Might as well

[momental]

So. I've decided to branch off into the world of Socionics. Hmmmm... So I'll start describing.

I am loud. I can't be quiet, I've tried. I love scheming, making a plan is a beautiful thing actually implementing the plan is not always the goal. I would say that I am straightforward, but can be gentle in my manner. I do not aim to be impolite... I just can sound like that at times....... Yeah, I don't know where else to go with this. Perhaps I could mention my need for introspection, but action is far more important.

Ask me stuff. I'll try to answer.

[DirectorAbbie]

Extrovert. Intuitive. Probably logical. ILE?

[momental]

Extrovert. Intuitive. Probably logical. ILE?

I usually vary between feeling like an ILE and an ILI. The loudness isn't so much a personality trait as a physical impairment, and not so much a crutch as it is who I am by design.

[Beautiful sky]

What do you mean by you're loud? Describe a situation where this happens.

[momental]

What do you mean by you're loud? Describe a situation where this happens.

When I speak? I suppose I'm just a loud person... I can't whisper.

[fairylights]

So you make plans that you don't want to implement but you're still action oriented? How?

[momental]

So you make plans that you don't want to implement but you're still action oriented? How?

It's more of making the plans and then determining after a certain amount of creation to select the appropriate one to act upon. The quicker between the creation and action taken the better . Not all plans are created equal.

[momental]

So, I have effectively killed off all input. LIE it is.

[DirectorAbbie]

When I speak? I suppose I'm just a loud person... I can't whisper.

My LII brother knows how to be quiet, but it's like it takes too much concentration. I've needed to keep reminding him that we are in a library, he's standing one foot from my ears, or people are trying to sleep.

[fairylights]

So do you want more input or not?

Anyway, I found @Traveler's questions helpful in my thread, so here they are with a couple of additions of my own.

1. What kind of lifestyle do you have?
2. Do you enjoy debating and what kind of topics do you prefer to discuss?
3. How would you describe your overall behavior around others?
4. What do you like about the people you like and dislike about the people you dislike?

[momental]

So do you want more input or not?

Anyway, I found @Traveler's questions helpful in my thread, so here they are with a couple of additions of my own.

1. What kind of lifestyle do you have?
2. Do you enjoy debating and what kind of topics do you prefer to discuss?
3. How would you describe your overall behavior around others?
4. What do you like about the people you like and dislike about the people you dislike?

Number one. Lifestyle..... My lifestyle tends to be a little slower paced than most. I work and go to school and enjoy the company of only a few people. Most of my time alone, though not much, is spent in quiet reflection figuring out what I need to be in order to succeed in whatever I may attempt.

The second... I do enjoy debating. What do I enjoy debating? Everything.

Thirdly, I'd say that I would promote an atmosphere of debate where people can speak, be criticized and learn in a way that does not destroy their pride. Therefore my overall behavior is accepting of an idea, but critical in its analyzation.

Finally. People are full of information and ideas and I can extract from them this information, but they get in the way......

Perhaps these answers helped? Input is always welcome.

[momental]

My LII brother knows how to be quiet, but it's like it takes too much concentration. I've needed to keep reminding him that we are in a library, he's standing one foot from my ears, or people are trying to sleep.

In those instances I could easily not speak, I can remain silent for great periods of time. I do try respect other peoples boundaries.

[Absurd]

So, I have effectively killed off all input. LIE it is.

Go with LIE. Gamma needs numbers for what it going to hit them.

[FDG]

Almost surely extraverte logical intuitive type. LIE more likely than ILE.

[Absurd]

Almost surely extraverte logical intuitive type. LIE more likely than ILE.

I'm the best.

[fen]

Se/Ni > Ne/Si it seems. I think LIE could make sense.

[momental]

Thank you all for your assistance. I will choose LIE.

[Beautiful sky]

Why did you choose LIE?

[momental]

Why did you choose LIE?

Why should I not?

[Beautiful sky]

Why should I not?

For what reasons do you type yourself LIE?

[momental]

For what reasons do you type yourself LIE?

You asked that already... Why do you think I shouldn't be an LIE?

[Beautiful sky]

I'm just trying to get what pieces of information you relate with that convinced you you should choose LIE. I don't have an opinion on your type yet.

[momental]

I'm just trying to get what pieces of information you relate with that convinced you you should choose LIE. I don't have an opinion on your type yet.

If this is an accurate description of the LIE: (http://personalitycafe.com/entj-arti...socionics.html). Then I believe to be 100% positive in my decision.

[Beautiful sky]

well, why don't you show any excitement to be here? You don't show any emotionality at all.

[momental]

well, why don't you show any excitement to be here? You don't show any emotionality at all.

You could blame my emotionless attitude on my intuitive subtype.

[EyeSeeCold]

Why should I not?

You asked that already... Why do you think I shouldn't be an LIE?

These are fallacious rebuttals and have caused a circular logic loop.

