Associative Socionics Diagnostics questionnaire

[Olga]

Yesterday I had interview with Steven based on my questionnaire but only a small part was recorded by mistake.

Associative Socionics Diagnostics Chat

[Sol]

Steven looks INFP.
You look ENFJ.

You live so long in London and still have the accent. Amazing.

[Olga]

Accent is because I moved to England at the age of 32. )) And I never was bothered to improve it.
Steven is ILI in my view but the evidence is lost.
I need help with recordings of my questionnaire interview. I would like to teach people to use it and analyse it. You don't need to know associative socionics approach for this but knowing would be a bonus.

[Beautiful sky]

Steven looks INFP.
You look ENFJ.

You live so long in London and still have the accent. Amazing.

Please stop.

She's ESI. She has been in the socionics community for a very long time and a good associated of all the top socionists in Russia including Filatova. Your comments are I'll founded and getting very rude.

[Beautiful sky]

I'll look at the video when I get home Olga

Nice to hear from you .

[Sol]

Please stop.

Your offer to stop saying important truth by theme of the forum is inadequate.

She has been in the socionics community for a very long time

There are many who knows socionics for years and all of them have bad typing skills. Many of such have wrong opinion about own type. For example, it's you. Some of such even study others, what's funny.

all the top socionists in Russia including Filatova

I) Her methods are far from normal socionics and are not even popular. There is nothing to think she did something especially useful or has high skills.
II) There are no "top socionists" in sense of practice as no one(!) has objective proof that identifies types good. Also, as seems everybody, including among well-known, has low typing match <50%: 1) anyone's authority for resonable others is low, 2) most probably anyone has bad typing skills, as at least 2 good typers would have high typing match (>80%).

Your comments are Ill founded and getting very rude.

Your perception is irrelevant, if you think to give opinions about types on typology forum is rudeness.

P.S.
In the next case your messages will be ignored most probably, as many of them are inadequate or useless.

[Jeremy8419]

Accent is because I moved to England at the age of 32. )) And I never was bothered to improve it.
Steven is ILI in my view but the evidence is lost.
I need help with recordings of my questionnaire interview. I would like to teach people to use it and analyse it. You don't need to know associative socionics approach for this but knowing would be a bonus.

Olga, since you're here, I have some constructive criticism on some of your associative visuals tests. Often, in the image pairs presented, the purpose of the pair is apparent, such as one being dynamic and the other static; however, there are usually secondary aspects to the pairs. For instance, if given the choice between a static or dynamic picture, I will, generally, pick the static picture; however, vivid red in pictures is reminiscent of blood, and pictures with vivid red as a highlight will be abhorrent to myself. In picture pairs showing a choice between a neutral dynamic picture and a static picture with vivid red, I will always choose the dynamic one, which will lead the results towards me being a dynamic type. For the picture pairings, you really should isolate the "purpose" better and have each picture be as similar as possible, with only the "purpose" being different. The example I gave was simply the most startling one that I noticed, but there are other cases as well, where there is an inherent "conflict" in one of the pictures that pushes me towards the opposite of the correct "purpose." To be 100% EII in some of those tests, you would have to be NOT EII, as the only way to test as such is to accept the Pain Function as desirable.

[Beautiful sky]

Your offer to stop saying important truth by theme of the forum is inadequate.



There are many who knows socionics for years and all of them have bad typing skills. Many of such have wrong opinion about own type. For example, it's you. Some of such even study others, what's funny.



I) Her methods are far from normal socionics and are not even popular. There is nothing to think she did something especially useful or has high skills.
II) There are no "top socionists" in sense of practice as no one(!) has objective proof that identifies types good. Also, as seems everybody, including among well-known, has low typing match <50%: 1) anyone's authority for resonable others is low, 2) most probably anyone has bad typing skills, as at least 2 good typers would have high typing match (>80%).



Your perception is irrelevant, if you think to give opinions about types on typology forum is rudeness.

P.S.
In the next case your messages will be ignored most probably, as many of them are inadequate or useless.

Ignore me.

[Sol]

You don't need to know associative socionics approach for this but knowing would be a bonus.

Your "associative socionics" with colors is heresy. The less you'll use it - the better. As for questionnaires - there are not bad already and there is nothing new to say about methods of interpretation. I find mostly copyright motive as basis to create another one.
As for methods, you need to try nonverbal-intuitive one. It's quick and gives match not less than questionnaires give, generally. You can look at my experiments with video typings.

