Dragon Ball Z

[Creepy-male]

So you're ILE now again? How long is this going to last? And are we going to have HOT SENSUAL DUAL SEX?

[Gilly]

Yes, don't know, we'll see.

[Creepy-male]

Alphas are Social Analysts.

That's Delta.

Alphas run parallel to society.

Think of it this way: aristocrats run perpendicular, democrats run parallel.

Decisive quadras intersect with society, Judicious quadras do not.

Alphas = parallel + disjunct. Alphas go off and make their own little world, freely interacting with whoever comes along.

Gammas = parallel + intersecting. Gammas form the social systems and standards of acceptable behaviour, institutions, systems, whatever.

Betas = perpendicular + intersecting. They challenge the existing systems and structures of society, imposing new ones upon it.

Deltas = perpendicular + disjunct. Deltas observe and criticise society, being somewhat a part of it, yet being outside and looking back in from a distance.

Rick, an IEE, is the most ridiculously terrific example of this and wtf when have you ever seen an Alpha like that. (p.s. tcaud is pretty self-evidently either not Alpha or too disconnected from reality and unhealthy to be accurately typed (case-in-point, his rants about good & evil on OKCupid, that is not the writing of an Alpha, end of story); his best fit is really Beta NF if he's even socionics-typable at all to begin with.)

[Creepy-male]

Hey, please learn Socionics, k thx.

^Not to be as blunt as this, but basically yeah. None of any of what you said, Pookie, is Socionics. I'm assuming you're coming from MBTI or JCF; they are not Socionics.

[discojoe]

You guys are morons.

Goku is SEE, so obvious it's retarded.

Vegeta is LSI.

Don't care about the others, but they're mostly all typed wrong.

[Gilly]

Vegeta is SLE. He is obviously an extrovert, and not Goku's supervisor by any means.

[discojoe]

Yeah okay, I can see SLE, but he still has the demeanor of an IJ imo.

[EyeSeeCold]

That's Delta.

Alphas run parallel to society.

 

Think of it this way: aristocrats run perpendicular, democrats run parallel.

Decisive quadras intersect with society, Judicious quadras do not.

Alphas = parallel + disjunct. Alphas go off and make their own little world, freely interacting with whoever comes along.

Gammas = parallel + intersecting. Gammas form the social systems and standards of acceptable behaviour, institutions, systems, whatever.

Betas = perpendicular + intersecting. They challenge the existing systems and structures of society, imposing new ones upon it.

Deltas = perpendicular + disjunct. Deltas observe and criticise society, being somewhat a part of it, yet being outside and looking back in from a distance.

Rick, an IEE, is the most ridiculously terrific example of this and wtf when have you ever seen an Alpha like that. (p.s. tcaud is pretty self-evidently either not Alpha or too disconnected from reality and unhealthy to be accurately typed (case-in-point, his rants about good & evil on OKCupid, that is not the writing of an Alpha, end of story); his best fit is really Beta NF if he's even socionics-typable at all to begin with.)

No.

Extraverted perception, specifically Ne, is tuned into worldwide happenings. It has a higher dimension than . valuers need to be tuned in to what's going on everywhere else, this feeds their shortsighted .

Introverted = Unrelated to the object = Concerned with the subject
Extraverted = Unrelated to the subject = Concerned with the object

Introverted perception = passive awareness
Extraverted perception = active awareness
Introverted judgment = passive judgment
Extraverted judgment = active judgment

Thus Alpha is social. I call them Social Analysts because of /, more specifically because they like to voice their critical and highly offensive opinions.

and wtf when have you ever seen an Alpha like that.

