Se-Ego Type Reservation

[Creepy-Snaps]

I wasn't sure what better to call this thread. I've noticed, it seems Se-egos are more likely to with-hold their opinion regarding someone else's socionics type.

I get the impression that @lungs doesn't openly discuss how she classifies others, nor does it seem she particularly cares for classification. She self-types ESI as far as I know.

@dolphin doesn't seem to call out what other people's types are, instead maintaining a 'light' atmosphere. She self-types SEE.

@squark doesn't seem crazy about expressing their opinion. LSI.

Ananke back in the day, from 2 years ago, SLE, also seemed to keep her opinion to herself, only expressing it when asked.

Let's contrast these 4 people to Se-POLR. @Maritsa Darmandzhyan is one of the most vocal people in expressing her typing of other people. She self-types EII. @Subterranean is fairly willing to express his typings of others, and also @Marie84. Both self-type EII.

@tcaudilllg seems more-than-ready to express his opinion on many subjects, also self-types LII, Se-POLR. @Ryan quite often shares his open opinion of others' types, and also @Crispy, who both also self-type LII.

BUT MOUNTAINDEW/SNAPS, WHOEVER YOU ARE, DO YOU HAVE ANY NUMBERS TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS?

Yes, I actually put some time/thought into this. According to the 16types Typing Spreadsheet, as of July 5th, 2012, there are 40 people, listed in the 1st row, who openly share there opinions of everyone else's types. Of those 40 people, only @woofwoofl and @Bardia, whose type-consensus are SEE and ESI respectively (type-consensus being defined as not just self-typing, but the plurality of people's opinions being a single type), are the only 2 Se-egos to share their views of others.

2/40= 5%. Only 5% of people who share their opinions of everyone's types are Se-egos. Is this statistically significant? Is this due to a lack of Se-egos on the forum?

Again, let's look at the Members' Spreadsheet. I counted 30 people out of 242 contributors whose consensus type, the plurality vote of people’s opinions, is Se-ego. NOT INCLUDED in those 30 are the following who self-type Se-ego, but whose consensus type are different:
Jessica129 self-types as Beta ST, but the consensus for her type is SLI.
Joy self-types there as SLE, but the consensus is ESE.
Liveandletlive self-types SEE, but the consensus is ESE.
Scapegrace / Garmon self-types ESI, but nobody confirms that.
ScarlettLux types there as SEE, but the consensus is EIE.
Uwace self-types as SLE, but the consensus is IEI.
Myself, as I self-type LSI, but the consensus stands ESE.

Still, that being said, 30/242 is 12.4%.
12.4% of the forum is Se-ego, (theoretically, if all types were split evenly, and all types were attracted to an online forum evenly, you would expect 25% for Se-ego), and only 5% openly express their opinion of everyone’s types.
If the forum had 20% Se-egos, and only 10% shared their opinion, you would say Se-egos were ‘half’ as likely to share their opinion, or 20/10= 200%, or twice as likely to with-hold their opinion of others types.

In our case, you could say we have 12.4% Se-egos, of which 5% shared their open opinion, so 12.4/5=2.48. You could say Se-egos are two and a half times, or 250%, as likely to keep their opinions regarding others’ types to themselves, as opposed to the average forum member.

Why don't I contribute to the typing thread? Well, I must ask, why? These won’t be everyone’s reasons, but these are my personal opinions:

1) Would reveal too much of my own inner thoughts toward others, and same/opposite quadra bias. Typing someone as my dual feels like an 'I like you' popularity contest.
2) If my typing of someone and their self-typing mismatch, it could create unnecessary drama.
3) If my typing of someone matches their self-typing, it 'proves' my knowledge of socionics more, and I feel no need to prove myself.

Se-egos, do you relate to any of these 3 reasons above?

Se-egos could be more likely to express their opinions in other ways, but perhaps with sharing their typing of other people, it can feel more personal and complicated.

Everyone else, have you noticed this tendency for Se-egos to with-hold their opinions of socionics typing as well? Do you think there is a correlation? Is there some part of my analysis I overlooked, that would lead you to believe Se-egos are NOT 250% more likely to with-hold their opinion of others' types? Was the sample size too small, n=40 for expressing opinions of others' types, to give a true indication of Se-egos?

Let me know what you think.

[krieger]

i'm reluctant to throw typings out there and i have publicly advised people to lower the precision of their typing statements at various points.

[ashlesha]

i have no idea if theres actually anything to this or not, but hey you have numbers!

i think i throw out typings more often than some of the other Se egos you mentioned but my impressions are often pretty visceral and comparison-based and if i try to delve into justifications and theory i become painfully aware that its just building castles in the sky and i feel ridiculous about it.

