Negative stereotypes and bias against LSIs/ISTjs
Many people seem to hate LSI's. You know, in this forum, everyone accuses each other to be a LSI. Most LSI descriptions say something like "LSI's are formalistic bureaucrats" or such.
It's pretty much like LSI's were Nazis or KKKers. Everyone should hate Nazis, so everyone should hate LSI's. What the fuck !
Perhaps it stems from the number of IEE on this forum, but I do not think that there is too much of one. It is no worse than the "If you consistently disagree with-types, then you're most likely an IEI" mentality that has plagued this forum in the past.
They think "LSI", but they don't call it "LSI". Just imagine someone who's very narrow-minded and who shits his pants just because something doesn't fit his stupid bureaucratic rules. LSI is as easy to explain as shit (i.e. excrements).Originally Posted by dee
I didn't detect anti-LSI airs about the forum... maybe I have been oblivious. I did say bad things about Dr. Phil though.I hope this wasn't interpretted as "anti-LSI". I did single him out among the other talk show hosts (I don't really like any of them) because he's more obnoxious. Dr. Phil tells them all how it is. It makes you want to fight him over it. Except he would win, even if he were wrong.
There's no such thing. And you're LSI. And Markuz will kick your butt.
LSI
Hi, hater!
I honestly don't see why people "hate" LSIs. I think they're truly pretty cool individuals. I mean, PotatoSpirit is da shiz, but when someone said something about people thinking LSIs aren't really a very cool type to be so no one wants to be one, I was thinking "what!?".
Anyway, Sean Connery is an LSI, so how the fuck are LSIs not cool?
Cheers mate, much appreciated (c:
LSI
LSI's own. End of. At least the ones I know.
INFp
If your sea chart does not match reality, go with reality (Old mariner saying)
That actually sounds like something i'd say while joking with friends, but never in public...
Greetings, Starfall.
LSIs are cool. Often very friendly people.
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Old blog: http://firsttimeinusa.blogspot.com/
New blog: http://having-a-kid.blogspot.com/
what the fuck ?!
Why does this surprise you?
never mind
Do you think she's just talking excrements (i.e. shit)?
SLI/ISTp -- Te subtype
Yeah. EIE's are shit. Betas are shit. Gammas are shit. Deltas are shit too.
I've met some friendly LSI's, but they're rather unfrequent.
They're still more friendly than ILI's.
get out of the toilet
LSI's own. End of. At least the ones I know.
its ok you dont have to fan their egos they'll do it themselves in sort of compensatory narcissistic fashion. they're self correcting and the fuckers live forever and they never run out of money. my advice...run away...
Lefty
ENFJ
"I'm Sick of Old Men Dreaming Up Wars for Young Men To Die In," George McGovern.
Yeh, I feel the negativity which is one of the reasons I don't post often.
Despite taking things quite seriously most of the time, I see socionics as a tool for understanding behaviour rather than using it to dictate how a person 'is'. If things were that black and white typing people would be far more easier.
Well you aren't super friendly, but most of the other LSIs are.
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Old blog: http://firsttimeinusa.blogspot.com/
New blog: http://having-a-kid.blogspot.com/
but ooooooh black and white is so cool! Like really! Imagine if you can look at a person and say "asshole" "fun person" or "boooooring" at first glance! It would save tons of time and you could avoid all the assholes and the booooring people.
/joking. World actually isn't black and white. awwwwww
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Old blog: http://firsttimeinusa.blogspot.com/
New blog: http://having-a-kid.blogspot.com/
The world _is_ black and white, but the pixels are very small and we mistake them for grays. Some Ti can clear it all up (c:/joking. World actually isn't black and white. awwwwww
LSI
Edgy humour FTW
I assume everyone does this to some degree or another and with varying degrees of accuracy.[...]Imagine if you can look at a person and say "asshole" "fun person" or "boooooring" at first glance! It would save tons of time and you could avoid all the assholes and the booooring people.
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Lefty
ENFJ
"I'm Sick of Old Men Dreaming Up Wars for Young Men To Die In," George McGovern.
what, you think there are _colors_? O_O
LSI
lol
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Old blog: http://firsttimeinusa.blogspot.com/
New blog: http://having-a-kid.blogspot.com/
its just a bizzare thing to think about
Lefty
ENFJ
"I'm Sick of Old Men Dreaming Up Wars for Young Men To Die In," George McGovern.