Serious? Every single ESE, LII and ILE I have ever come across has been distinctly tuned into news and politics

The Creators/Systematizers (-Ti/+Te in ego, -Fe/+Fi agenda) INTj; ENTp; ISTp; ESTj

This group is the producers of ideas in the world. The intuitive types introduce and implement new and extraordinary ideas. The sensing types attempt to produce and implement ways to be economical. This group can be very analytical, they analyze the situation and put the best idea into production. This group tries to break things apart and analyze them as them are at their deepest core. This group can be very rude, as its their functional need to be sarcastic and mean to people. In the intuitive types though, social anxiety can get in the way of this. This group wants to love and be happy. This group has a hard time appearing happy to the people around them. They are hardly ever completely nice to people.

[Gilly]

Yeah okay, I can see SLE, but he still has the demeanor of an IJ imo.

He has the "demeanor" of an SLE-Ti 3w2: ambitious, forceful, unpredictable, impulsive, driven, ruthless, and deeply insecure of his connection with others because his sense of self-worth is derived from concrete accomplishments, so he persistently rejects these connections until his actions can speak for him; for his desire to connect. SLE 3s are insanely tragic.

[Creepy-male]

^You're mistyping people then. None of my activators, duals, or mirrors are at all like what you're describing, from my point of view. Calm down, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from, even if it seemingly contradicts my own experience.

The extratims can be very social, yes, but none of them ever seem to really care about anything other than whatever their own "world" is, even though that can intersect with current affairs. I have an ESE friend who is pretty much my portal into the happening stuff in the world around me, especially when it comes to MMOs, because he obviously keeps himself up to date in the world where I... really don't.

Look, just compare any ILE and any LSE. LSEs tend to be really tuned toward "social issues", doing right in the world, trying to change perceived injustices, etc, etc; Ryu is an example on this very board. ILEs OTOH are more like disconnected researchers. I have never really heard an ILE talk or show an orientation to anything other than what is personally relevant to them, either through being a part of their world directly, or just through curiosity. Those +/- definitions aren't kosher socionics either and are already suspect just based on the descriptions.

This pattern also supports SEIs being typically the "own drumbeat" types without making them the odd one out of Alpha quadra. SEIs are characteristically not a part of any kind of world other than their own, and they're one of the types that very typically makes their own world and their own life and lives that largely without any kind of interest in or influence from outside, especially especially especially "society".

You can't just use extremely logically flimsy "reasoning" and then claim that that's superior to reality, or more correct. That's not how it works.

I'm still allowing for the possibility that we're either miscommunicating or framing things different. From my P.O.V. the distinction between how Deltas actively criticise society and Alphas are basically running in a parallel universe to it is very clear.

[EyeSeeCold]

^You're mistyping people then. None of my activators, duals, or mirrors are at all like what you're describing, from my point of view. Calm down, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from, even if it seemingly contradicts my own experience. The extratims can be very social, yes, but none of them ever seem to really care about anything other than whatever their own "world" is, even though that can intersect with current affairs. I have an ESE friend who is pretty much my portal into the happening stuff in the world around me, especially when it comes to MMOs, because he obviously keeps himself up to date in the world where I... really don't.

Look, just compare any ILE and any LSE. LSEs tend to be really tuned toward "social issues", doing right in the world, trying to change perceived injustices, etc, etc; Ryu is an example on this very board. ILEs OTOH are more like disconnected researchers. I have never really heard an ILE talk or show an orientation to anything other than what is personally relevant to them, either through being a part of their world directly, or just through curiosity. Those +/- definitions aren't kosher socionics either and are already suspect just based on the descriptions.

This pattern also supports SEIs being typically the "own drumbeat" types without making them the odd one out of Alpha quadra. SEIs are characteristically not a part of any kind of world other than their own, and they're one of the types that very typically makes their own world and their own life and lives that largely without any kind of interest in or influence from outside, especially especially especially "society".

You can't just use extremely logically flimsy "reasoning" and then claim that that's superior to reality, or more correct. That's not how it works.

I'm still allowing for the possibility that we're either miscommunicating or framing things different. From my P.O.V. the distinction between how Deltas actively criticise society and Alphas are basically running in a parallel universe to it is very clear.

