Ivanka Trump

[Chae]

Ivanka is E3 to the max so any irrationality might be hidden or simply polished away.

[yeves]

could she be ESI?

What we learn from Eric Trump here is that: 1) Ivanka is the person in the White House who can tell her father "no" and 2) her installation as a formal adviser -- with a West Wing office -- might well be in reaction to the family's concerns that Trump wasn't getting the right sort of advice from "37 people that might be standing around a table at that one time who just want to appease."

Then there's the fact that Ivanka is, without question, the most popular member of the Trump family in the minds of the general public. She's also widely regarded -- and also widely mocked -- as the leveling or moderating force in her father's life and on his politics.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/11/politi...p-white-house/

[Chae]

Valued , and here.

[flames]

ESI

[Jake]

ESI

[silke]

LIE sp/so 3w2

[suedehead]

Te-LIE

[Delilah]

Always seemed IEE-Fi to me, almost stereotypically *shrug*

[Adam Strange]

Ivanka looks Beta to me.

[Kill4Me]

Ivanka Trump...ILI-Ni






the word Frederick came up in my image verification for the post...

[Kill4Me]

oh and 1w9 sp/so for her enneagram type...

[niffer]

Ivanka Trump...ILI-Ni






the word Frederick came up in my image verification for the post...

Please. You are not my identical.

[World Socionics]

ESI, married to an LSE.

Note that the relationships in her life are a huge influence on her decisions. She was happy to convert to Judaism and adopt their religious practices for the sake of Jared Kushner. She risked public animosity in going out on the stump defending her father's reputation. Note that she does this through personally vouching for his good character, as well as softening his more ideological policies. This is rather Fi-led.

At the same time, she is rather tough, in a subtle manner. Her Se-oriented father respects her, much more than he does SEI Tiffany Trump, and entrusts her with responsibility to make tough decisions. She has that steely, killer instinct he requires of people who work for him, even if he is largely oblivious to her Fi-focus.

Her writings are frequently criticised for being 'out of touch' and unaware of her privileges compared to most other people. What shows up is a common unawareness and disregard for perspectives outside her own experience, which is common for those with weak Ne.

[World Socionics]

Ivanka Trump...ILI-Ni






the word Frederick came up in my image verification for the post...

Except that Nietzsche isn't even ILI. He's IEI. Nietzsche's writing is devoid of hard, factual content, and is largely emphatic pronouncements and assertions on the purpose of man. This is very Fe-Ti. You won't get far with Nietzsche by taking a Te-approach and taking what he says at factual, face value.

[Singu]

Note that the relationships in her life are a huge influence on her decisions. She was happy to convert to Judaism and adopt their religious practices for the sake of Jared Kushner. She risked public animosity in going out on the stump defending her father's reputation. Note that she does this through personally vouching for his good character, as well as softening his more ideological policies. This is rather Fi-led.

Not type related. The fact that she defends him might have to do with growing up with a narcissistic father, and all his children probably do the same. A lot of people let their relationships influence their decisions.

[World Socionics]

None of the Trumps are IEI (nor EIE for that matter)...
Most of the females seem to be Gamma SF.

One Trump was a likely IEI. His elder, alcoholic brother who died.

As for Melania, she is clearly the submissive wife he had been looking for. His first wife was too aggressive, perhaps EIE. His second wife was less assertive, but didn't share his values. Possibly SEI, like their daughter Tiffany. Melania is just the sort of submissive who looks up to her husband's strength as a protector. Seems IEI to me.

[World Socionics]

Not type related. The fact that she defends him might have to do with growing up with a narcissistic father, and all his children probably do the same. A lot of people let their relationships influence their decisions.

Well, you don't see the same input from Tiffany. You got some from Donald Jr. who is possibly IEE. Ivanka focused greatly on personally knowing her father as a good man. It is vouching for his character and typical of an Fi defence, where an Fe defence would be more about emphasising how amazing he is, or some other rhetoric about making people enthusiastic.

Well yes. A lot of people are primarily driven by their personal bonds and ties with others and act with their first thought in mind being to maintain the stability of their closeness to others. These are Fi-leading types because Fi takes the main priority. There are a lot of them

[Jake]

Just realized how sexy Ivanka is... But she's ESI and anyone who doesn't think so can suck eggz

[Adam Strange]

Just realized how sexy Ivanka is... But she's ESI and anyone who doesn't think so can suck eggz

Man, I do not think she is sexy. But I don't think she is ESI, either.

