ILI or ILE?

[Whoobie77]

Hey guys. I've been studying socionics for about 6 months now. I'm pretty sure that my function order is Intuition base, Thinking creative, etc. I'm about 83% sure I'm a Ti-ILE, but...I'm still not totally clear about vs. , vs. , etc. An explanation of PolR vs PolR might help...

Anyways, here's the abridged list making the case for ILE.

ILE
-Procrastinator
-I act like an ADHD Inattentive kid coked up on pixie sticks half the time
-Nebulous Language
-I can charge people up like an extrovert (In Socratic debates, usually)
-Spiderwebby Thought Map
-Casual-Determinist Cognitive Style (Kurt Godel is my homie, yo)
-Weak Si (Like REALLY BAD)
-PolR more identifiable ("To be loved" makes more sense than "To love")
-Listening to confirmed INTps can be about as much fun as watching paint dry.
-THEORY THEORY THEORY
-I have no Fi-sense of shame (I ignore volume control, will dance like a spazz in front of crowds of people,etc.)
-Other people tell me I'm an Infantile (An EIE I was flirting with called me "A big kid")

The ILI one is weak sauce. Basically, why I think I might be ILI is that I can be
-cynical
-sarcastic
-a criticizer of other's best laid plans
-the VI stuff matches
-I test as ILI, and
-when I got into Socionics, I was SO DAMN SURE I was ILI. Now I'm confused

I can post my attitudes to the Reinin dichotomies, if anybody's interested. But I've rambled enough. I'm open to questions and other type suggestions as well, if you can back it up.

[Narc]

I thought Ne+Ti as soon as you used the word 'nebulous' and nothing else you wrote changed my mind.

[Beautiful sky]

everyone is confused at first glance...just hang around and watch people in quadras and interact with a few people (just don't date them or consider them to be your dual so fast ) and you'll figure it out.

[squirreltual]

I'm about 83% sure I'm a Ti-ILE.

The remaining 17% isn't worth getting hung up on for now

Spiderwebby

at all

a criticizer of other's best laid plans [devil's advocate]

as far as I can see.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Your posting style is obviously Fe-valuing bro.

INTps just don't talk like that. It's too gay and upbeat for them.

[Reficulris]

Way to gay


No, I agree with ILE. Not that I know anything about socionics, but you sound a bit like me (in my energized moments) and people type me as ILE which seems a fair enough match.

[mu4]

-Casual-Determinist Cognitive Style (Kurt Godel is my homie, yo)

Godel isn't a determinist, or a deterministic thinker, but other than that you seem ILE. Godel is probably LII and a holographic thinker.

[DaftPunk]

Hey guys. I've been studying socionics for about 6 months now. I'm pretty sure that my function order is Intuition base, Thinking creative, etc. I'm about 83% sure I'm a Ti-ILE, but...I'm still not totally clear about vs. , vs. , etc. An explanation of PolR vs PolR might help...

Anyways, here's the abridged list making the case for ILE.

ILE
-Procrastinator
-I act like an ADHD Inattentive kid coked up on pixie sticks half the time
-Nebulous Language
-I can charge people up like an extrovert (In Socratic debates, usually)
-Spiderwebby Thought Map
-Casual-Determinist Cognitive Style (Kurt Godel is my homie, yo)
-Weak Si (Like REALLY BAD)
-PolR more identifiable ("To be loved" makes more sense than "To love")
-Listening to confirmed INTps can be about as much fun as watching paint dry.
-THEORY THEORY THEORY
-I have no Fi-sense of shame (I ignore volume control, will dance like a spazz in front of crowds of people,etc.)
-Other people tell me I'm an Infantile (An EIE I was flirting with called me "A big kid")

The ILI one is weak sauce. Basically, why I think I might be ILI is that I can be
-cynical
-sarcastic
-a criticizer of other's best laid plans
-the VI stuff matches
-I test as ILI, and
-when I got into Socionics, I was SO DAMN SURE I was ILI. Now I'm confused

I can post my attitudes to the Reinin dichotomies, if anybody's interested. But I've rambled enough. I'm open to questions and other type suggestions as well, if you can back it up.

Fe-PoLR is more formal and Etiquette is linked to Fi so ILE>>>>>ILI

[Whoobie77]

Godel isn't a determinist, or a deterministic thinker, but other than that you seem ILE. Godel is probably LII and a holographic thinker.

Yeah, I know Godel is LII. But armed with the knowledge of his incompleteness theorem, it basically gives one free rein to start from insight and build your logic around it, since all systemic logic is castles in the sky then anyway. Godel, being as of right now my mirror, prevents me from creating an axiomatic labyrinth I can't get out of, or from getting too bogged down by the ones created by other people.

