I Made a Video. TYPE ME!

[rougerogue]

Link to video: https://youtu.b

Questionnaire: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...stions-Type-Me!

Don't let my energy level overwhelm you.

[Contra]

alpha extro? ESE? Clear Ne/Si valuer. You don't strike me as introverted in terms of your energy. You have more of an outward orientation. Seem like you might be complemented by an LII.

[Beautiful sky]

SEE

Se describing the weather, real and tangible places, yet you're indecisive. The qualities that you desire in others show your Fi but you're not sure about this so you're democratic about those qualities. You're not firm about anything apparently. I'm much more decisive and firm about my values especially. I always feel like you are reverting to reality, "to read up on it; to do research" it has to be tangible and real. You are not good with coming out with multitude of ideas and possibilities and potentials.

Here's the VI companion

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ortraits-Gamma

[flames]

Se describing the weather, real and tangible places, yet you're indecisive.

SEE is not indecisive and describing the physical doesn't automatically equate to Se. My mom is always pointing out something environmental, like the temperature or plants or the shade of the sky. She's ESE. IMO, Se doms rarely point out things like that because it's common knowledge to them. When they do point something out, it's usually something that looks funny about a person, etc.

The qualities that you desire in others show your Fi but you're not sure about this so you're democratic about those qualities. You're not firm about anything apparently. I'm much more decisive and firm about my values especially.

Or, maybe it's because he's Fe ego.

I always feel like you are reverting to reality, "to read up on it; to do research"

Is research and reading always based on reality?

[Beautiful sky]

SEE is not indecisive and describing the physical doesn't automatically equate to Se. My mom is always pointing out something environmental, like the temperature or plants or the shade of the sky. My mom does the all the time and she's ESE. IMO, Se doms rarely point out things like that because it's common knowledge to them. When they do point something out, it's usually something that looks funny about a person, etc.

Or, maybe it's because he's Fe ego.



Is research and reading always based on reality?

First, how did you find me? lol jk


So as a perception function it needs tangible information to form the basis of what is perceived through research and knowledge and once the static qualities are apprehended then it thinks about it's action towards it

Two Base Functions: Te and Se by Rasputin
Te - Extravert Thinker; Judging function
Se - Extravert Sensing; Perceiving function

Extraverted logic (Te)......external dynamics of objects: focus on activity of objects (location, time, speed, etc.), what we refer to as objective parameters, leading to patterns that we call algorithms and methods. Objective parameters are like variables in an equation that form an active system occupied with variables whose values are real people and objects.


Extraverted sensing (Se)......external statics of objects: (share, texture, impact, force, etc.), what we refer to as properties of an object or objective traits, leading to action toward objects via mobilization or arrangement, manipulation of force to achieve desired results.

Se is less introspective than Te because it focuses more on taking immediate action before thinking first due to it's orientation to apprehend external statics of objects, it's as though there is a compulsion to enact the external dynamics of objects once their statics are apprehended. Te apprehends external dynamics of objects, already seeing how force is shared between objects as a system and seeking to implement statics of objects through proper analysis and organization into a system.

This makes the Te more introspective function and the Se more active, spontaneous function. Te is still concerned with action, but planned action, action coordinated with the system, hence the notion of proper action, the proper way to do things, and concern with how things are arranged...all of which can be seen to derive from principle, the implementation of principles.

Being an external perceptual function Se is connected with reality and real and tangible things. It perceives the qualities of objects.

"Psychologist Jerome Bruner has developed a model of perception. According to him people go through the following process to form opinions:[10]

When we encounter an unfamiliar target we are open to different informational cues and want to learn more about the target.
In the second step we try to collect more information about the target. Gradually, we encounter some familiar cues which help us categorize the target.
At this stage, the cues become less open and selective. We try to search for more cues that confirm the categorization of the target. We also actively ignore and even distort cues that violate our initial perceptions. Our perception becomes more selective and we finally paint a consistent picture of the target."