[Jake]

Man, I do not think she is sexy. But I don't think she is ESI, either.

Well in that case...

[Raver]

Gamma rational IMO.

[Kill4Me]

She's too elegant and sophisticated for an ESI. ESIs are sarcastic bitches. Even when they aren't being bitchy, you can tell they are bitchy. It's too easy for Ivanka to be sharp mentally and precise in her word selection without being a sarcastic bitch. Sharp edges don't hold well on her. An ESI would have been more of a problem child, a black sheep. Another disqualifier for ESI is that she's made good decisions all her life...there's no messiness. ESI is more of a grotty, rash, pop out a bastard kid or two, get arrested for drunk driving, one-irrational-decision-after-another type of female or male. Rationality is her strong suit. It's also quite easy to picture an ESI telling somebody to shut the fuck up or calling them an idiot in debate....they are yielding types, afterall and incapable of sugarcoating their reason for disagreement. Ivanka is the total opposite...Compare to former member Rosewood. Rosewood was a typical nasty ESI. ESIs are quick to take things to a personal level in debate and like to keep it real emotionally. She's anything but. She's a long range strategist who helped mastermind Trump's rise to power and brings to the table a neat problem-solving skillset.

[World Socionics]

She's too elegant and sophisticated for an ESI. ESIs are sarcastic bitches. Even when they aren't being bitchy, you can tell they are bitchy. It's too easy for Ivanka to be sharp mentally and precise in her word selection without being a sarcastic bitch. Sharp edges don't hold well on her. An ESI would have been more of a problem child, a black sheep. Another disqualifier for ESI is that she's made good decisions all her life...there's no messiness. ESI is more of a grotty, rash, pop out a bastard kid or two, get arrested for drunk driving, one-irrational-decision-after-another type of female or male. Rationality is her strong suit. It's also quite easy to picture an ESI telling somebody to shut the fuck up or calling them an idiot in debate....they are yielding types, afterall and incapable of sugarcoating their reason for disagreement. Ivanka is the total opposite...Compare to former member Rosewood. Rosewood was a typical nasty ESI. ESIs are quick to take things to a personal level in debate and like to keep it real emotionally. She's anything but. She's a long range strategist who helped mastermind Trump's rise to power and brings to the table a neat problem-solving skillset.

Why would a type with 4D and have difficulty with being elegant and sophisticated? I think you're confusing ESIs with the more unstable all-or-nothing use of + seen with ILIs.

[Kill4Me]

I actually meant 1w2 sp/so for her enneagram type. No idea why I wrote w9. One and Two are both daddy types. The daddy triad consists of types 1, 2 and 6. 1w2 and 2w1 are what I have called the double daddy types. Daddy types have a strong orientation towards "Father" and see-saw between defending and prosecuting the abuses of the father. I use the word father symbolically. Could be literal as in the case of Ivanka with the Donald, but also symbolic as in institutions, schools, churches, etc.

Typically, the ILIs that get typed around here, and the descriptions of ILI that circulates through here, pits ILI into the 5 range. The father orientation is entirely absent from the common perception of ILI. On the other hand, ESIs athat get typed around here, and the descriptions of ESi that circulate through here, pits ESI into daddy triad (same for INFj). ILI 1w2 is harder to spot because the double daddy orientation throws a scent in other directions. Unless and until the perception of ILI is recalibrated to different enneagram types, forget it. You'll be looking for a needle in a haystack.

It's the same thing with SEIs who aren't type 9s.

[Jake]

She's too elegant and sophisticated for an ESI. ESIs are sarcastic bitches. Even when they aren't being bitchy, you can tell they are bitchy. It's too easy for Ivanka to be sharp mentally and precise in her word selection without being a sarcastic bitch. Sharp edges don't hold well on her. An ESI would have been more of a problem child, a black sheep. Another disqualifier for ESI is that she's made good decisions all her life...there's no messiness. ESI is more of a grotty, rash, pop out a bastard kid or two, get arrested for drunk driving, one-irrational-decision-after-another type of female or male. Rationality is her strong suit. It's also quite easy to picture an ESI telling somebody to shut the fuck up or calling them an idiot in debate....they are yielding types, afterall and incapable of sugarcoating their reason for disagreement. Ivanka is the total opposite...Compare to former member Rosewood. Rosewood was a typical nasty ESI. ESIs are quick to take things to a personal level in debate and like to keep it real emotionally. She's anything but. She's a long range strategist who helped mastermind Trump's rise to power and brings to the table a neat problem-solving skillset.

