads where challenged you simply cannot provide an analytical proof with the appropriate caveats. Bare physiognamy is not typing. So don't send me a damned thing because it would be a waste of my time.
no I counter-rationalized it to how reality is because I first see things through ideally.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
there are many traces of frustration + rejection triads in your description of self so I would guess Ni-EIE 8w7 (the ****** subtype)
I can get behind that.
8w7, though? Hmm. I'm not sure I'm aggressive enough to be an 8. I can certainly stand my ground when needs be, though I'm not an outright asshat.
I like this word.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
'Assburgers' is another nice word containing 'ass'.
I like to deploy it in order to make fun of Aspies.
LOL
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Come on then, Maritsa.
What type of sensor am I?
Hey man, I like your responses and my best guess as to your type would be ILI. The most obvious strength you have according to your self description is introverted intuition. Ni has been linked to imagination, ideology, 'time' (as in a subjective sense of the evolution of people, places, and things in time), as well as a sense of 'just knowing' and the ability to piece things together beyond the sum of its parts. This all seems exemplified very well in your responses and way of seeing things. I can also see weak sensing (ex. weak Se - Basically, I never have been (nor will I ever be) somebody who is comfortable marching up to another individual and demanding things), and you mentioned identifying with weak Si so we can put you in as an intuitive, most likely Ni valuing/ego, which puts you at either Beta or Gamma. You don't seem to be motivated by outside stimulus predominantly, and have a preference for inaction. I would put you as IP temperment. If you were to be of another temperament, I find it doubtful it would be EJ as this seems to be the antithetical to your natural way of being. This would then come down to IEI or ILI - I find it difficult to see any sort of Fe valuing in yours posts, but I do see examples of de-valuing/not being adept at it it (ex. I just don’t show it because… meh, emotions./ I am not comfortable with emotions or the displaying of them). Fe is generally has to do with an objects emotional sphere and being ambivalent about that as well as uncomfortable with its expression strikes me as being odd for an Fe ego - they should be particularly adept and interested in influencing emotional spheres.
I think some people might type you as an Fe ego because of your description of being a good mediator of people/moods, but for those that aren't aware, mood falls into the realm of Ni and is different then an emotion - the description itself lends to describe someone adept at mood management but not emotional which could very well fit Te PoLR. There's also other general stuff about people seeing you as being cold and distant, you generally being a calm person, specifying that you were spiritual and not religious, the things you like to talk about, as well as the overall tone in your post that strike me as logical over ethical as well as fitting ILI. The use of Fi is has a 'heavier' quality to it here that gives me a sense that is a valued function as it is peppered through your posts in a way that I have seen from other Gamma NT's but not from Beta NF's.
(Sidenote: Te is external dynamics of objects, its been linked to things such as effectiveness, productivity, and efficiency, usefulness, all things you seem to have an awareness of. One thing that shows me this is that in that car example, you seemed to focus on what to do in these terms vs 'using' or directing the people's heightened emotions somewhere which to me could indicate a preference for it. You also filtered out your self-description in terms of what would be useful for typing, as well as conveying confidence in knowing what to do when someone is stressed out which all potentially indicate Te>Fe)
Hopefully that helps at all, if it doesn't here are some other links that I have found useful:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...gustinaviciute
(Illustrates differences between E/I, N/S, T/F, J/P)
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Dmitry-Golihov
(Illustrates differences of IE's in different functional spots)
http://www.socionics.us/works/gulenk...cenarios.shtml
(Communication styles)
Long Type Descriptions (A little tough to read given the rough translations, but informative)
http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...atievskaya_IEI
http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...atievskaya_EIE
http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...atievskaya_ILI
As far as enneagram goes, there is a degree of correlation between that and socionics and would be very interested in knowing how you feel you fit 5. I have found that 3's are typically EIE-Fe, while the EIE-Ni's seem to fall into 4 or 6. IEI's also typically fit 4. 5's are usually ILI's or LII's. That's about all I got for now.
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" isand not
According to the test you took, you're more of an Ne, why would you say S?Come on then, Maritsa.
What type of sensor am I?
