It is 2018 and people have to realize that 9w8s exist. I'm tired of 9w8s constantly having their 9ness questioned because we tend to be badasses with some outbursts. The 9 stereotype is the so 9w1 which i'm not even sure is the average 9 in general.
It is 2018 and people have to realize that 9w8s exist. I'm tired of 9w8s constantly having their 9ness questioned because we tend to be badasses with some outbursts. The 9 stereotype is the so 9w1 which i'm not even sure is the average 9 in general.
She is nowhere near a 3 her motivation is about keeping the peace at all times, she's just a 9 that's been in a very supportive family and that has boosted her along with Jay-Z supporting her too. 9w1 probably but 9w8 is possible sp/sx for sure. I can't even see Beyonce having a 3 fix even. Just watch an interview of her it's pretty clear she's not really image conscious she couldn't care less on what people thought of her.Originally Posted by cookie123
I think the descriptions on 9 are total nonsense aswell and with the way people look at the 9 description they are completely ignoring the wings. 9s usually have either 1 or 8 with them so the 1 and 8 is going to influence the 9 massively, if anything 9s might be one of the types to stand up to adversity the most depending on how strong the wing is, now yes 9s are very conflict avoidant and it is very difficult for them on a day to day basis but with a well developed wing I think the problems can be overcome.
Story of my life, dude. I literally had a venomous hag just tell me that i'm not a 9 because I assert myself a lot here. It is because no one else is telling the truth about the types since there are no actual 8s here.
Most 9s are usually assertive or aware of their boundaries(8 wing probably more likely to be assertive) I think especially sp/sx ones are assertive. One blind spot for 9s could be that when the possibility of conflict arises then possibly the assertiveness is reduced.
Really? I have never heard the concept of 9w1's being assertive before but they definitely aren't compliant like most people seem to think.
9's as a whole are stereotyped as so first 9w1s.I think especially sp/sx ones are assertive
One blind spot for 9s could be that when the possibility of conflict arises then possibly the assertiveness is reduced
Well, yes. I literally told her that despite her belief - I don't want conflict. I was agitated by a couple of members for some time and apparently me rightfully confronting them is making her stupid ass doubt my type. This is something that I have to deal with on a daily basis, i'm sick of it. 9w1s and non-9s constantly questioning my core type when I know enneagram inside out. I relate to everything about 9s except the spineless hippie stereotype.
I have to agree. Beyoncé is a 3 with a strong link to 9 and marrying Jay Z probably caused it.
The stereotype would be the neutral position. 1 and 9 are opposite the most. And it is doubtful to underesteemate the "badassness" of E1s.
Seems I communicated with ESI 9w8 sx.
3s and 9s are the opposite. A 9 could possess a 1 wing and a strong one at that.1 and 9 are opposite the most.
1's may be badass but 9w1s are mostly pathetic. I'm sick of them being so spineless because i'm constantly having my 9ness questioned because of it.And it is doubtful to underesteemate the "badassness" of E1s.
I don't care about Socionics, so don't randomly try to type me.
Don't you think you might be mistyped? You say yourself type "is not about traits or behavior but about motivation", then you argue that 9w1s posses certain traits that delineate them from 9w8s, and that this is why people don't agree with your self-typing.
So which one is it? Traits and behavior correlate to motivation, except when it comes to defending a self-typing that is clearly trying to fit a square peg into a circular hole? So they correlate to motivation it seems, when you want them to, and don't, when it suits you.
The reason I "goaded" you as you put it, and am doing so again, is because you come off really defensive, hostile, antagonistic and immature. I know you're not targeting me, but it's toxic. I'm tired of this, I wish you'd stop taking this so damn seriously, it's just a theory, not settled science.
You claim to have "vast knowledge" of the enneagram and yet get really defensive whenever anyone even so much as suggests you might be wrong in your self-typing. If you were so confident, you'd more likely brush it off. And no, this is not because I am an "ignorant moron", the contents of your arguments may be true, or not, but you don't act like anyone debating you is your equal unless they totally agree with you and this is really disturbing.
If there are more than three assholes in your life, you are most likely the problem.
People only disagree with it when i'm pissed off. I don't think I am mistyped because I know enneagram as a whole. I literally made a thread on what enneagram is actually about.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...s-of-the-types
It was goading because you made several accusations that weren't true about me.The reason I "goaded" you as you put it
I am defensive because i'm tired of it. It makes zero sense to judge people based on behaviour or traits because people have gone through different journeys.You claim to have "vast knowledge" of the enneagram and yet get really defensive whenever anyone even so much as suggests you might be wrong in your self-typing.
I am confident. I'm not going to brush it off when i'm constantly surrounded by people that find it intimidating when someone knows so much about enneagram. If they aren't calling me a mistype for having conviction then they are coming out with it doesn't really matter at all because it's a theory like you. I don't care if you think it's a theory, it is something that has changed my life and many others. People only talk down about enneagram because it is hard for them to get which you have proven.If you were so confident, you'd more likely brush it off.
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@malignantwench
Ok, I get that and I hear you, but I think you missed my point (though to be fair I may not have communicated it effectively). My remark about enneagram not being settled science means we have no facts to go by, it is all experience. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm not saying enneagram is useless either, but when you discuss whether something is true or not, it is question of the map vs the territory. If you take the map to be the territory, you will most likely end up dogmatic and intolerant. Your answer here proves to me you able to do better than that. The map tries to be as accurate as the territory, but is not the territory.I don't care if you think it's a theory, it is something that has changed my life and many others. People only talk down about enneagram because it is hard for them to get which you have proven.