"Rationality is her strong suit." - Contradicting yourself there, eh?

The rest is neo-Socionics b.s. and your perception of people whom you've typed as ESI; which removes the objective credibility of your argument. All of which shouldn't, and can't, be used when typing people.

[Kill4Me]

The below clip from the apprentice is much closer to Ivanka's real kinesthetic and mind.



When she states that "I'm sort of into sabotage...sometimes it works and sometimes it backfires", she is essentially saying that "if it works, I'm into it." At 2:22, she elaborates on her cognition:

You had asked me if I believe in sabotage. And I do, if it's well calculated and if it can be used to further what you're trying to do.

That shows she's capable of playing a ruthless hand, that she possesses a calculating mind, and that she's a total pragmatist. For her, the ends justify the means in business and I would assume politics. An ESE, for example, could never make that statement without providing us with a high-handed humanitarian qualification. She quickly grasps strategy and tactics. "That's right out of the Omarosa playbook." As it turns out, the airheaded Stephen Baldwin and ILE-Ti Piers Morgan are both duped into believing that Ivanka is on their side. This speaks to her strength of not revealing her hand without appearing to be closed off. In other words, she's mentally agile. That would lead to the inference that she's not nice just to be nice, but the characteristic applies to a context of holding an advantage and catching more bees with honey -- a pure business calculation (remember, "if it works, I"m into it....if it doesn't work, I'm not into it.")

Ivanka is also a percentages decision-maker. Of course, Piers Morgan being an ILE is the exact opposite and loves to take big gambles. In the boardroom, Ivanka criticizes Piers' plan for sabotage on the basis that it was too risky due to the fact Vinny is not a loyal minion. Therefore, Piers needed to protect the rift between him and Vinny from being exploited by either Vinny or the other team. That's an incisive calculation. Since the chance of success stood at a low percentage, it was a bad play, in Ivanka's opinion. She's got a cool and calculating business mind, never taking unnecessary risks but playing the percentages and reducing people to motivations. It's a cognition that operates under a game theory style rationality; completely at odds with ESE, ESI and INFj. As close as I can tell, she's a real life dagny taggart.

My view is reinforced by her kinesthetic. When she talks, she's just moving her lips to form words, her eyebrows rarely flash (face seems a little dead), and her smiles are scripted (moreso now that she's in the public eye and has to put on a political face). There's no feeling at all. She's like an AI robot come to life.

[wacey]

The below clip from the apprentice is much closer to Ivanka's real kinesthetic and mind.



When she states that "I'm sort of into sabotage...sometimes it works and sometimes it backfires", she is essentially saying that "if it works, I'm into it." At 2:22, she elaborates on her cognition:



That shows she's capable of playing a ruthless hand, that she possesses a calculating mind, and that she's a total pragmatist. For her, the ends justify the means in business and I would assume politics. An ESE, for example, could never make that statement without providing us with a high-handed humanitarian qualification. She quickly grasps strategy and tactics. "That's right out of the Omarosa playbook." As it turns out, the airheaded Stephen Baldwin and ILE-Ti Piers Morgan are both duped into believing that Ivanka is on their side. This speaks to her strength of not revealing her hand without appearing to be closed off. In other words, she's mentally agile. That would lead to the inference that she's not nice just to be nice, but the characteristic applies to a context of holding an advantage and catching more bees with honey -- a pure business calculation (remember, "if it works, I"m into it....if it doesn't work, I'm not into it.")

Ivanka is also a percentages decision-maker. Of course, Piers Morgan being an ILE is the exact opposite and loves to take big gambles. In the boardroom, Ivanka criticizes Piers' plan for sabotage on the basis that it was too risky due to the fact Vinny is not a loyal minion. Therefore, Piers needed to protect the rift between him and Vinny from being exploited by either Vinny or the other team. That's an incisive calculation. Since the chance of success stood at a low percentage, it was a bad play, in Ivanka's opinion. She's got a cool and calculating business mind, never taking unnecessary risks but playing the percentages and reducing people to motivations. It's a cognition that operates under a game theory style rationality; completely at odds with ESE, ESI and INFj. As close as I can tell, she's a real life dagny taggart.

My view is reinforced by her kinesthetic. When she talks, she's just moving her lips to form words, her eyebrows rarely flash (face seems a little dead), and her smiles are scripted (moreso now that she's in the public eye and has to put on a political face). There's no feeling at all. She's like an AI robot come to life.