It's because you're taking Social Analyst too literally. I'm not creating a new perspective, I'm applying a label to something that already goes on.

I'm not referring to Alpha going against or with current Social norms. Or if Alpha is the quadra in the streets campaigning for reforms.

I'm referring to the way they interact on a daily basis. Alpha/Delta are the most social quadras on a functional level(+Fi/-Fe). That has been acknowledged. But Alpha is the quadra of innovation, they start things. The whole point of this argument is to bring it back to how Goku is:

too peaceful for Alpha.

It's Socionics common knowledge that Alpha - Beta - Gamma - Delta, with Delta being Stabilization, which can be another way to say peaceful.

[Beautiful sky]

Alphas run parallel to society is correct.

[discojoe]

He has the "demeanor" of an SLE-Ti 3w2: ambitious, forceful, unpredictable, impulsive, driven, ruthless, and deeply insecure of his connection with others because his sense of self-worth is derived from concrete accomplishments, so he persistently rejects these connections until his actions can speak for him; for his desire to connect. SLE 3s are insanely tragic.

Okay, that makes sense.

[Sir Knight]

He has the "demeanor" of an SLE-Ti 3w2: ambitious, forceful, unpredictable, impulsive, driven, ruthless, and deeply insecure of his connection with others because his sense of self-worth is derived from concrete accomplishments, so he persistently rejects these connections until his actions can speak for him; for his desire to connect. SLE 3s are insanely tragic.

Out of curiousity, which enneatype derives it's sense of self-worth solely from the stated opinions of others?

[Creepy-male]

we should come up with a random type generator and a script and determine what correlation this board has in terms of typings... I bet it a pretty weak correlation maybe like 0.1 or something, mostly random, no consistency....

we could also do this with self typings lol then weight peoples typings based off of this and see an increase in correlation or something.

[WVBRY]

I remember DBZ.

Goku- Si-ISTp

Vegeta- Ni-ENFj

Gohan-? INFp

Shishi- Te-ESTj

Frieza- Ni-ENFj

Trunks- ? ENFp

Piccolo-Ti-ISTj

Bulma-? ENFp

Nappa-? ISTj

Thats my impartial typing of the characters from DBZ. There are others but I either dont know their type or havent watched the show in too long.

[discojoe]

How can anyone possibly think Goku is anything besides SEE? It's the most obvious typing ever.

[munenori2]

Goku - SEE
Vegeta - LSI > SLE
Master Roshi - ILE
Piccolo - LSI
Krillin - Se - PoLR
Yamcha - EIE

I agree with all these.

[Gilly]

Eh...I spose Vegeta could be LSI; if so then maybe 3w4>3w2. But he's so unpredictable and impulsive; definitely Se sub if he's LSI, but I personally think SLE-Ti works best, he seems extroverted to me.

He was always my favorite...

[Pookie]

I know a couple SEE's and they have difficulty tieing in the events that happen to the reasons why they did. Goku always knows whats up, and is usually on point with prediciting future events based on specific occurences that have happened.

I see IEE. Goku will miss the obvious details that are right in front of him, and have a humble chuckle at it. Maybe apologize to bulma for missing something that is so clearly apparent to the group. But he almost never misses signs of foreboding danger.

Also, Him and Piccolo dont have a Dual Relationship. I think A Mirage relationship more accurate characterizes their viewpoints toward each other.

[discojoe]

I'm gonna go back and say Vegeta is LSI. Talked to Pirate about it and I agree that he's too confident in his goals and too ruthless and unwavering to be SLE. SLEs have far more doubts and uncertainties, I think, though they're still a lot better at here-and-now sort of stuff.

[discojoe]

Eh...I spose Vegeta could be LSI; if so then maybe 3w4>3w2. But he's so unpredictable and impulsive; definitely Se sub if he's LSI, but I personally think SLE-Ti works best, he seems extroverted to me.

He was always my favorite...