The problem with enneagram and with typology in general is the problem of methods, by what method do we identify types? Different schools of enneagram reach different results because of different methods, also because the gap between experience and the theory needs to be bridged by some conceptual means which not everyone will agree on, if that last part makes sense. That's why there are different schools, because not everyone agrees to the same methods for diagnosing type, even if they have the same theory as basis.
@Avebury, i'm not trying to be an antagonist, all I want to do is help others figure out their type. I simply informed you that I was tired of non-9s stereotyping 9s and then you came back with ''what makes you think you know enneagram more than us''. It was a salty response and you denied that but then you came back with a short novel of how much you didn't like my energy.
THIS LINK has really good descriptions of the 9w8 imo. It shows the ocassional bursts of anger and aggression, while not being an overly aggressive or hostile type of person. It shows them as placid, agreeable people in general, with a harder edge, and with an enduring and competitive side. Their temper is rare, and flares up in brief bursts, with the 8 wing showing up most in their general stubbornness and defensiveness. The healthy 9w8 is described (imo quite accurately) as "powerful and gentle" "seeking peace and power", comforting, good-natured and independent. All the information in that link is good and informative imo.
Yes, occasional because they aren't being constantly goaded. Every post that you make is not taking into consideration the annoyance that you lot have put me under.
E1 is concentrated on the world's improvement
E9 on the adaptation to the world as is
I see this as the direct opposing between the essence of these types. Also as the basis for a complementation and self improvement between them. For person's correction through the suppression of redundant types' expression, the suppression by the opposite.
My current view mb not a common one. Though I may accept the views on E-types from other points too.
> 1's may be badass but 9w1s are mostly pathetic
In my perception all E9 inspire some sorrow, including 9w8. They often look sad and childish, give the wish to care or help them. Some assertiveness of 9w8 looks as the result of their inner tenderness, which leads them to easily feel the pain. And such they develop to be (by the dissociation from themselves) and partly only to look as more rough to protect that inner tender self, it's like to wear a mask for yourself and for others.
> I don't care about Socionics, so don't randomly try to type me.
I've said there not about you.
Also as Socionics types and Enneagram may to have the correlations and Socionics is the forum's theme, your assertion and demand are inappropriate and will be ignored. Your types are interesting and there are no good reasons to trust to your opinion about them. To have the assured opinion about your types needs more data about you still. At least, you've given the initial arguments to doubt in your E9 and N types already - too aggressive for E9, too touchy to other opinions about your traits and do not understand good the contexts - mb due to weak Ne. Some plain in the language for IEI, too active and assertive for them. At now, you more remind Se type than IEI.
I recommend you to make a typing theme with your video to mb correctly understand your Socionics type.
I agree with this, and think it makes a good distinction between the types as I see them too.
Shut up, fool.
You conveniently didn't notice this ''you come off really defensive, hostile, antagonistic and immature.'' from Avebury to me.
I have explained several times that enneagram isn't based on behaviour or traits but they don't listen.instead of calling someone stupid, tell them why you think they're wrong. Not everyone will be able to figure out everything immediately, it's ok for people to hold on to their personal beliefs, even if you believe them to be wrong.
I'll be calm when they leave me the heck alone.Calm down.
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No, i'm not. I let it go but they won't leave me alone. Why is what Avebury said to me fine but I get the third degree when he has said much worse.Ok. I think you're in some vortex of negative emotions towards the forum members. It's ok. It can happen.
I'm bringing you up with good reason. Of course, you speak in your own defense as always. I have tried to bury the hatchet but you don't want to. I have told him that I have tried asking you to dm me because this constant arguing is exhausting but you didn't want to know.
I'm not distorting anything. What you said is posted above.I think you're just distorting my words here and those of others,
malignantwench reminds me of me
fighting with squark is like a rite of passage, im 99% sure shes LSI and we're EIE. its okay, in the long run it should work itself out. there's like a weird attraction (not physical but Ti/Fe) and its not conflict, its just feisty betas
my advice is to give up on enneagram because its garbage and focus on learning gulenko's system because its very cohesive and workable
this took me over a year to figure out, so I don't expect instant compliance or anything
I still disagree but I appreciate your insight on her type
I think you are underrestimating how hard working any human can be and she is under pressure obviously
I disagree because she has just grown in confidence and performing is becoming a comfort zone for her so that's why she is such a natural entertainer at it. Still she doesn't fit the sx 3 temperament or 3 in general. She is just raised in a very supportive family and thrives on pressure. I can see a lot of 9s being like that actually the coachella part.
Whilst everything about her is carefully constructed, I attribute that to her being very passionate about her career which can apply to any type. I just don't see her being a 3 at all, she is very behind the scenes and whilst she is in the limelight(temporarily) in a big way, it's really to make as much money as possible and not about her image, money is part of her survival which she is aware of and I attribute that to exactly why she is an sp, an sp 9 imo.
"type 9 having 11 hour rehearsals for Coachella a year after giving birth or performing on stage whilst pregnant with twins" - Pressure trust me, she wants to please everybody and she knows if she lets someone down she will be confronted about it, no other reasoning behind it for her. She also cares about her career definitely and knows its a big event for her, Coachella is huge for any musician.
9w8 is a possibility also but i'm going with 9w1 for now.
A song about a low-level 9.
A song about an integrated 9.
Or doing a bunch of things that i'm not meant to be doing, to avoid what I should be doing.
Diana was a 6w7 ISFP not a 9.
mb INFJ
9w8 so/sx - Jared Taylor
9w8 so/sx? (LSI?) - Bryan Melvin
9w8 sp/sx the "ascetic" strong SP subtype - Les Carton
9w1 - Lisa A. Romano
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reminds one cute and not easy girl
another pirozhok alike E9w8 sx
at [1:16:36]
hm... another pie looking one for today (7 Nov). this one even also has yellow eyes
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e9 + Ti
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