[Beautiful sky]

Now, why do you think Se eqo types have this reservation? I certainly don't. LOL

[strangeling]

edited for gayness - watever.

[Pa3s]

Jessica129 self-types as Beta ST, but the consensus for her type is SLI.

I'm pretty sure she "converted" to SLI a while ago.

[Absurd]

i have no idea if theres actually anything to this or not, but hey you have numbers!

Ye, he does. Some math and everything becomes credible.

[ashlesha]

Ye, he does. Some math and everything becomes credible.

it makes it a little more interesting than other correlation threads that either reference people the poster knows irl and we don't or are just out of thin air. as for credibility, i dunno.

[Absurd]

it makes it a little more interesting than other correlation threads that either reference people the poster knows irl and we don't or are just out of thin air. as for credibility, i dunno.

There's no credibility at all. Taken into account some of the people he mentioned were not typed the way they have been before adhering to some consensus is just hilarious. Take the recent "who am I, what am I doing here DJ thread."

[ashlesha]

There's no credibility at all. Taken into account some of the people he mentioned were not typed the way they have been before adhering to some consensus is just hilarious. Take the recent "who am I, what am I doing here DJ thread."

well yeah i mean theres the whole typology being bullshit thing but you kind of have to set that aside to even play the game in the first place.

[Absurd]

well yeah i mean theres the whole typology being bullshit thing but you kind of have to set that aside to even play the game in the first place.

I didn't mean that, what I meant was how can one trust some numbers referenced to some spreadsheet when members in it defy the notion of a consensus to begin with

[ashlesha]

I didn't mean that, what I meant was how can one trust some numbers referenced to some spreadsheet when members in it defy the notion of a consensus to begin with

i know, i was just following that thread to my own conclusions

[Absurd]

i know, i was just following that thread to my own conclusions

Cool.

Well then, I'm going to leave Mountain Dew with his hypotheses which are quite inconclusive for I know how some of those people have been typed by "broader" community in the past that was hailed consensus, which later on changed to consensus no.2, consensus no.3 and so on.

[mu4]

I don't have any typings on that list.

I think you'll find some irrationals may have a tendency to keep their judgments close to the vest so to speak. I don't think the cause is likely to be influenced.

From what I can tell of my limited analysis of the data that's avaliable, valuers, rationals have the highest quantity of typings.

[Esaman]

Now, why do you think Se eqo types have this reservation? I certainly don't. LOL

But you certainly should. =)))))
Other types are more confident about "building castles in the sky" (as per lung) because that is what they practice doing and not just rely on things they (Se)e.

[Absurd]

From what I can tell of my limited analysis of the data that's avaliable, valuers, rationals have the highest quantity of typings.

That means they're very keen on typing people.

[mu4]

That means they're very keen on typing people.

Maybe some people like lists...

[Absurd]

Maybe some people like lists...

Maybe I am a tiger...

[woofwoofl]

As for me, I took a shit ton of time, busted my brains out over theory, got some solid typings down that way, then looked for commonalities between those typings in all sorts of ways by shit tons of dichotomies; looked at videos, looked at pics, kept in mind commonalities in the way they talk, what their eyes do, all sorts of shit like that, much of which I'm currently incapable of putting into words because it's a raw vibe thing. It's to the point now where I just look at a person for a while and I got a type down. Minimal thinking involved. Boom, I got a type, time to check it against the other types I've typed, and it gets easier and easier.

I've yet to nail down these visual cues for Enneagram, and I'll have to do a shit ton of foundational work to get to that point where I can just rattle off types and move on to the next...

And really my interest isn't in any inherent typings, which I want people to put forth the effort to warp if not transcend, but in IE/Reinin/whatever related atmospheres in terms of places/groups/etc., like with rock music leaning largely Aristocratic, with the subset of classic rock being Delta as fuck, shit like that...

[FDG]

Niffweed types a lot. Everyone else PALES in comparison.

[ashlesha]

these kinds of threads that socioanalyze the people on the forum (socionics, sociology, whatever) are my favorite. i think there should be more like it. but i have trouble coming up with ideas for threads along this vein that aren't blatantly shit-stirring and embarassing lol. if anybody has ideas but is shy about it pm me and i could be your ghostwriter or something. seriously.

[Absurd]

I'm sure as hell I'm not touching that spreadshit, not anymore.

[ashlesha]

are you mad?

[woofwoofl]

Niffweed types a lot. Everyone else PALES in comparison.

He still ain't got no type for me! what the fuck Niffweed

[Absurd]

are you mad?

I'm not

He still ain't got no type for me! what the fuck Niffweed

He had you as SEE.