Pirate stressed very strongly that I remind him of Vegeta a great deal. The similarities he described were "arrogance, ruthlessness, straightline behavior and emphasis on crushing the opponent." So it sort of confuses the subtype question.

Only bumping this because of the talk with Pirate. Sorry to be annoying.

[Lobo]

Goku - SEE
Vegeta - LSI > SLE
Master Roshi - ILE
Piccolo - LSI
Krillin - Se - PoLR
Yamcha - EIE

I agree with all these.

I agree with these too, except Krillin as Se-polr doesn't seem right. Always saw him as ISXp. I'd say:

Krillin - ISFp
Gohan - INFj
Ten Shin Han - ESTj
Chiaotzu - IEE
Chi-chi - ESI
Midget witch with crystal ball - LSI - Judge Judy subtype

[Raver]

*Bump*


I loved this show as a young teen ! Anyways, even though I agree with most of Gilly's typings, I disagree with some of the typings. Here are my typings of the characters:

Goku: SEE-Fi - No doubt, as SEE as they come, Goofy and amiable most of the time, but can bring serious pain to those he feels deserve it. Can be extremely motivated and determined to protect the ones he loves.
Gohan: IEE-Ne - The way he gets angry and powerful for short immediate bursts is quite reminiscient of IEEs. Also his IEEness is quite obvious in the Buu saga when he gets older and less shy.
Piccolo: SLI-Si - Clearly Gohan's dual and fits the SLI mold quite well.
Krillin: ESI-Se
Chichi: ESE-Fe
Roshi: ILE-Ne
Bulma: EIE-Ni
Yamcha: EIE-Fe
Tien - LSE-Te
Chiatzu - IEE-Fi
Vegeta: LSI-Se - Strikes me as too strict and organized to be an SLE, so LSI would be a better fit.
Nappa - SLE-Se
Future Trunks - IEI-Ni
Frieza: ILI-Ni
Kami: EII-Fi
King Kai - EIE-Fe
Mr. Popo: EII-Ne
Cell - LIE-Ni
Android 17 - IEI-Fe
Android 18 - EIE-Ni
Android 16 - SEI-Si
Ginyu Force - Alpha

[Anglas]

can goku be IEE-Fi?
anyway I like more this version

[Phantom]

Goku - SLE
Gohan - EII
Piccolo - ILI (I think he's an Se valuer)
Vegeta - LSI
Krillin - ESI (he's an entirely different character in the Abridged series though, comes off as an SEI)
Roshi - ILE
Tien - SLI
Future Trunks - SEE
Frieza - EIE (Beta as fuck)
Cell - SLE
Mr. Satan - ILE

I don't get the ESI typing for Chi-Chi.

I can see people typing Goku as an ESE because of the original Funimation dub editing his dialogues to make him look like Superman, he didn't let villains go because of mercy, he let them go because he wanted to fight them again, what made me choose SLE over SEE was his treatment of Gohan during the Cell Games and his interaction with Piccolo while Gohan was fighting Cell. I feel his reputation for being a bad father comes from his Fi polr, how he made Gohan fight Cell without even considering Gohan's feelings about the situation, not knowing what he wanted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aDcWucKFjA

[Muddy]

Goku IMO is pure IEE. Some might assume him to be Se base because he is a fighter looking for challenges but his general demeanor is more of an IEEs. He is too light-hearted for SEE. He also shows his Si-seeking quite blatantly, remember how much he loves it when Chi-Chi makes him food?

Piccolo is strict, disciplined and introverted. This becomes especially clear when he trains gohan. Textbook LSI-Se.

Vegeta is SLE-Ti. He may seem IJ-ish but that actually fits with SLEs as their holographic panoramic cognitive style can make them seem that way. Compare him to piccolo and the p/j difference becomes obvious.

Frieza is an EIE gone bad. Very pronounced Se-HA.

Yamcha is also EIE but not as fucked up as Frieza is.

Roshi is a pervy Fi polr ILE-Ne.

Cell is ILE-Ti. Likes to play around with his opponents in creative ways.