Extraverted sensing external statics of objects Se Socionics symbol Se.svg Se is responsible for the perception, control, defense, and acquisition of space, territory, and control. It observes outward appearances, estimates whether forces are in alignment or conflict, and uses strength of will and power-based methods to achieve purposes. Se understands territory and physical aggression. It is also the function of contact and apprehension of qualia.

[rougerogue]

Forgive him @Maritsa. He simply wishes you would type him SEE like you type me!

[Beautiful sky]

Forgive him @Maritsa. He simply wishes you would type him SEE like you type me!

I see him as LSE

Please explain how you came to your conclusion?

[flames]

]First, how did you find me? lol jk


So as a perception function it needs tangible information to form the basis of what is perceived through research and knowledge and once the static qualities are apprehended then it thinks about it's action towards it





Being an external perceptual function Se is connected with reality and real and tangible things. It perceives the qualities of objects.




Extraverted sensing external statics of objects Se Socionics symbol Se.svg Se is responsible for the perception, control, defense, and acquisition of space, territory, and control. It observes outward appearances, estimates whether forces are in alignment or conflict, and uses strength of will and power-based methods to achieve purposes. Se understands territory and physical aggression. It is also the function of contact and apprehension of qualia.

I don't think you get what I was saying but okay.

And next time can you shorten that shit into something real?

Where the hell do you see him using force or power, or even perceiving it?

[Beautiful sky]

I don't think you get what I was saying but okay.

And next time can you shorten that shit into something real?

Where the hell do you see him using force or power, or even perceiving it?

He watched and took in all the interaction in the Your tying thread and in the chatbox he mentioned the perceived conflict between people and mentioned how he found it entertaining.

Not everyone can make things concise, simple and brief to the point as LSE

[rougerogue]

I see him as LSE

Please explain how you came to your conclusion?

How i came to my conclusion about him wishing to be typed SEE by you?

He receives this typing from a majority of the people here. He resonates with SEE values. He types as ESFP in MBTI (I know that doesn't necessarily mean anything in Socionics but I am giving it a bit of weight).
Additionally, he doesn't agree with the typing that you've given me. Before I posted the video, I believe @Bled typed me IEI. Whether that has changed after the video or not, I am unsure.


I think it is a bit funny that he has cared so much about what you type him. hehe
Maybe I only exacerbate his frustrations by teasing him about being LSE all the time.

[Beautiful sky]

How i came to my conclusion about him wishing to be typed SEE by you?

He receives this typing from a majority of the people here. He resonates with SEE values. He types as ESFP in MBTI (I know that doesn't necessarily mean anything in Socionics but I am giving it a bit of weight).
Additionally, he doesn't agree with the typing that you've given me. Before I posted the video, I believe @Bled typed me IEI. Whether that has changed after the video or not, I am unsure.


I think it is a bit funny that he has cared so much about what you type him. hehe
Maybe I only exacerbate his frustrations by teasing him about being LSE all the time.

And you don't see how any of your observations are a product of perception? I say this because you keep saying "he cares so much about what you type him" What impact my typing is having on him and/or how your teasing is making a change in him isn't that related to kinetic energy

[flames]

He watched and took in all the interaction in the Your tying thread and in the chatbox he mentioned the perceived conflict between people and mentioned how he found it entertaining.

Not everyone can make things concise, simple and brief to the point as LSE

But did he use force or power? No.

By the way, I talk about how entertaining it is when people fight all the fucking time. AND I cause conflict myself, a.k.a. I use force and power.

Why is wanting a good but short explanation LSE? Maybe I'm SEE wanting something explained by Ni but made effiecent by Te?

