Relations outside of one's quadra

[The_Outsider]

Even with the knowledge of socionics, I still have problems dealing with personalities that are not in my quadra. Such as my benefactor or conflictor, how does one go about using that knowledge to make relations with all personality types beneficial?

[mikemex]

It is not possible because you can't control your own mind in full. The best use of socionics is to promote beneficial relationships and avoid the negative ones.

[DirectorAbbie]

Even with the knowledge of socionics, I still have problems dealing with personalities that are not in my quadra. Such as my benefactor or conflictor, how does one go about using that knowledge to make relations with all personality types beneficial?

Strange...I only have problems with Betas.

[The_Outsider]

It is not possible because you can't control your own mind in full. The best use of socionics is to promote beneficial relationships and avoid the negative ones.

I agree, that approach makes the most sense.

Strange...I only have problems with Betas.

I find Betas do give me the most problems, Alpha rationals give me some problems and Gammas I am fine with and Alpha irrationals I am fine with as well.

[Jarno]

It is not possible because you can't control your own mind in full. The best use of socionics is to promote beneficial relationships and avoid the negative ones.

Yep, I agree.

People claiming to be able to manipulate relations and people with the knowledge of socionics are usually wrong.

firstly, because when you manipulate, you aren't your true self anymore, which creates akward situations instead of obtaining the preferred outcome.

secondly, interaction will always be in accordonance with socionics.

When you promote beneficial relationship and avoid the negative ones, you are already getting a high rentability out of you socionics knowledge.

Other ways of gaining advantage is letting the right types do the right jobs for you. Like asking an SEI to decorate your house, and an LSI to fill in you tax papers. It's not always perfect, but in the long term, you will outperform 'random choices'.

[jughead]

need to get better at typing then or give my plumber a lot of tests... so does this sli desciption sound right??
I would like to see what other tasks you would assign to types, especially iei....

[Ms. Kensington]

well having problems with them and making them beneficial are different things.

i still have problems with gamma my opposing quadra, but i try to make my ISFj coworker useful by asking her for information she likely has, such as where to get an item in the area. I have asked an ENTj how to be efficient with my finances..

[RSV3]

It is not possible because you can't control your own mind in full. The best use of socionics is to promote beneficial relationships and avoid the negative ones.

Yes.

Strange...I only have problems with Betas.

Actually, your result is not strange at all. Deltas having issues with betas is to be expected; i.e., when there are no shared value functions between persons, the likelihood of misunderstanding and conflict increases considerably.

[Slacker]

You can get along with people better, but only if your relationship is very superficial anyway. Like I do occasional volunteer work for an LSI. I know to tone things down and therefore I get along with her better than I have with other LSIs, but she and I will never be friends, and if I saw her more it would all fall apart. I partially have to grit my teeth during my occasional volunteering.

[Jarno]

need to get better at typing then or give my plumber a lot of tests... so does this sli desciption sound right??
I would like to see what other tasks you would assign to types, especially iei....

IEI is easy, they are extremely fast aware of psychological problems and behaviours in people. They have this almost 6th sense of what is going on with people. They are best as some sort of psychologist, therapist, counseler. And they also usually excel at making poems :-)

They might be fitted for journalism, and helping out poor/disordered people or something like that.

[Slacker]

IEI is easy, they are extremely fast aware of psychological problems and behaviours in people. They have this almost 6th sense of what is going on with people. They are best as some sort of psychologist, therapist, counseler. And they also usually excel at making poems :-)

They might be fitted for journalism, and helping out poor/disordered people or something like that.

Other than the poetry thing, you could just as easily be describing an IEE, you know, The Psychologist.

[redbaron]

Other than the poetry thing, you could just as easily be describing an IEE, you know, The Psychologist.

I was thinking the same thing.

[Jarno]

Yes that's true.

But I was saying which type of profession/job they are suited for.

ENFP and INFP are both good psychologists/counselers etc.