[chriscorey]

I would go with ILE. As an ILI I dislike juvenile behavior and precise detail because I find it boring.

I remember explaining to this guy what a puca was and I was trying to remember the definition for him, so I told him “a dark horse or a poodle” The only reason I said “poodle” is because I had looked puca up in the dictionary when I was nine under the incorrect spelling, so I remembered the picture of the poodle in the dictionary.Details are just annoying.

You might even be LII, actually. My ILE brother’s Fe would not tolerate your spazz dancing in public.

[Whoobie77]

Nah, I'm pretty sure I'm an irrational. My mom is ESE, and we hit that rational/irrational divide all the time. No way she's my dual.

[chriscorey]

Nah, I'm pretty sure I'm an irrational. My mom is ESE, and we hit that rational/irrational divide all the time. No way she's my dual.

Okay, well it could just be your age; I don’t know how old you are. I’ve never met an ILE who thought of ILIs as boring … My brother pines for my attention and uses quite an array of manipulation techniques to get it. My brother does perceive me as very arrogant, not boring.

ILE then?

[Whoobie77]

I guess I should qualify that. Being that we're both part of the Researchers Club, I often find the things INTps have to say interesting. I just get warded off by delivery. The INTps I know have a tendency to present insight without any attempt whatsoever to engage the audience.

[chriscorey]

I guess I should qualify that. Being that we're both part of the Researchers Club, I often find the things INTps have to say interesting. I just get warded off by delivery. The INTps I know have a tendency to present insight without any attempt whatsoever to engage the audience.

Well, in my case, it’s like translating a different language and then reading it backwards… AND you want me to engage the audience?

How demanding.

[Narc]

In my experience, I've found that ILEs and LIEs get along better than ILE/ILI, probably because they both have strong Ne and both have a bit of access to Fe and Se, so they can discuss interesting things and not have it be delivered with total detachment. A lot of my friends end up being ILE, probably in part because of that.

[chriscorey]

Yus, ILI receives scrutiny because we’re expected to give 150% while ILE/LIE complain and don’t even make an attempt to understand ILI. (in my experience) Aside from one ILE, but perhaps he was more N less T.

[Whoobie77]

Ni-dom victimhood ftw

[Narc]

Yus, ILI receives scrutiny because we’re expected to give 150% while ILE/LIE complain and don’t even make an attempt to understand ILI. (in my experience)

Awww diddums.

[chriscorey]

Awww diddums.

Yes. Boohoo.. although, I wasn't the one complaining .... @Whoobie77 There's that ILI sarcasm up there. you love it.

[Whoobie77]

Any info on how the different Enneatypes manifest in ILE? I'm lost there, besides thinking I'm in the Head Center (5,6 or 7)

[Narc]

The most likely Enneagram types for ILE seem to be 3 and 7 (and 5 for the Ti subtype).

There are a lot of good Enneagram articles (including ones about instinct stackings) on the main website here. My advice is to read them and see what sticks.

[bolong]

Okay, well it could just be your age; I don’t know how old you are. I’ve never met an ILE who thought of ILIs as boring

My brother is an ILI, and while I might say that his his general mindset about life is boring (cautious, conservative, cynical), his company is pretty enjoyable. We react well to each others humor.

[chriscorey]

My brother is an ILI, and while I might say that his his general mindset about life is boring (cautious, conservative, cynical), his company is pretty enjoyable. We react well to each others humor.

My brother and I are pretty much the same, we're really close.

[Amber]

after going through all this ....you could be ILE

[Whoobie77]

after going through all this ....you could be ILE

I was in a high stress environment and under the influence of my shadow functions when I wrote this. (that's my hypothesis, anyway),

I would disregard my earliest posts on the site for this reason.

[Whoobie77]

Hey guys. I've been studying socionics for about 6 months now. I'm pretty sure that my function order is Intuition base, Thinking creative, etc. I'm about 83% sure I'm a Ti-ILE, but...I'm still not totally clear about vs. , vs. , etc. An explanation of PolR vs PolR might help...

Anyways, here's the abridged list making the case for ILE.