[flames]

And you don't see how any of your observations are a product of perception? I say this because you keep saying "he cares so much about what you type him" What impact my typing is on him

Black (extroverted) sensing Se
Perceives information about what might be called objects' "kinetic energy" — for example, information about how organized/mobilized a person is, his physical energy and power, and his ability to make use of his willpower or position and exercise his will in opposition to others'. This perception implies the ability to tell what reserves of "kinetic energy" people have and how useful they can be in getting things done. It defines the individual's ability or inability to exercise his willpower and energy in opposition to the will and energy of other people.
When this element is in the leading position, the individual possesses exceptional personal force/will. He is a born organizer of anything. He has the ability to mobilize people to achieve a goal and is able to make use of and manage animate and inanimate objects. Is able to work with things (objects) and reproduce almost any objects based on available samples. This is a reflection of his ability to organize material. These people are known for their striving to materialize their will, energy, and power, and for their desire to impose their will on others.

I agree he's a perceiver but he's an introverted pierceiver. Can rationals not notice any trends, by the way? And why does perceiving this specific trend make him Se when anyone can do that? That last paragraph is literally nothing like him.

[Beautiful sky]

But did he use force or power? No.

By the way, I talk about how entertaining it is when people fight all the fucking time. AND I cause conflict myself, a.k.a. I use force and power.

Why is wanting a good but short explanation LSE? Maybe I'm SEE wanting something explained by Ni but made effiecent by Te?

He can decide for or against it based on the matter of impact or how much he will gain from it, or what will be gained from it. Se isn't necessarily related to conflict but force, recognition of the influence of people.

I want to interrupt you @Eris I'm not physically feeling well enough to tackle these questions without good thought and organization of my ideas. You'll have to give me questions and let me think about it

Also LSE do demonstrate Se

[rougerogue]

And you don't see how any of your observations are a product of perception? I say this because you keep saying "he cares so much about what you type him" What impact my typing is having on him and/or how your teasing is making a change in him isn't that related to kinetic energy

Are you thinking that the "What impact my typing is having on him and/or how your teasing is making a change in him" is Fi?

[rougerogue]

He can decide for or against it based on the matter of impact or how much he will gain from it, or what will be gained from it.

I hate to admit it -- partially because I think it is "bad" -- but I do think about what I can gain from things and people quite often.

[flames]

He can decide for or against it based on the matter of impact or how much he will gain from it, or what will be gained from it. Se isn't necessarily related to conflict but force, recognition of the influence of people.

I care a lot about influence too.

I hate to admit it -- partially because I think it is "bad" -- but I do think about what I can gain from things and people quite often.

Me too, except I'm not ashamed.

[Beautiful sky]

I hate to admit it -- partially because I think it is "bad" -- but I do think about what I can gain from things and people quite often.

Why would you hate to admit it. It's you. Because of morals? you feel it's wrong according to society?

[flames]

Why would you hate to admit it. It's you

Because it's not his main function.

[rougerogue]

@Maritsa I am pleasantly surprised. You've helped me see that SEE is a likely possibility for me. The things that you're saying seem to ring true for me. Thank you for your help

[Beautiful sky]

I care a lot about influence too.



Me too, except I'm not ashamed.

right so not being ashamed is lack of Fi...seeking morals of someone else

[flames]

He can decide for or against it based on the matter of impact or how much he will gain from it, or what will be gained from it. Se isn't necessarily related to conflict but force, recognition of the influence of people.

I want to interrupt you @Eris I'm not physically feeling well enough to tackle these questions without good thought and organization of my ideas. You'll have to give me questions and let me think about it

Also LSE do demonstrate Se

How can I be a type if I don't relate to it or the people of the type, don't like the people of the type, don't like their dual, and don't relate to the quadra?

For the last time I'm not fucking LSE.

I don't see him trying to influence or impact anything, only making observations, like an Ip.

[Beautiful sky]

@Maritsa I am pleasantly surprised. You've helped me see that SEE is a likely possibility for me. The things that you're saying seem to ring true for me. Thank you for your help

how so?

[Beautiful sky]

How can I be a type if I don't relate to it or the people of the type, don't like the people of the type, don't like their dual, and don't relate to the quadra?

For the last time I'm not fucking LSE.

I don't see him trying to influence or impact anything, only making observations, like an Ip.

