Is there "the most gamma alpha" or "the most beta delta" for example?

[717495]

I mean, is that idea even possible? Or are alphas just alphas and a certain type wouldn't have a tendency to act like another quadra. I think it could be quite possible and could happen with a few types, but I can't put my finger on the explanation because all the functions positions are mirrored and there's no reference point. What do you think? Explain why not, or fill out some answers on this form and explain why you think this type is like that:

Most Beta Alpha:
Most Gamma Alpha:
Most Delta Alpha:
Most Alpha Beta:
Most Gamma Beta:
Most Delta Beta:
Most Alpha Gamma:
Most Beta Gamma:
Most Delta Gamma:
Most Alpha Delta:
Most Beta Delta:
Most Gamma Delta:

[1981slater]

most gamma-->beta: FDG

[Gilly]

I call most Alpha Beta

FDG is Gamma but he is probably the most Beta Gamma, so we have some crossover, heh.

[Gilly]

o.o, LSE? Interesting...I will think on this.

[Gilly]

I actually retract my previous claim; I am the most Delta Beta.

[Binky]

I actually retract my previous claim; I am the most Delta Beta.

No, starfall, redbaron, glam-0, and numbers all come before you. And probably others.

[Binky]

I am the most Alpha Gamma.

[717495]

I'm just referring to types. I couldn't give less a fuck about individuals.

[Gilly]

No, starfall, redbaron, glam-0, and numbers all come before you. And probably others.

Ok numbers I will give you. Redbaron perhaps, but I think thats mostly because shes older. Not glam; she is more alpha. Starfall is basically IEI concentrate.

[Gilly]

You cant always get what you want

[Warlord]

I'm just referring to types. I couldn't give less a fuck about individuals.

Yeah people resemble more the neighboring quadra that has their dominant function valued.

[Gilly]

Yeah people resemble more the neighboring quadra that has their dominant function valued.

I would say subtype matters more.

[Khola aka Bee]

I call most Alpha Beta

FDG is Gamma but he is probably the most Beta Gamma, so we have some crossover, heh.

So that makes me most Beta Alpha?

Certified 4w3 XEI-Fe fence-sitter.

[Tom]

Binky is definitely the most alpha gamma.

UDP is Alpha, period.

[FDG]

I'm not sure that I'm so extremely Ni subtype. I know some ENTjs that are more Ni than me, although atm I'm not sure if there are examples on the forum.

[Warlord]

i agree, because of POLR.

That's a good point. Although it might depend on if the person is more dominated by their dominant-function and DS or by avoiding their PoLR. Anyway I'm more in the favor of the subtypes resemble their mirror theory, than the other one.

So for example I would order gammas, from most beta to most delta:

SeFi-Se, NiTe-Ni
SeFi-Fi, NiTe-Te, TeNi-Ni, FiSe-Se
TeNi-Te, FiSe-Fi

Actually there might be no rule at all to this, so it just depends on the person and situation, what they resemble the most.

[Warlord]

supposing your own assumptions, why not J-subtype IP > P-subtype EJ?

I evened them on the same level, because of PoLR and because the difference is smaller.

[Tom]

Also, I am the most Alpha Delta.

Also, I am the ruler of the universe.

[717495]

I don't get it. What does POLR have to do with subtype?

[717495]

though everyone might not agree on the extent, might not your POLR (and the POLR you Dual-seek, in a sense -- also note what is required to keep Conflictors diametrically opposite) sour relationships with other types who have or Dual-seek your base?

Yes, of course the base function isn't necessarily the most valued. If the creative function is the most valued, it becomes the subtype, not the base. For one's strong tendency for their base wouldn't materialize a strong value for it, just as one's strong tendency for the Id functions wouldn't materialize a strong value for them.

[munenori2]

Also, I am the most Alpha Delta.

Also, I am the ruler of the universe.

Nope, Nurgle is like the most Beta Gamma. He's all like, "I'm the eternal decay and sickness of all organic existence so your can suck it. Also, I'm going to go ahead and take massive dumps on your as you now have super AIDS. Nurgle out!"

Then you die of super AIDS.

[crazedrat]

so here we have an alpha describing Ni as 'the eternal decay and bane of all life' or something like that

[Tom]

Nope, Nurgle is like the most Beta Gamma. He's all like, "I'm the eternal decay and sickness of all organic existence so your can suck it. Also, I'm going to go ahead and take massive dumps on your as you now have super AIDS. Nurgle out!"

