Originally Posted by
Nico1e
I debated whether to direct this at particular types and decided to direct the question to anybody and everybody instead.
I'm becoming interested in the demonstrative function. It's a very strong function, as strong as your base function, but you don't verbalize it as much because it's in the vital ring.
My own Ti function manifests itself whenever I read about economics and I pick and choose which authors make the most sense to me. I have an awareness of poorly defined words and concepts. If the writing 'feels' wrong to me, then I drop that particular author. I don't actually verbalize what's wrong with their writing, I just 'feel' that something is wrong, and it's something that I pick up on rather quickly. But I don't, for instance, know the names of all the logical fallacies or something, and I can't always explain what's wrong with it.
I'm trying to remember how the IEEs I've known have manifested their Fe. I seem to recall that they were aware of how a group was feeling about something, but they wouldn't necessarily express that same feeling themselves. They knew about group dynamics, the group mood, and how it was changing, for instance, if the group was at first pessimistic about something and then they became optimistic about it. IEEs out there, does that sound right to you?
What about everyone else, can you describe your demonstrative function? I would like to learn more about this function, as it is a very strong function and is probably not talked about often enough.
Ok, I am going to try this again. (I'd lost what I had just written.)
Supposedly, the demonstrative's information activates the base's information. I can't recall which Russian site/writer I got this from, so feel free to take it with a grain of salt.
The demonstrative information is brought into the mind and processed subconsciously. The demonstrative is expressed by the person, though the person may not be aware of it's influence. Outsiders may perceive the influence of the information, and may mistype the person based on that expression, thinking it as an ego/conscious process.
In the case of NeFi, there's a few ways of looking at it.
A person puts out emotive signals, whether consciously or unconsciously. The NeFi subconsciously picks up on the emotive signals that another person puts out. This causes the NeFi to scan the external (or person's internal) environment, trying to find what may have triggered the emotive signals that were shown. The NeFi is basically looking for the relationship between the emotive signal and X. What is X? If the NeFi finds out what X is, then they'll have a clue as to the person's Fi.
The NeFi may also pick up on these cues, leading the NeFi to conclusions, but without concrete examples of what lead to that conclusion. Why do you think this person is sad? I don't know....followed by some after-the-fact justifications of what might have led the NeFi to that conclusion. The NeFi is most likely listing possible cues that might have influenced their info processing.
Another way that it can show up in an NeFi is that they'll also subconsciously note their own reactions to something...say, a piece of information or a story that was given them. The reaction is automatic, based on numerous things of their past experiences and perceptions/beliefs. But that reaction is likely to get remembered (thanks to their Fi), and remembering the reaction they had helps them to remember the information given. For a personal example, someone brings up a topic. I'll remember feeling confused about something about that topic. I pay attention to that confused feeling, placing it in it's sequence of what event was happening when I felt that confusion. This reminds me of what I was doing at the time of feeling that confusion. Which reminds me of what I read that had confused me. Which then triggers various thoughts I may have had at that moment. And these thoughts I can then bring up during the conversation. Many times, however, I'll remember being confused about it so often that I further confuse myself, being unable to remember precisely what I had read, only remembering that I'm always confused on that topic, lol. Further attempts of mine to clarify it for myself may lead to further confusion unless those new attempts trigger a new reaction..such as an "aha" moment. In which case I may remember being confused about the topic, but then the "aha" moment, and will proceed from the "aha" moment.
An NeFi is also likely to send out emotive signals of their own, without being aware that they are sending them out. This usually happens during the scanning process..the what-if processing, etc. The NeFi will appear animated as they go through the Ne process, then appear subdued again as they go through the Fi processing. Often being accused of sending mixed signals. And not being aware of which signals got sent out...and thus a difficulty clarifying to the perceiver what the signal is likely in relation to. (This can be a leading cause of miscommunications and ill-feelings between NeFi and NiFe.)
If an NeFi is around people who are sending alot of emotive signals out, this can push the Ne of the NeFi into hyperactive drive....overstimulating the NeFi, and they may not even be aware of why they are feeling overstimulated. NeFi enjoy being around people....and may suddenly be confused as to why they want to be alone now. The claim is that NeFi, as 'extroverts', get re-charged by being around people, right? And yet NeFi are also said to be the shyest of extroverts. This is one possible reason for their shyness, and why they would prefer small groups.