I'm sorry. I'll stop

[flames]

right so not being ashamed is lack of Fi...seeking morals of someone else

So.... Let me get this straight..... I have low Fi..... Because I'm "not ashamed"..... Even though, Fi egos are often different and proud about it.... Whereas, someone like my LSE sister.... Who is lower Fi.... And high Si.... Cares about being normal a lot.... Even if she's assertive about her unique opinions....

And you type someone that is so obviously Fe ego as Fi ego because you too are Fe ego and don't understand what Fi really is.

And when I said I'm never ashamed I was exaggerating.

[rougerogue]

Why would you hate to admit it. It's you. Because of morals? you feel it's wrong according to society?

I don't want to be seen as heartless. I have a sensitive side too.

I worry that I mistreat people & might manipulate them into taking action that is beneficial for me.

[Beautiful sky]

So.... Let me get this straight..... I have low Fi..... Because I'm "not ashamed"..... Even though, Fi egos are often different and proud about it.... Whereas, someone like my LSE sister.... Who is lower Fi.... And high Si.... Cares about being normal a lot.... Even if she's assertive about her unique opinions....

And you type someone that is so obviously Fe ego as Fi ego because you too are Fe ego and don't understand what Fi really is.

And when I said I'm never ashamed I was exaggerating.

I want to stop now this is too fast for me

[Beautiful sky]

I don't want to be seen as heartless. I have a sensitive side too.

I worry that I mistreat people & might manipulate them into taking action that is beneficial for me.

YES and that is Se. I hope you read that

[Adam Strange]

You could be SEE. You look Gamma to me, but I'm not so familiar with SEE types that I can say you look like one. I will say that I know an ESI-Fi male very well, and you had flickers of his expressions at times, but most of the time you look more sensory than he does. (He channels Paul Newman, but with a beard.) Also, you said something about not being sure of facts, which are the province of ILI's.

If you are SEE, you are a very reserved SEE. The most reserved SEE I have ever encountered. (Out of a group of three.)

I couldn't hear the video very well when I watched it. I'll watch it again later, when I have more time. Plus, I'll read your answers to the questionnaire.

Incidentally, when I first saw your avatar, I thought "That guy is ILI, but super extroverted for the type." But after viewing the video, I think it may be the reverse: SEE, but super introverted for the type. Alternately, you might be ESI from your looks alone. I need to read your answers to get a better idea.

[flames]

you feel it's wrong according to society?

Fe

I'm sorry. I'll stop

lol

I want to stop now this is too fast for me

We're only getting started.

YES and that is Se. I hope you read that

Se doms aren't the only people that can manipulate.

[flames]

Also LSE do demonstrate Se

But I value it and LSE don't.

[Beautiful sky]

So.... Let me get this straight..... I have low Fi..... Because I'm "not ashamed"..... Even though, Fi egos are often different and proud about it.... Whereas, someone like my LSE sister.... Who is lower Fi.... And high Si.... Cares about being normal a lot.... Even if she's assertive about her unique opinions....

And you type someone that is so obviously Fe ego as Fi ego because you too are Fe ego and don't understand what Fi really is.

And when I said I'm never ashamed I was exaggerating.

Fi reminds people to treat others well because when some people get into a logical zone they block out their ability to see that they treat others too harshly, in this way someone like SEE who has Fi in their ego block such as @rogue and I remind harsher people to be kinder and also hold friendships and make peace with the nicer people who are being trampled by the tyrannic nature of the harsher user, as rogue has done here several times and as he can observe doing. In this way both him and I maintain relationships and also have an understanding for what is kind and nice.

But I value it and LSE don't.

demonstration means that though it is subconscious to a good extent that understanding of force is still understood by LSE types as you will observe from my rasputin quote below (if you read it)

Fe



lol



We're only getting started.



Se doms aren't the only people that can manipulate.