[glam]

Why don't I contribute to the typing thread? Well, I must ask, why? These won’t be everyone’s reasons, but these are my personal opinions:

1) Would reveal too much of my own inner thoughts toward others, and same/opposite quadra bias. Typing someone as my dual feels like an 'I like you' popularity contest.
2) If my typing of someone and their self-typing mismatch, it could create unnecessary drama.
3) If my typing of someone matches their self-typing, it 'proves' my knowledge of socionics more, and I feel no need to prove myself.

not Se-ego but, i'm not that interested in putting up a typelist because of reason #2 given above, and because my typings may simply be very well wrong. reasons #1 and #3 sound very foreign to me; i don't type people for political reasons nor to prove anything to anyone.

it's interesting to look at others' typelists however.

actually, i think hearing people's reasons for choosing or not choosing to create public typelists would be an interesting topic on its own.

[ashlesha]

i've been waiting to see what aestrivex will type woofie! @woofwoofl you should talk to him.

[Absurd]

Ye, woofwoofl, you should.

[ashlesha]

actually, i think hearing people's reasons for choosing or not choosing to create public typelists would be an interesting topic on its own.

for the most part i just take peoples' self-typings for granted unless something strange really strikes me to the contrary. socionics is such a part of my thought process that i certainly NOTICE things as i interact with people, but i don't usually actively analyze so a lot of the typings that i'd have on a list would just be kind of taken-for-granted, lazy typings.

also whenever i get into one of my wtf-why-do-i-even-bother-with-this-shit moods i'd feel like an asshole for having a list and so its easier to just not have one in the first place.

[Absurd]

for the most part i just take peoples' self-typings for granted unless something strange really strikes me to the contrary. socionics is such a part of my thought process that i certainly NOTICE things as i interact with people, but i don't usually actively analyze so a lot of the typings that i'd have on a list would just be kind of taken-for-granted, lazy typings.

I have never made a list, be it a grocery list, sociotype list and so on, that is, what can be called a list is in my head in the form I have to do this and that, be here and there. In real life I mean.

What is this strange thing you're talking about that makes you change your mind?

[ashlesha]

What is this strange thing you're talking about that makes you change your mind?

eh?

[Absurd]

eh?

Strange that you actually go against the grain.

[Beautiful sky]

But you certainly should. =)))))
Other types are more confident about "building castles in the sky" (as per lung) because that is what they practice doing and not just rely on things they (Se)e.

or because I love people and enjoy figuring them out.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Well it makes sense. Se-egos are paying more attention to the objective form of things then of the essence behind the form. They are dual seeking that but aren't producing much of it themselves. They're able to live fully and be happy & cheerful to an extent, but they crave other people being insightful for them. They probably help cure some of the Ni-ego's narcissism by showing them how their insights are going too far in a way that they will generally absorb.

Also when the Ni-ego works at it, they can produce and learn Se themselves (it just takes effort and they don't lose themselves). Likewise, the Se-ego can learn insight. However I still think a large part of this is them picking up social patterns and behaviors from people that they've enjoyed.

[Kogoro Akechi]

What is the biggest differences between Se and Te?

[strangeling]

Well it makes sense. Se-egos are paying more attention to the objective form of things then of the essence behind the form. They are dual seeking that but aren't producing much of it themselves. They're able to live fully and be happy & cheerful to an extent, but they crave other people being insightful for them. They probably help cure some of the Ni-ego's narcissism by showing them how their insights are going too far in a way that they will generally absorb.

Also when the Ni-ego works at it, they can produce and learn Se themselves (it just takes effort and they don't lose themselves). Likewise, the Se-ego can learn insight. However I still think a large part of this is them picking up social patterns and behaviors from people that they've enjoyed.

Yeah, I guess if you take Se as only for what it represents abstractly, that does make sense (minus Ni being narcissistic and Se being objective, because that word has many meanings, some contradictory). What do you think about Ne and Si then? In my opinion, I guess with that too, if you go by the nature of what Si represents, Si types would probably find the theory completely circumstantial to what it means to them. I guess Ne would abstract socionics as a way to create meaning for them and others.

[Scapegrace]

You're all too stupid to know your own type.

[Pookie]

You're all too stupid to know your own type.

But thats how you know you're an Se ego.

[Absurd]

[redbaron]

funny thread. actually I think there's something to this in general. Perhaps Se ego is more reserved in expressing their opinions period. All of the ones I know, keep their opinions pretty close to them and don't reveal things easily. Only when they feel like they trust the person they're speaking with. They're observers. I'm thinking of the SLEs, LSIs and ESIs I know. It's not that they don't have opinions, but the SLE reserves the right to change his opinion, and the introverts hold the opinion perhaps more steadily but don't feel the need to express it.