Tien SLI probably.

That's all I got for now.

[Dionysius]

Goku SLE-Ti (Fi polr = doesn't give a shit about his family but everyone loves him. An organizer and a leader. Unpredictable. Calm and strategic.)
Gohan EIE-Fe (emotional, but serious: single-minded, with a strong hidden power)
Vegeta SLI-Te (irrational, stubborn, but efficient. Doesn't follow rules nor fits in society)
Piccolo SLI-Si (same, but way more relaxed.)
Krillin ESI-Se (protective, strong, correct)

Bulma IEE-Ne (Vegeta's dual. Crazy, unpredictable, emotional.)

Trunks LSI-Ti (Calm, serious, focused, responsible, cool-headed)
Goten SEI-Fe (Soft, childish, emotional but composed)

Chi Chi LSI-Se (Serious, stubborn, aggressive, demanding. Goku's Mirror - Not healthy relationship)
Videl LSI-Se (Serious, stubborn, aggressive. Gohan's Dual)

Future Gohan EIE-Fe
Future Trunks LSI-Ti (Nice dual relationship of a mature EIE mentoring and protecting a young LSI)

Tien LSI-Ti (Serious, focused, calm)
Yamcha EIE-Ni (Unpredictable, Don Juan, brave, focused)

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Nappa SEE-Se (Impulsive, aggressive, little thinking)

Freeza EIE-Ni (Strategist, manipulative, power-seeking)

Broly SEE-Se (Impulsive, aggressive, little thinking)

Cell LIE-Te (Farsighted, analytical, logical, power-seeking)

Majin Buu ESI-Se (Angry, aggressive, little thinking)

[mclane]

*Bump*


I loved this show as a young teen ! Anyways, even though I agree with most of Gilly's typings, I disagree with some of the typings. Here are my typings of the characters:

Goku: SEE-Fi - No doubt, as SEE as they come, Goofy and amiable most of the time, but can bring serious pain to those he feels deserve it. Can be extremely motivated and determined to protect the ones he loves.
Gohan: IEE-Ne - The way he gets angry and powerful for short immediate bursts is quite reminiscient of IEEs. Also his IEEness is quite obvious in the Buu saga when he gets older and less shy.
Piccolo: SLI-Si - Clearly Gohan's dual and fits the SLI mold quite well.
Krillin: ESI-Se
Chichi: ESE-Fe
Roshi: ILE-Ne
Bulma: EIE-Ni
Yamcha: EIE-Fe
Tien - LSE-Te
Chiatzu - IEE-Fi
Vegeta: LSI-Se - Strikes me as too strict and organized to be an SLE, so LSI would be a better fit.
Nappa - SLE-Se
Future Trunks - IEI-Ni
Frieza: ILI-Ni
Kami: EII-Fi
King Kai - EIE-Fe
Mr. Popo: EII-Ne
Cell - LIE-Ni
Android 17 - IEI-Fe
Android 18 - EIE-Ni
Android 16 - SEI-Si
Ginyu Force - Alpha

Goku: ESE-Fe
Gohan: EII-Fi
Piccolo: SLI-Si or ILI-Te
Krillin: LII-Ne
Chichi: ESI-Fi
Roshi: ILE-Ne
Bulma: SEE-Se
Yamcha: EIE-Fe
Tien - LSI-Se
Chiatzu - IEE-Fi
Vegeta: SLE-Ti
Nappa - ESE-Si
Future Trunks - LSE-Te
Frieza: LSI-Se or IEI-Ni
Kami: SLI-Te
King Kai - IEE-Ne
Mr. Popo: EII-Ne
Cell - EIE-Ni
Android 17 - IEI-Fe
Android 18 - SLE-Ti
Android 16 - SEI-Si
Ginyu Force - Alpha

[romraf]