It isn't nice for you to not try to understand that I'm just not physically equipped to answer all your questions so abruptly. I'm fighting a kidney infection. You need to have some care and concern. There comes to a point where it's no longer about jokes and fun but maturity, kindness, and understanding.

[rougerogue]

You could be SEE. You look Gamma to me, but I'm not so familiar with SEE types that I can say you look like one. I will say that I know an ESI-Fi male very well, and you had flickers of his expressions at times, but most of the time you look more sensory than he does. (He channels Paul Newman, but with a beard.) Also, you said something about not being sure of facts, which are the province of ILI's.

If you are SEE, you are a very reserved SEE. The most reserved SEE I have ever encountered. (Out of a group of three.)

I couldn't hear the video very well when I watched it. I'll watch it again later, when I have more time. Plus, I'll read your answers to the questionnaire.

Incidentally, when I first saw your avatar, I thought "That guy is ILI, but super extroverted for the type." But after viewing the video, I think it may be the reverse: SEE, but super introverted for the type. Alternately, you might be ESI from your looks alone. I need to read your answers to get a better idea.

Thank you for your response.

[Beautiful sky]

Thank you for your response.

Beskova has a great description of SEE

Napoleon, Male Portrait, ESFp by Beskova

NAPOLEON men are almost never bony and thin. This is a sufficiently solid, conspicuous, attractive, self-controlled person with a resolute stare. He is active and energetic, and holds himself rather assuredly. Everyone, who has had the pleasure of conversing with NAPOLEON right away knows who is "the boss in the house". His entire appearance points out that he knows his worth. But if he is positively predisposed to you, he will endow you with his encouraging smile and make you laugh with circumstantially appropriate (but often frivolous) joke.

He prefers to wear soft sweaters and turtlenecks of dark colors, but in suits also looks very stately. Most often he has a short haircut, although there are a few SEE individuals of artistic natures who wear long hair.

NAPOLEON is very sociable, oriented at people, easily initiates contact, resourceful and witty.

In school, boys of this type often struggle. Although they they are often leaders by their nature and value their status among classmates, they, with difficulty, master the precise and natural sciences even at the basic level. They have trouble keeping interest in subjects that do no concern people! Honestly, what is there of any interest in them?!

How to survive for such a boy in school? How not to lose the respect of his classmates? It has to be said that, here, these boys are aided by their natural charm and confidence, and, if they know how to skillfully use both one and the other, then their grades are normally higher. All that is needed for this is that the classmates let them copy their homework on time, and that the teacher positively reacts to their smiles. Usually this works, and little NAPOLEON - again is a hero in the eyes of his classmates because without his company - there is no company. And also, who besides him knows how to appeal to girls like he does? To whom, in fact, he himself is completely not indifferent to, to such a degree that sometimes he is ready even to fight with a competitor for a lady of his heart.

Boys of this type equally enjoy physical education lessons and playing sports. Here they can be successful since they confidently control their body, which means that during training they easily learn the necessary skills. Additionally, they are sufficiently solid and stable to practice even the power-based types of sport.

NAPOLEON is charismatic and authoritative, so it is easy for him to get acquainted with any new person, and also to enter into any circle. His company means a lot for him. He understands what the feeling of comradeship is, knows how to be a good friend. He can, without a doubt, be called a team player, in which he typically does not hold the last place. With him, it is not only fun, but often he takes on himself the role of leader, organizing everyone else for new beginnings.

NAPOLEON is not one of those men whom you can “capture” by force. And in women, he values intelligence and practicality. A sense of humor with an evident portion of craftiness, cunning, and wit also make a good impression on him.

The skill to understand people well, the ability to notice everything that is going on around him, and a willful character - these are the traits that allow this man to keep the situation under control. He is confident in himself and focused, as a rule, positively, on trying to support in his group or among those entrusted to him by his job, a peaceful, benevolent spirit. For instance, attempt to get into an argument with someone in his presence - it will not be successful (the exception being, of course, when he himself took part in the intrigue).

