How does Se manifest in ISTj and ESTp women?

[thePirate]

inspired by juju

xD

[ArchonAlarion]

The same as in Beta ST men

[Gilly]

The same as in Beta ST men

...only hot.

[Joy]

For starters...

Focus on who's in charge of who (hierarchy) and as a result knowing what should or should not be done due to how the rules apply to the given situation. Ability to determine the amount of willpower and "readiness to mobilize" in others. Knowing who's got it in them to put up a fight in a given situation. Inclined to take note of traits such as the size, strength/power, and financial value of objects. Using strength of will to push through demanding circumstances and recognizing when others are failing due to a lack of this quality. Ability to subordinate people/animals to them.

[Gilly]

Joy, you're not an SLE. You're simply too much like me

[Joy]

Except with shitty Fe and Fi?

[Gilly]

Nope. Just shitty Ni

[Joy]

Never mind. This topic isn't about my type.

[Gilly]

Nice diversion.

[ArchonAlarion]

For starters...

Focus on who's in charge of who (hierarchy) and as a result knowing what should or should not be done due to how the rules apply to the given situation. Ability to determine the amount of willpower and "readiness to mobilize" in others. Knowing who's got it in them to put up a fight in a given situation. Inclined to take note of traits such as the size, strength/power, and financial value of objects. Using strength of will to push through demanding circumstances and recognizing when others are failing due to a lack of this quality. Ability to subordinate people/animals to them.

Ej.

Also, what kind of animals have you been subordinating lately, and in what manner?

[Lotus]

you take your type too seriously, joy.

[Joy]

I'm not talking about my type, dickheads. What I described is clearly Se + Ti, particularly Se.

Socionics :: Information Elements
Notes on "The Socion, or Socionics Basics" -- pg. 2

And I'm not trying to convince anyone that I'm SLE, either. You wanna see what it looks like when I try to convince people that I'm a certain type? Look at my posts from a few years ago.

Also, what kind of animals have you been subordinating lately, and in what manner?

Think Cesar Millan.

[strrrng]

Ej.

Also, what kind of animals have you been subordinating lately, and in what manner?

lmao

you take your type too seriously, joy.

Give her advice on how to appear to not care about it.

I'm not talking about my type, dickheads. What I described is clearly Se + Ti, particularly Se.

Socionics :: Information Elements
Notes on "The Socion, or Socionics Basics" -- pg. 2

So, did you describe it, or did the people you regurgitated describe it?

And I'm not trying to convince anyone that I'm SLE, either. You wanna see what it looks like when I try to convince people that I'm a certain type? Look at my posts from a few years ago.

Altered tactics ≠ altered motivations

[Joy]

lmao



Give her advice on how to appear to not care about it.

I don't care if it "appears" that I care about it.

I actually do care about my type though. She's probably right. If I could simply remove Socionics from my thought processes I would. It's not that easy a thing to do though.

So, did you describe it, or did the people you regurgitated describe it?

I described my understanding of it based on what I've read from such sources. I didn't invent Socionics, after all.

Altered tactics ≠ altered motivations

Fair enough. In any case, I'm not trying to convince anyone that I'm one type or another. I haven't made any arguments or even explained why I think I'm SLE. And I don't intent to.

People can think what they want to think of my type. It's of no consequence to me. I don't need anyone's permission to be my type.

[strrrng]

I don't care if it "appears" that I care about it.

I actually do care about my type though. She's probably right. If I could simply remove Socionics from my thought processes I would. It's not that easy a thing to do though.

Well, that portion of my post was actually directed at her.

Fair enough. In any case, I'm not trying to convince anyone that I'm one type or another. I haven't made any arguments or even explained why I think I'm SLE. And I don't intent to.

Well, you've promoted it, so I wouldn't expect you to express a desire to convince people; that would be flagrantly solicitous.

People can think what they want to think of my type. It's of no consequence to me. I don't need anyone's permission to be my type.

Ok.

[redbaron]

Also, what kind of animals have you been subordinating lately, and in what manner?

oh dear.

[redbaron]

. If I could simply remove Socionics from my thought processes I would. It's not that easy a thing to do though.

see my signature.

[nilv]

Yeah, I'm starting to suspect that socionics is a drug, a mental disease, a government thought experiment, or some bizarre combination of the above. :wink:

[Joy]

Well, that portion of my post was actually directed at her.



Well, you've promoted it, so I wouldn't expect you to express a desire to convince people; that would be flagrantly solicitous.



Ok.

lol okay

see my signature.

indeed

[redbaron]

Yes we are observing, but we are not your government. Socionics is a psychological experiment. We took this existant flawed theory, MBTI and changed it slightly, so that nothing made sense, and then we sent it out to check if people would start to read things into the bullshit we invented. Of course it is impossible to ever make sense of it, as it is not real, and that's the core of our experiment - to see how addictive it will be. Human beings want to make sense of things they observe, and when they can't, they get obsessed - stuck in a loop. That's how we gain control over their minds.

[nilv]

Yes we are observing, but we are not your government. Socionics is a psychological experiment. We took this existant flawed theory, MBTI and changed it slightly, so that nothing made sense, and then we sent it out to check if people would start to read things into the bullshit we invented. Of course it is impossible to ever make sense of it, as it is not real, and that's the core of our experiment - to see how addictive it will be. Human beings want to make sense of things they observe, and when they can't, they get obsessed - stuck in a loop. That's how we gain control over their minds.

Suddenly, it all makes sense.