You may:
1.) Answer the question as asked
2.) Leave it alone

[momental]

These are fallacious rebuttals and have caused a circular logic loop.

You may:
1.) Answer the question as asked
2.) Leave it alone

She did not answer the question I posed and repeated herself, can I not do the same?

[EyeSeeCold]

She did not answer the question I posed and repeated herself, can I not do the same?

Of course. Though it's immature to knowingly keep it up instead of just answering the question or leaving it alone.

I'm interested in why you think LIE(plus intuitive subtype) as well.

[fairylights]

They contain no false information, ergo they can't be fallacious.

But they aren't particularly useful either.

[momental]

Of course. Though it's immature to knowingly keep it up instead of just answering the question or leaving it alone.

I'm interested in why you think LIE(plus intuitive subtype) as well.

I could see it being immature, but she is asking why, which I believe suggests a kind of doubt. I could have misinterpreted that, but if she has doubt then there is a reason why there is doubt and thus means that she believes she has a kind of evidence to validate the doubt and I was asking why she thought I shouldn't be an ENTj to see if the evidence was strong enough for me to not be one.

I have posted the link to the ENTj, and have read the description of the logical sub-type and find it too chaotic. Why you are curious is the very same situation.

[Beautiful sky]

My questions aren't "useful"? By what standard or measure?

[fairylights]

My questions aren't "useful"? By what standard or measure?

I meant MrRTR's questions. Sorry for the miscommunication.

[Beautiful sky]

You could blame my emotionless attitude on my intuitive subtype.

The opposite of intuition isn't feeling.

[momental]

The opposite of intuition isn't feeling.

I don't think you are understanding me. The description of the intuitive sub-type is much calmer than the logical one and I fit the first better than the second therefore I appear less emotionless. I am not saying that the emotion is opposite to intuition, I am saying that the enthusiasm marked by the ENTJ is cut from me somewhat because of my sub-type.

[EyeSeeCold]

I could see it being immature, but she is asking why, which I believe suggests a kind of doubt. I could have misinterpreted that, but if she has doubt then there is a reason why there is doubt and thus means that she believes she has a kind of evidence to validate the doubt and I was asking why she thought I shouldn't be an ENTj to see if the evidence was strong enough for me to not be one.

I see. Though you really didn't give much information for anyone to have any substantial evidence against any type.

I have posted the link to the ENTj, and have read the description of the logical sub-type and find it too chaotic. Why you are curious is the very same situation.

Alright. There are a few versions of subtypes floating around, so it might not be a good idea to conclude that so quickly.

[Beautiful sky]

Perhaps I could mention my need for introspection, but action is far more important.

Sounds introverted.

It's more of making the plans and then determining after a certain amount of creation to select the appropriate one to act upon. The quicker between the creation and action taken the better . Not all plans are created equal.

You should try Si because it's a function that devalues Se and it tends to get things done quicker or with less energy and emotion.

Number one. Lifestyle..... My lifestyle tends to be a little slower paced than most. I work and go to school and enjoy the company of only a few people. Most of my time alone, though not much, is spent in quiet reflection figuring out what I need to be in order to succeed in whatever I may attempt.

introversion. removes the person from contact with objects to think and reflect upon things.

[momental]

I see. Though you really didn't give much information for anyone to have any substantial evidence against any type.

Alright. There are a few versions of subtypes floating around, so it might not be a good idea to conclude that so quickly.

This is what I was using to decide my subtype: http://personalitycafe.com/entj-arti...cionics-3.html

Others have been able to discern to a rather positive degree my type. What else should I put, I will gladly answer more questions . Though this seems to be kind of hypocritical, perhaps I just need more specific question to answer. I did post the link to what I believe is a good description of ENTj that I agree with, another that I think describes me to a T is this description of the Jungian (though descriptions do not carry over completely) version: http://www.bestfittype.com/entj.html

[momental]

Sounds introverted.



You should try Si because it's a function that devalues Se and it tends to get things done quicker or with less energy and emotion.




introversion. removes the person from contact with objects to think and reflect upon things.

Introspection is not reserved for the introvert, yes an introversion means abstraction, but if action is prioritized before introspection does that not mean an extroverted function is also preferred before?

[Beautiful sky]

Introspection is not reserved for the introvert, yes an introversion means abstraction, but if action is prioritized before introspection does that not mean an extroverted function is also preferred before?

no; one needs to be away from object to abstract things; quiet time alone and without contact from people should do that.

[momental]

no; one needs to be away from object to abstract things; quiet time alone and without contact from people should do that.

I know. I am going to try one last time to explain what I am saying, in an attempt to believe that I have been misspeaking. I am not denying the fact that introversion removes the object from its external space and collects what it believes to be most important. I am saying that introspection does not inherently mean introvert, it means introverted function. I prefer action in the outside world meaning even though I enjoy introspecting I do not do so in my surrounding environment until I have acquired enough static information. This meaning I have in the very least Xe-Xi as an order.