If you married a NAPOLEON, then know that next to you lives an energetic, yet also calm person, who has exceptional diplomatic qualities. At home, he always tries to uphold smooth relations with everyone, treats the members of his family with respect, supports them, and softly directs them. This is a strong and optimistic man, on whom you can easily rely for support.

Depending on the peculiarities of his character and upbringing, NAPOLEON’s participation in household matters and chores can vary. Most likely, you will be engaged in setting up and remodeling of your new nest with greater enthusiasm than him. The fact is that NAPOLEON is not really interested in the everyday side of life. He tries to not acquire extra belongings, to not burden himself with an excessive amount of material acquisition.

Examples from real life: "Here is what the famous Russian actor, Vladimir Mashkov, tells about himself: “In our house, money appeared and disappeared in the same way, easily, joyfully. I have no job on the side, bank account, or country mansion. As a matter of fact, I have a pretty calm relationship with money. I have no accounts in well-established banks for a rainy day, and into my possession come only my royalties for a movie or show I starred in. I have no country home, and I do not want to own one".

But there is one thing, which it is better to not entrust him: let somebody else handle paying the bills for your house or apartment. An enemy of formality, he does not like these kinds of errands. Try to relieve him, as well, from reading the instruction to television sets, computers, washing machines, and other household appliances. This is usually not in his department.

With children NAPOLEON knows how to be friendly. He wants to be proud of his children, trying to raise them so they become smart, worthy, independent, self-sufficient people.

Men of this type have an active, business-oriented personality. His leadership skills sooner or later will allow him to rise up to a position that fits him, so that he can provide for his family. Although, instantly finding his niche in life, for NAPOLEON, can be not all that simple. Being endowed with a strong character and powerful motivation for prestige, he is not too well equipped to be a simple performer at a secondary role, in the depth of his soul believing this is degrading to him.

This is why he often settles on the kind of jobs, which allow him to work independently, often alone, or lead a small group in such an area, where the nature of work is completely clear to him. This can be, for example, his own small company. Nevertheless, if life turned out so that he has to work with a large number of people, then such a task he will handle as well, since he knows how to enlarge his sphere of influence through the use of his authority and the ability to make many different connections. But success waits for him, in places where it is necessary to work with people. But the formal side of any job - filling out documents, making orders, establishing contracts, distributing wages - this is his real Achilles’ heel.

NAPOLEONs successfully work as psychologists, journalists, sport trainers, commentators, television hosts. They excellently handle the representative functions, heading a small firm, especially, if some logical type works as a right-hand man with him, who is able to make reliable and accurate prognoses for business situations.

[maniac]

rational maybe

[darya]

ESI or SEI imo. Not extroverted.

[Persephone]

You VI and come across as totally ethical (where the ILI thing was coming from?) I am not sure which one but definitely not ESE and not Delta in my subjective understanding.

[Mallan]

When I've seen Gammas talk in videos, their atmosphere is generally serious and focused on the topic at hand. That's what you strike me as. Based off your answers, reactions, and focus on the video, I will say ESI. Your reactions are subtle while maintaining seriousness throughout the video. Not to mention, you seem reserved communicating your answers. Another thing is you sat up straight throughout the whole video and corrected your posture in a couple of moments you were leaning or tilting your head, which demonstrates a rational type in terms of VI. There are my two cents. xD
Side note: You seem like a real nice dude.

[darya]

When I've seen Gammas talk in videos, their atmosphere is generally serious and focused on the topic at hand. That's what you strike me as. Based off your answers, reactions, and focus on the video, I will say ESI. Your reactions are subtle while maintaining seriousness throughout the video. Not to mention, you seem reserved communicating your answers. Another thing is you sat up straight throughout the whole video and corrected your posture in a couple of moments you were leaning or tilting your head, which demonstrates a rational type in terms of VI. There are my two cents. xD
Side note: You seem like a real nice dude.

I'm inclined to say ESI as well - he reminds me of a few ESI dudes I know.

[Sol]

introvert, intuit
IEI, lesser possible - LII