I had a look at other videos on Steven's channel. Now I'm sure in INFP version.

According to that clip, in case your type is introverted indeed, - ISTJ is possible. I can't perceive Fi from you, anyway. Fe valued type.

[Olga]

Olga, since you're here, I have some constructive criticism on some of your associative visuals tests. Often, in the image pairs presented, the purpose of the pair is apparent, such as one being dynamic and the other static; however, there are usually secondary aspects to the pairs. For instance, if given the choice between a static or dynamic picture, I will, generally, pick the static picture; however, vivid red in pictures is reminiscent of blood, and pictures with vivid red as a highlight will be abhorrent to myself. In picture pairs showing a choice between a neutral dynamic picture and a static picture with vivid red, I will always choose the dynamic one, which will lead the results towards me being a dynamic type. For the picture pairings, you really should isolate the "purpose" better and have each picture be as similar as possible, with only the "purpose" being different. The example I gave was simply the most startling one that I noticed, but there are other cases as well, where there is an inherent "conflict" in one of the pictures that pushes me towards the opposite of the correct "purpose." To be 100% EII in some of those tests, you would have to be NOT EII, as the only way to test as such is to accept the Pain Function as desirable.

Hi, Jeremy.
I am everywhere where you want me to chat with you. I don't mind to come here to chat if I would know that somebody has interest. All you need to write to me. But I am every day or nearly every day on facebook.
As regards to the test, which one are you talking about? Most likely Nonverbal test? this test was experimental and not as good as I wanted it to be. but I am not bothered right now ab out it as I have other things to do.
Generally, I understand your criticism. It is hard to achieve and I am not sure that this is necessary. I think there should be a degree of flexibility.
When I was making the test I gave the same set of pictures to different type and it happened that there was no ideal set of pictures which would give me a desired result. It is because psyche is extreamly flexible. And actually there is no worries about because approach is flexible too! This is good news indeed.
I have a set of different strategies which work together as approach. It may well be that you will show dynamics on the picture test but you may show stronger rationality and introversion on other diagnostics or this will be revealed in other of my tests.
The approach is more complex and is not contained just by one test. I have non-verbal and verbal approaches which together make associative psycho-diagnostics - I am happy to share it with you.

[Olga]

Sol, I thought it was you! ))) Come on, no need to be nasty. Relax. You should not really retype me as now everyone who knows me well agrees about my type as ESI. And you are still in doubt....No good.

[Jeremy8419]

Hi, Jeremy.
I am everywhere where you want me to chat with you. I don't mind to come here to chat if I would know that somebody has interest. All you need to write to me. But I am every day or nearly every day on facebook.
As regards to the test, which one are you talking about? Most likely Nonverbal test? this test was experimental and not as good as I wanted it to be. but I am not bothered right now ab out it as I have other things to do.
Generally, I understand your criticism. It is hard to achieve and I am not sure that this is necessary. I think there should be a degree of flexibility.
When I was making the test I gave the same set of pictures to different type and it happened that there was no ideal set of pictures which would give me a desired result. It is because psyche is extreamly flexible. And actually there is no worries about because approach is flexible too! This is good news indeed.
I have a set of different strategies which work together as approach. It may well be that you will show dynamics on the picture test but you may show stronger rationality and introversion on other diagnostics or this will be revealed in other of my tests.
The approach is more complex and is not contained just by one test. I have non-verbal and verbal approaches which together make associative psycho-diagnostics - I am happy to share it with you.

It was http://socionics4you.com/post-4754 I believe.

As someone who types as ESI, I don't expect that you would notice the inherent violence in some of the pictures presented. Although, for you, you may choose the static and ethical picture, an EII will see that although one is static and ethical, it also shows conflict, and thus, cannot be chosen.

Bright and vivid reds are Force. Two people not in harmony is Force. A person in a negative situation is Force.

I would give you specific breakdowns between pictures, but it says you must be logged in to view the test, and registering isn't easy, because all the forms are in Russian.

[Olga]

It was http://socionics4you.com/post-4754 I believe.

As someone who types as ESI, I don't expect that you would notice the inherent violence in some of the pictures presented. Although, for you, you may choose the static and ethical picture, an EII will see that although one is static and ethical, it also shows conflict, and thus, cannot be chosen.