Like INTP and ENTP are both good at computer programming.

Types overlap in that regard, that shouldn't be surprising?

[Slacker]

Yes that's true.

But I was saying which type of profession/job they are suited for.

ENFP and INFP are both good psychologists/counselers etc.

Like INTP and ENTP are both good at computer programming.

Types overlap in that regard, that shouldn't be surprising?

It just isn't a very good description of an IEI because it sounds too much like an IEE. It sounds more IEE than IEI.

[Jarno]

It just isn't a very good description of an IEI because it sounds too much like an IEE. It sounds more IEE than IEI.

What task/job do you think would be good for an IEI?

[Creepy-Cyclops]

IEI's imo make good councillors and psychologists, therapists, that sort of thing. They make good editors as they often have a flair for writing, which in turn leads to journalism.

IEE's can be good at this as well, but they are better at reporting the news, and the IEI's tend to be better at writing the news.

[meatburger]

It is not possible because you can't control your own mind in full. The best use of socionics is to promote beneficial relationships and avoid the negative ones.

Good Call

What task/job do you think would be good for an IEI?

I think the jobs you said are good, along with nurse and carer, HR, teacher and many others. IEI's are better with people than me because they never seem to dislike anyone. I constantly dislike and are annoyed by many lol. I mean i know an IEI that constantly hangs around my friends ESTj, ENTj, INTp, INFj, and me. I couldn't do that with my equivilent intertype relationships. I think she was just blessed with a supremely chilled out personality or something.

I find all types bareable to deal with though, i just like to stick with my own quadra.

[1981slater]

As an ENTp, I get along very well with my comparatives (ENFps) and illusionaries (INFps) and well with my lookalikes (ESTps) and semiduals (ISTps). I have a fine relationship with Beta and delta rationals and I am at war with almost very gamma I know (it's their fault though!!, they bring hostility to every place they are).

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I think the jobs you said are good, along with nurse and carer, HR, teacher and many others. IEI's are better with people than me because they never seem to dislike anyone. I constantly dislike and are annoyed by many lol. I mean i know an IEI that constantly hangs around my friends ESTj, ENTj, INTp, INFj, and me. I couldn't do that with my equivilent intertype relationships. I think she was just blessed with a supremely chilled out personality or something.

Yeah I agree. Overall, INFp's are usually easier to get on with for most peoples than ENFp's.

[meatburger]

Yeah I agree. Overall, INFp's are usually easier to get on with for most peoples than ENFp's.

I think its partially to do with the focus on vs . INFp's are happy just as long as the group is happy and the individual relationships aren't as important. For me, everything is personal

[redbaron]

I do feel like I like everyone. And I really wanted to be an editor! But when I graduated, the only jobs available were for people with 5 years experience. So I ended up in temp work which turned into a permanent position in a different field. oh well.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I think its partially to do with the focus on vs . INFp's are happy just as long as the group is happy and the individual relationships aren't as important. For me, everything is personal

Yeah this is a good call. I also have a sneaky suspicion that their Ni lets them see possible future scenarios, so when that goes into their Fe they are also pretty good at negotiating people situations - relationship pitfalls (with relationship don't necessarily mean with the dating, just all situations with folks in general)

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I do feel like I like everyone. And I really wanted to be an editor! But when I graduated, the only jobs available were for people with 5 years experience. So I ended up in temp work which turned into a permanent position in a different field. oh well.

I wish I was that guy with the motorbike you spoke about before *swoons*

[redbaron]

I wish I was that guy with the motorbike you spoke about before *swoons*

[meatburger]

Yeah this is a good call. I also have a sneaky suspicion that their Ni lets them see possible future scenarios, so when that goes into their Fe they are also pretty good at negotiating people situations - relationship pitfalls (with relationship don't necessarily mean with the dating, just all situations with folks in general)

Yeah. Fucken INFp's. They even make me love them. Little buggers

[redbaron]

Yeah. Fucken INFp's. They even make me love them. Little buggers

we love you all. it's our secret weapon.