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I seem to identify with IEI much more than EIE, yet people insist on labeling me an extravert (based on one video, it would appear).
If you can enlighten me as to why an 'extravert' would much prefer solitude over interaction with others' / massively appreciate time to him/herself to reflect and unwind 100% of the time, perhaps I'll be better able to understand these silly accusations. Quite frankly, it's frustrating. Perhaps the fact that I obviously give so much weight to the opinions of others' is somewhat condemning, though.
I think there's also a trend (elsewhere - not here) to keep people away from typing as anything considered 'rare', because oh no, we must defend our unique identities (or something equally ridiculous). Are there any video chats / audio chats to be had around these parts? I'd be ok-ish joining in on the funz, I guess.
Sometimes*, I really hate people.
*At least all of the fucking time.
to what extent do you think socionics introversion/extroversion is defined by one's sociability?
there is a tinychat, sometimes rooms change but this one should be the most recent one: http://tinychat.com/chickenshackAre there any video chats / audio chats to be had around these parts? I'd be ok-ish joining in on the funz, I guess.
Not at all, in truth; I'm well aware that having an extraverted dominant function doesn't necessitate gregariousness. Regardless, it appears to be a widely held belief that dominant Fe = massive socialite, or (at the very least) someone who absolutely loves being around people, sharing / caring and all that fluffy horseshit.
I dig interpersonal harmony and the like, but only because happy people are efficient people. Emotional imbalance(s) which create disharmony (in the workplace, for e.g.) is too much like hard work. I like it when people just shut the fuck up and get on with one another. It makes life that little bit easier for everyone.
Cheers.there is a tinychat, sometimes rooms change but this one should be the most recent one: http://tinychat.com/chickenshack
I'll drop in when I'm less tired.
This just in: my fiancee read some descriptions 'n' shit. Apparently I'm "Definitely an IEI, not an EIE".
Yes, dear.
A little premature, perhaps.
"Slowly slowly catch-ie monkey".
Not true. I've type both EIE and ESE who are anti social, who make their value judgements on material observations of human social activity, such as making assessments through reading books.
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I know - I was disagreeing with a commonly held belief; we're on the same page.
Cheers.
Introspection Hell
you can check in, but never check out.
I keep sending a probe down into my psyche, hoping in vain that it'll return with some incredible insight, some golden nugget of self knowledge.
Instead, I get this:
[deleted - much introspection required]
Last edited by pmj; 03-21-2013 at 05:13 PM.
Plenty has already been said on the subject so I'm not going to go on and on, just say my 2 cents. It's clear as day to me you're an IEI.
Valued | Devalued
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I wish I could say the same
CW is an IEI, right?
Sorted
I almost forgot:
Actually, very little has been said; I've had a few insightful (and very much appreciated) responses, but much of the previous discussion within this thread wasn't at all relating to myself... or if it was, it wasn't all that productive ;p
[EDIT] Ignore that - I just reread the first page. Actually, there was a lot of discussion pertaining to my possible type.
Short term memory really isn't my thing.
Last edited by pmj; 03-21-2013 at 09:15 AM.
Thanks to all for the input. As I mentioned earlier, it's greatly appreciated. I think I'll have to go with EIE or IEI.
I shall now back away slowly and exit stage left - I need space to breathe and grow. Constant introspection is driving me up the bastarding wall.
Cheers, and take care
Confirmed MBTI INFJ, so IEI sounds about right I guess.
Good times.
Nope, fucked it.
ENTj. Ignore anything I said prior. I was depressed as fuck.
I've been typed professionally twice as INTJ (MBTI, that is) but, again, I was typed whilst depressed. Both practitioners were quick to pick up on my Te however, and I've since realised that I quickly wither and die if I'm not busy / surrounded by people. I'm an extravert for sure - just not a very social one, because most people piss me off.
Anyway, Hi all. Hope everyone is well.
Sidenote: I expressed myself a great deal more coherently before kids. Heh.
"Confirmed MBTI INFJ, so IEI sounds about right I guess."
The force of ENFJ I suspect in you. A video should you make to check it.
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