Then you die of super AIDS.

Guess I'll have to turn to the god of retarded-looking chaos warriors to save myself, then!

Nurgle is the most delta delta. Period. He's all like "Grumble my little children, come to father Nurgle! I shall see my children grow and multiply to destroy the systems of the body and flourish in the networks of their dead veins. The bloated sacks of flesh shall contain my precious, poxish breed, and all life shall be equal in the vast pool of decay and death, which totally overruns with if you puny mortals haven't caught on yet."

riously.

[The Exception]

I want to know who is the

most alpha alpha
most beta beta
most gamma gamma
most delta delta

[electric sheep]

I want to know who is the

most alpha alpha
most beta beta
most gamma gamma
most delta delta

Should we hold elections?

[Cyrano]

I mean, is that idea even possible? Or are alphas just alphas and a certain type wouldn't have a tendency to act like another quadra. I think it could be quite possible and could happen with a few types, but I can't put my finger on the explanation because all the functions positions are mirrored and there's no reference point. What do you think? Explain why not, or fill out some answers on this form and explain why you think this type is like that:

Most Beta Alpha:
Most Gamma Alpha:
Most Delta Alpha:
Most Alpha Beta:
Most Gamma Beta:
Most Delta Beta:
Most Alpha Gamma:
Most Beta Gamma:
Most Delta Gamma:
Most Alpha Delta:
Most Beta Delta:
Most Gamma Delta:

I'm Delta Delta.

[The Exception]

Should we hold elections?

I nominate Coolanzon for the most alpha alpha but I don't think he'll accept.

[The Exception]

I often feel like a gamma-ish alpha for some reason.

[electric sheep]

I often feel like a gamma-ish alpha for some reason.

I agree. I think I'm more of a beta-ish alpha.

[suedehead]

Most Beta Alpha: Ti-ILE
Most Gamma Alpha:
Most Delta Alpha:
Most Alpha Beta: Fe-IEI
Most Gamma Beta:
Most Delta Beta:
Most Alpha Gamma:
Most Beta Gamma:
Most Delta Gamma: Te-LIE
Most Alpha Delta: Ne-IEE
Most Beta Delta: LSE
Most Gamma Delta: Te-SLI

[Xenith]

I think I might be pretty delta-ish for a beta, having been raised around deltas. I think this means I have used my super-ego functions a lot.

[chemical]

Based on http://www.socionics.us/theory/quadras.shtml
I have to say that it can only be degree of fit, not 100% fit to a quadra, except for some people. In reality people are a strange, giant combination of these pairings.
One has to go past tendency and into inherent valuation to even begin to isolate the final type.

As far as tendencies go, I think the intertype relations already get at this quite well, as these tend to point to the different attitudes people have about the different IE depending on their own IE.

The main thing to keep in mind with "the most X of the Y" is that this sort of thing probably happens when a type has to deal with a certain perspective it doesn't like to, and thus replaces one information element involved in that perspective with a preferable one.

So you could get a ESI who cannot deal with Ne/Ti who adopts a compromise, say given their least favorite here is Ne, they become more willing to entertain the Se/Ti point of view. It is less ethics-oriented, more logic-oriented.
This could bring about a relatively beta kind of delta.

This could also happen with a LII who finds the Se point of view unbearable and offsets it naturally with Ne, thus making allowance for the Fi-Ne point of view even if it isn't what they want to really focus on.

I don't think making a stable characterization will necessarily work though, namely making a stable statement that this type is truly the most beta of the delta's or such.

A general phenomenon though overall is that I can see with respect to one of the superego functions, seeking relief in a less difficult point of view, as well as with respect to one of the superid functions, being able to appreciate a viewpoint that is slightly different. This latter is the basis of the semi-duality idea for instance.

[chemical]

You could perhaps look at the DCNH system for this question actually, but the issue is it's unclear from an official standpoint to what extent you can just strengthen IE and arrive at the respective DCNH subtypes. You might need to strengthen them in specific ways (like not just strengthen Si/Ni for harmonizing, but do so towards aims that seem harmonizing-oriented).

There's also all the EM type business of tcaud which is unclear how much was derived in conjunction with Gulenko (who cares who derived what, if it adds and makes sense it's fair game).

I think much as with the original Jungian types, 4 functions being somewhat rankable in order of preference, you can have order of preference among the 4 quadras, but I'm not sure that is determined by your official type - it might just depend on an individual.