Son Goku - SEE (IEE?)
Bulma - LIE
Kame-Sennin - LII-Ne
Yamcha - ???
Kuririn - SEI
Tenshinhan - SLI
Piccolo - ILI-Ni
Son Gohan - EII-Fi
Vegeta - SLE-Ti
Chaotzu - ???
Chi-Chi - ESI-Fi
Yajirobe - SLI-Si
Piccolo Daimao - ILI-Te?
Freeza - Hard one... LIE-Ni? ILE? IEI?
Baba Uranai - ILI
Dende - IEI-Ni
Dr. Briefs - ILE-Ti
Ginyu Force (all of them) - ESE
Grandpa Gohan - SEI?
Kaio - ILI?
Kami - IEI-Fe?
Mr. Popo - SEI?
Nappa - SEE
Raditz - LSI-Se
Tao Pai Pai - LSI
Zarbon - EIE

[Pookie]

That's Delta.

Alphas run parallel to society.

Think of it this way: aristocrats run perpendicular, democrats run parallel.

Decisive quadras intersect with society, Judicious quadras do not.

Alphas = parallel + disjunct. Alphas go off and make their own little world, freely interacting with whoever comes along.

Gammas = parallel + intersecting. Gammas form the social systems and standards of acceptable behaviour, institutions, systems, whatever.

Betas = perpendicular + intersecting. They challenge the existing systems and structures of society, imposing new ones upon it.

Deltas = perpendicular + disjunct. Deltas observe and criticise society, being somewhat a part of it, yet being outside and looking back in from a distance.

Rick, an IEE, is the most ridiculously terrific example of this and wtf when have you ever seen an Alpha like that. (p.s. tcaud is pretty self-evidently either not Alpha or too disconnected from reality and unhealthy to be accurately typed (case-in-point, his rants about good & evil on OKCupid, that is not the writing of an Alpha, end of story); his best fit is really Beta NF if he's even socionics-typable at all to begin with.)

This is one of my favorite posts on this site. Searched for it for hella long, didn't think I would find it in a Dragon Ball Z thread.

[Pookie]

Out of curiousity, which enneatype derives it's sense of self-worth solely from the stated opinions of others?

4w3, or 3w4 I would think. Off chance that 2w1 or 1w2 can be like that.

3, Self image is based on how others see you. Energy directed towards creating that image, prioritized heavier than actually being that person if no one knows it.
4, high level of energy focused on yourself, energy directed at "who you are" internally rather than "you are" what you do.

Based on theory alone, this fits you question the most.

2w1 or 1w2, having the desire to do things for people to have others view them fondly as a 2, and 1 being perfectionistic could fall into the neurotic pitfall of needing to be "perfect" for others to love them, or if others see their "perfection" then they have value. Though I'm not sure which of 1w2 or 2w1 aligns with which of those listed in this paragraph.

[powerrainbowcrystal]

"Dragon Ball Z was like a soap opera for teenage males" - Amazing Atheist.

I never really got into the show that much.

[Pookie]

Oh and for what it's worth, my posts on this thread were my first on this site. My opinion on alot of these has since changed.

Cool to see my thought process back then.

[Raver]

Dragonball Super:

Goku - SEE
Vegeta - SLE
Gohan - IEE
Piccolo - SLI
Krillin - ESI
Bulma - EIE
Freeza - ILI
Future Trunks - EII
Android 17 - IEI
Android 18 - SLI
Whis - EIE
Beerus - SLE
Hit - SLI
Jiren - ILI

[Computer Loser]

best show ever

video I made on youtube lol:

[Pookie]

I do think Krillin in DB is completely different than he is in DBZ

[suedehead]

What type are Beerus and Whis?




Japanese dub:

[lavos]

LSI - IEI or LII - SEI

[suedehead]

Other characters introduced in Dragon Ball Super:

Hit: SLI
Zamasu: EIE
Gowasu: Delta
Kale: IEI
Caulifla: Se-base
Cabba: Fi-IEE
Jiren: SLI or Se-creative
Toppo: LSE
Champa: Se-SEE