So what is your conclusion then, what type IS she?

[World Socionics]

I actually meant 1w2 sp/so for her enneagram type. No idea why I wrote w9. One and Two are both daddy types. The daddy triad consists of types 1, 2 and 6. 1w2 and 2w1 are what I have called the double daddy types. Daddy types have a strong orientation towards "Father" and see-saw between defending and prosecuting the abuses of the father. I use the word father symbolically. Could be literal as in the case of Ivanka with the Donald, but also symbolic as in institutions, schools, churches, etc.

Typically, the ILIs that get typed around here, and the descriptions of ILI that circulates through here, pits ILI into the 5 range. The father orientation is entirely absent from the common perception of ILI. On the other hand, ESIs athat get typed around here, and the descriptions of ESi that circulate through here, pits ESI into daddy triad (same for INFj). ILI 1w2 is harder to spot because the double daddy orientation throws a scent in other directions. Unless and until the perception of ILI is recalibrated to different enneagram types, forget it. You'll be looking for a needle in a haystack.

It's the same thing with SEIs who aren't type 9s.

Erm... what now?

[Boris78]

Here my Typing of Ivanka Trump / and her Family


Ivanka Trump :

Myers-Briggs : INFJ-C (Calm) Estimated Profile : (I) 67,5% (N) 55% (F) 67,5% (J) 80%

Big Five/OCEAN : RCOAI

Enneagram: 9w1(sw1w2) Enneatype 9 - Level 1

Socionics : EII

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Donald Trump (Father) :

Myers-Briggs : INFP-L (Limbic) Estimated Profile : (I) 73,75% (N) 55% (F) 55% (P) 80%

Big Five/OCEAN : RLUAI

Enneagram: 4w3(sw3w2) Enneatype 4 - Level 1

Socionics : IEI


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Ivana Trump (Mother) :

Myers-Briggs : ENFP-C (Calm) Estimated Profile : (E) 98,75% (N) 80% (F) 92,5% (P) 61,25%

Big Five/OCEAN : SCUAI

Enneagram: 4w5(sw5w6) Enneatype 4 - Level 9

Socionics : IEE

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Jared Kushner (Husband)

Myers-Briggs : ISFP-C (Calm) Estimated Profile : (I) 73,75% (S) 55% (F) 55% (P) 73,75%

Big Five/OCEAN : RCUAN

Enneagram: 6w5(sw7w6) Enneatype 6 - Level 5

Socionics : ESI

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Arabella Rose Kushner (Children)

Myers-Briggs : ENTJ-L (Limbic) Estimated Profile : (E) 73,75% (N) 55% (T) 67,5% (J) 67,5%

Big Five/OCEAN : SLOEI

Enneagram: 3w4(sw2w3) Enneatype 3 - Level 6

Socionics : LIE

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Theodore James Kushner (Children)

Myers-Briggs : INTP-L (Limbic) Estimated Profile : (I) 73,75% (N) 55% (T) 55% (P) 73,75%

Big Five/OCEAN : RLUEI

Enneagram: 5w4(sw6w5) Enneatype 5 - Level 4

Socionics : LII

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Joseph Frederick Kushner (Children)

Myers-Briggs : ENTP-C (Calm) Estimated Profile : (E) 86,25% (N) 67,5% (T) 67,5% (P) 86,25%

Big Five/OCEAN : SCUEI

Enneagram: 3w2(sw4w3) Enneatype 3 - Level 2

Socionics : ILE

[Zero11]

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[xerx]

pleeeease nobody shoot me.

i think both she and Jared Kushner are sei.

[Tallmo]

pleeeease nobody shoot me.

i think both she and Jared Kushner are sei.

Ivanka is a Harmonizer. So that has to be taken into account.

[nokomis]

My mind always jumps straight to SLI when I see her. She reminds me a lot of the queen. Smooth, strategic and with a good sense of Si/Fi warmth that invites others to open up to her.

She also an impeccably clean sense of style that you almost only ever see in Si-leads.

This typing makes a lot more sense in the context that I see her father as an LIE, not a SLE like practically everyone else. Supervision seems like a good description of her relationship with her dad. Nothing about either of them jumps out to me as Beta.

[moloko]

ESI, just going by vibe and VI. Reminds me of an ESI-Fi chef I know who is sweet but in a kind of robotic way. She’s like 67 and should really retire (due to health concerns), but she’s all about making that $$$.