Are LSIs/ISTjs the most cruel of all the types?
I cant find the quote right now, but I remember Smilingeyes saying that ISTjs were classified as being the most cruel of all the types on one of Dmitiri Lytov's lists.
Do you feel this is true? In what ways are LSIs so cruel and how does this cruelty manifest itself. Im not trying to start a stupid topic of any sort so forgive me if this turns into a thread about alpha NTs flaming my dual but like I said I didnt make this up. Im interested in your thoughts.
Stalin was ISTj. Stalin was cruel.
Thank you Tuturututu. Thats the quote I was looking for:
Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
Yes, ENFjs and ISTjs are certainly very risky types. Lytov has characterized ISTj as the most cruel of types. An ENFj friend of mine (married to an ISTj) calls ISTj activity power-tripping. I'd say that the ISTj is the type most likely to get into major conflicts.
The ENFj OTOH is an ideological fanatic. Even a peaceful ideology, like that of Martin Luther King, can when forcefully advocated lead to significant unrest. ENFjs have a relatively high incidence of dying for their beliefs.
One can reasonably dispute whether the INFp is a troublemaker. His role in quadra is to be an enabler to the other, more action-oriented betas. To think of his effect in a delta society, think of an old factory in which everything is routine and people just arrive to get their pay-checks. The workforce is loyal but unmotivated and keeps the management in check by strikes. The INFp would suck up to the management and urge them to use their power and force their innovative new ideas to change the factory. This might or might not be good for the society, but the delta factory workers would hate it and they'd hate the INFp.
yeah thats utter bullshit.
ISTj's are not anymore cruel than any other type for chrissakes.
The end is nigh
First thing you've written in awhile that's 100% true.
ISTj "cruel" is sorta like Bea Arthur (an ISTj, btw) on he Golden Girls... She put those biatches in their places... Esp. that Golden Girl who was a whore.
Every type--and every person, even the most enlightened--can be cruel.
Watching the Golden Girls is cruel and unnatural. Right up there with what an ISTj would do to you.
LSIs, SLEs and EIEs all have to be cruel to protect the IEI from harsh realities so we can empower people and do our thang.
I've known a few LSI's who seem to get a kick out of pushing people around that they see as in a probable weaker position than them and also to put the boot into others even when they are down to assert what they see as their need to be (seen?) as more... important than them, or dominance over their person. It seems to me something which is more specific to LSI's than other types. I'd say that this is cruel.
If I remember correctly, the context of Lytov's remark was a discussion on the type of Lynndie England - the woman soldier in the Abu Ghraib pictures. He suggested ISTj, and added that ISTj is the most cruel of types (or at least "one of the most cruel").
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
yeah, that's dumb. it's not type-related.
every type has varying people of that type. some may seem more "cruel" than others... but honestly, i think they're one of the nicer types. but i am beta NF. but yeah, the LSIs I've met are genuinely sweet. Just... if someone gets mad or upset or complains without reason, and doesn't justify whatever they're being negative about, the LSIs i know'll basically tell them straight out how they're wrong.
i think the idea of an ISTj seems like they'd be the cruelest type, without actually thinking of who they are as an individual. Ti + Se = cruel-hearted/emotionless dominance.
well.. to be frank, that's just the theoretical explanation.
there are so many other factors that come in to play.
one LSI i know is most likely a 2.
their intentions are anything but cruel.
and yes--- i'm 90% positive they're an LSI. just saying, in case someone planned on asking.
anyway, i don't think there's any precise and soundproof method of determining whether or not cruelty is type-related, or if LSIs are the amongst the most cruel.
-PLu
EDIT:
p.s.
Intentions should always be taken into consideration, yes?
what seems like a cruel action to one (like Stalin's actions, i guess) may seem like the path to good to the one taking action (i.e. Stalin). Perhaps based on life experience through the Ti and Se, they'll follow their own path based strongly on experience, which may be missing pieces of understanding that those of other types more naturally acquire. it's all based on perspective/intentions.
Last edited by pluie; 06-01-2009 at 09:43 PM. Reason: more to say.
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