Bright and vivid reds are Force. Two people not in harmony is Force. A person in a negative situation is Force.

I would give you specific breakdowns between pictures, but it says you must be logged in to view the test, and registering isn't easy, because all the forms are in Russian.

If you have problems with registration, please contact me and I will register you! socionics4you@mail.ru olga.tangemann Aylesbury UK

Jeremy, It seems to me that you wish to let my know your subjective perception of the pictures. It is not possible to fit absolutely everyone with the right choice of pictures. Person is not just a type. I explained already that there is not ideal set of pictures which exclusively fit to every person. This test in particular is not that good. I made analysis of the results and stated what this test most likely to show in relations to the type.
"To pass the test you need to register on this site! Choose only what you like. If you are not sure what to choose – do not choose anything. If you are not satisfied with the result, repeat the test 3 – times and every time slightly change your selection. This test was developed in accordance with the concept of O. Tangemann. It is designed to determine the personality based on the preferences in art. The test material consists of pictures that have been chosen by people who went through Associative Diagnostics. The test consists of 76 questions. Choose only the picture or photo which you like. It takes 5-7 minutes to pass the test. Analysis of the results of the first 99 people showed that the test is not accurate in the type identification. Almost the same probability of getting a version of the right (expected) type and the type that has little similarity with your actual type (27:25). You are more likely to receive as a version of the type - a subtype, ie type with the very similar functional profile. It may be a similar type of your TPE group - the same programme or creative function. Or one of the subtypes from the other TPE groups (44%), which means similarity of interests: scientists - NT, managers - ST, SF socialists and humanists - NF. Olga Tangemann 2015 © Associative Socionics "

[Olga]

Jeremy, I am happy to register you and discuss your results on some other of my tests.

[Sol]

Sol, I thought it was you!

Me is me, surprisingly.

Come on, no need to be nasty.

"Not we are such, the life is such" (c) Boomer. I say what think as truth about types. Not anyone likes it. Fe types, especially.

You should not really retype me

I should be objective. Everybody with positive own typing experience should not trust to typings of anyone, besides own. As anyone has low typing match (<30%, in common) and noone has objective proof that types good.

as now everyone who knows me well agrees about my type as ESI

I have not more basis to trust them, then to you. If they'd got opinion about your type befor than knew opinions of others, only then this would be significant. In other situation conformism prevents objectivity, especially if they are close to you.
There is the example of wrong selfyping of Bukalov what is terrible, - he's intovert, but gurus keep silence and so that botcher misleads many people about socionics. About your type I still in thinking and don't feel Fi type, based on that videos.

And you are still in doubt...

To think means to doubt.

[Jeremy8419]

@Sol

Fi PoLR can be such that it gives the impression of introversion due to social isolation

[Beautiful sky]

Jeremy, I am happy to register you and discuss your results on some other of my tests.

Olga please ignore people who don't have eyes to see

[Sol]

Fi PoLR can be such that it gives the impression of introversion due to social isolation

The problem is not E/I. I did not feel Fi in her ego based on video. But she uses glasses, - it's rather bad for my typing method.

[Jeremy8419]

The problem is not E/I. I did not feel Fi in her ego based on video. But she uses glasses, - it's rather bad for my typing method.

I was referring to Bukalov

[Sol]

I was referring to Bukalov

He's is clear introvert by nonverbal behavior, without contradictory impressions wich would be if he used not natural behavior. He's not socially isolated, - he deals a lot with people by the job.
Also I doubt a few social relations would make nonverbal behavior close to introverts. Type may be made more/less expressed, but it's impossible to change dominating behavior. At least without some radical means, not just by making less contacts.

[Jeremy8419]

He's is clear introvert by nonverbal behavior, without contradictory impressions wich would be if he used not natural behavior. He's not socially isolated, - he deals a lot with people by the job.
Also I doubt a few social relations would make nonverbal behavior close to introverts. Type may be made more/less expressed, but it's impossible to change dominating behavior. At least without some radical means, not just by making less contacts.

Isn't that an assumption, though, that his perceived "dominating behavior" by you is indeed his "dominating behavior"? Are you under the impression that amount of time you observe him is greater than or equal to the amount of time that he exists?

Also, wouldn't your assessments of E/I depend upon the accuracy of your own assessment of your own E/I through which you view all others? You do display extroversion heavily, at least on here, I will give you that.