[meatburger]

we love you all. it's our secret weapon.

P.S Sorry about the previous broken link. My puter sploded.

[Satan]

we love you all. it's our secret weapon.

it's not really very secret

[redbaron]

it's not really very secret

not anymore, you're right.

[Satan]

not anymore, you're right.

and it's more like a defect

[redbaron]

and it's more like a defect

why, cause now the secret's out?

[Satan]

why, cause now the secret's out?

love is a risk .. the more you do it .. the more likely you are to get hurt ...

[Khola aka Bee]

I do feel like I like everyone. And I really wanted to be an editor! But when I graduated, the only jobs available were for people with 5 years experience. So I ended up in temp work which turned into a permanent position in a different field. oh well.

This is really interesting as I actually work within an editing sort of role. My work encompasses typesetting, proof reading, design and helping others around the office with formatting. I really love it.

In my spare time I tend to write quite a lot, but you guys don't see that so often as you see my paintings/drawings. I actually write almost every single day and I currently have two novels in the pipelines, as well as several blogs and general meanderings on life and human interaction in my personal life. I'm also really looking forward to an upcoming party, as I've been thinking a lot on creationism vs. magic vs. darwinism lately and I'm so ready to wax lyrical over a few beers with a couple of my fave ST and NT types.

I'm just working on ironing out a few interpersonal social interactions between a few of us now (finally with some success) and hoping the party will create some harmony and balance within the group again, in a few weeks' time.

Anyway, I'm moving away from my original point.....you pretty much summed up my job. If I wasn't doing this I would most definitely want to be either furthering my education in design and writing or studying psychology.

[redbaron]

love is a risk .. the more you do it .. the more likely you are to get hurt ...

true enough. why the tiny type?

[Satan]

true enough. why the tiny type?

i'm experimenting with emphasis

[redbaron]

This is really interesting as I actually work within an editing sort of role. My work encompasses typesetting, proof reading, design and helping others around the office with formatting. I really love it.

In my spare time I tend to write quite a lot, but you guys don't see that so often as you see my paintings/drawings. I actually write almost every single day and I currently have two novels in the pipelines, as well as several blogs and general meanderings on life and human interaction in my personal life. I'm also really looking forward to an upcoming party, as I've been thinking a lot on creationism vs. magic vs. darwinism lately and I'm so ready to wax lyrical over a few beers with a couple of my fave ST and NT types.

I'm just working on ironing out a few interpersonal social interactions between a few of us now (finally with some success) and hoping the party will create some harmony and balance within the group again, in a few weeks' time.

Anyway, I'm moving away from my original point.....you pretty much summed up my job. If I wasn't doing this I would most definitely want to be either furthering my education in design and writing or studying psychology.

In high school I wanted to be a psychologist. I also studied design and photography in college. So it sounds like we have quite a few overlapping interests. I keep a blog also. And I do some writing but it's more short story-ish and nothing as huge as a novel. Your job sounds very cool!

[redbaron]

i'm experimenting with emphasis

very effective. I like it.

[Satan]

very effective. I like it.

y'know the people who i've had the clearest interactions with have been girls who can do fine movements, and who tend to push me into my big emphatic movements...

in a way, by doing small controlled movements a lot of leverage can be had

[redbaron]

y'know the people who i've had the clearest interactions with have been girls who can do fine movements, and who tend to push me into my big emphatic movements...

in a way, by doing small controlled movements a lot of leverage can be had

hmm, interesting. It seems like SLEs and IEIs do work this way (I'm not saying you're necessarily SLE, just that it does seems like that's how they interact, often).

[Satan]

hmm, interesting. It seems like SLEs and IEIs do work this way (I'm not saying you're necessarily SLE, just that it does seems like that's how they interact, often).

oh often i don't really interact with people