ILE
-Procrastinator
-I act like an ADHD Inattentive kid coked up on pixie sticks half the time
-Nebulous Language
-I can charge people up like an extrovert (In Socratic debates, usually)
-Spiderwebby Thought Map
-Casual-Determinist Cognitive Style (Kurt Godel is my homie, yo)
-Weak Si (Like REALLY BAD)
-PolR more identifiable ("To be loved" makes more sense than "To love")
-Listening to confirmed INTps can be about as much fun as watching paint dry.
-THEORY THEORY THEORY
-I have no Fi-sense of shame (I ignore volume control, will dance like a spazz in front of crowds of people,etc.)
-Other people tell me I'm an Infantile (An EIE I was flirting with called me "A big kid")

A point by point refutation of myself.
1. This is true of all irrationals. Ne is characterized by high energy (scatterbrained) procrastination, while Ni is characterized by low energy (wary) procrastination.
2. Was dealing with my shadow functions when I wrote this.
3. True of most intuitives
4. No I can't; I just thought people gave a shit, when they actually don't
5. The thing is that my intuitive mental map has evolved over time, which is very different from Ne, which is in the moment.
6. I didn't know what the hell I was talking about when I wrote this.
7. Actually it makes more sense the other way around. See: shadow function influence
8. I was bad at typing when I wrote this.
9. All NTs use "theory" in a sense
9. I do have Fi over Fe, according to Jung's description of a kind of "frozen internal lake" or whatever
10. Shadow functions

Basically, I had just got to college. I wanted to be liked. I was stressed out and put on an ENTp "face" which I was locked in for a couple months. Also, I didn't really understand socionics when I wrote this.

[Amber]

A point by point refutation of myself.
1. This is true of all irrationals. Ne is characterized by high energy (scatterbrained) procrastination, while Ni is characterized by low energy (wary) procrastination.
2. Was dealing with my shadow functions when I wrote this.
3. True of most intuitives
4. No I can't; I just thought people gave a shit, when they actually don't
5. The thing is that my intuitive mental map has evolved over time, which is very different from Ne, which is in the moment.
6. I didn't know what the hell I was talking about when I wrote this.
7. Actually it makes more sense the other way around. See: shadow function influence
8. I was bad at typing when I wrote this.
9. All NTs use "theory" in a sense
9. I do have Fi over Fe, according to Jung's description of a kind of "frozen internal lake" or whatever
10. Shadow functions

Basically, I had just got to college. I wanted to be liked. I was stressed out and put on an ENTp "face" which I was locked in for a couple months. Also, I didn't really understand socionics when I wrote this.

you sure you´re not IEI after all?

[Whoobie77]

you sure you´re not IEI after all?

Okay, so...the socionics statistics say that all the types are distributed evenly. Call me crazy, but I'm inclined against thinking that. I doubt the world could run if half of it was space-cadet intuitives . I I'm much more inclined to follow these MBTI (cue the "This Isn't MBTI!" trolls) statistics on type distribution:

http://www.knowyourtype.com/myers-briggs-percentages/

According to these stats, INFJ (the counterpart to INFp. End of story. The suggestions that conversions from Myers Briggs are INFx is bullcrap. INFJs in Meyers Briggs have the same functions as socionics INFps) is the rarest type for males. That makes me doubly doubtful about typing myself as IEI. In addittion, DJArendee (who helped me establish my foundation in typology), has made it abundantly clear that there are lots of INFJ/INFp mistypes.



From all this, I get the sense that IEIs (especially male IEIs) are about as commonplace as unicorns. Add onto it that IEIs are supposed to smooth social situations over for their dual, and it just adds even more doubt. I don't know if it is Fe+ or Se suggestive or what, but I'm really good at pissing people off irl. It just seems so unlikely to me that I would be able to help anybody else when I'm bad at managing my own shit. If I am one, I'm probably Ni-subtype.



On the other hand, yeah, sometimes I get to thinking about Henry Rollins or Ernest Hemingway and I'm like, "Are you sure this isn't your dual?" And I respect and even idolize tons of IEIs (Kurt Cobain, Nietzsche, Jung, Edmund Husserl, David Lynch). And I'm doing exactly what IEIs are infamous for: blowing tons of other people's money so I can study some useless humanitarian subject (probably).And I was really good friends with a bunch of SLE footballers back in high school. And my best frIend at college is the EIElyist EIE that ever lived. And my IEE ex once called me an "old soul" and said I'd make a good psychologist. And I'm writing a novel, which doesn't seem like a very ILI pursuit.

On the other other hand, the archetype for ILI is Balzac, who was a novelist.

To be honest, I just don't know.

I DO know, however, that I am not ILE. I decided to go hang out with some SEIs after I typed myself as ILE, and, while they are perfectly nice people, I hate that passivity. That's my job!

Ugh, typology is a headache. If I am Ni, then I know one thing: the idea of Ni users being impressionable is head on.

EDIT: Jeebus, I really do think I'm an IEI now.

DOUBLE EDIT: Actually I'm still confused.