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    This is where I'm going to finally explain the type of Carl Jung. For the purpose of this thread, I am only talking about specific socionics types, so that means I'll use LSI~ ISTJ, ILI~ INTP, EII~ INFJ, etc...

    To start, let's consider how his creative function, Se, comes into play. For introverts, they use their creative function to find relationships and connections between subjects and objects. For someone with Se as a creative function, they become the best, must astute observers. They notice things with clarity, focus, and objection. They are the least likely of all the types to see something that isn’t there. They continue finding and exploring things until they see them often enough to believe in it. For a small definition of Se, I pulled this off of the site:

    Extraverted Sensing

    Experiencing and noticing the physical world, scanning for visible reactions and relevant data. You are one with the experience. There is no "naming" or describing - just pure, vivid experience. The whole scene comes into your awareness almost at once. You may be drawn to experience more and more, seeking any variation that will intensely excite the senses. Writing that is richly descriptive can also evoke extraverted Sensing as can other mental stimulation. The process is momentary and tied to the events of the iminediate situation. It is used in the here and now and helps us know what is really there in the physical world and to adapt to it. Extraverted Sensing occurs when we scan for information that is relevant to our interests, then we mentally register data and facts such as baseball statistics, the locations of all the restaurants in town, or the names of all the actors in the popular television shows. There can be an active seeking of more and more input to get the whole picture until all sources of input have been exhausted or something else captures our attention. Associated behaviors include eating a whole box of chocolates for the variety of tastes; playing an instrument for hours with pure enjoyment, not for practice; voracious reading or continual asking of questions to get specifics.

    If you’ve read it, read it again so it clicks in your mind.

    An example of someone else using Se as a creative function is Gregor Mendel (LSI), a 19th century monk. He spent much of his time observing plants and their traits. During his time, he was not even aware of such things as genes, but even without these he could not help but notice certain qualities and likeness between certain plants. What he was doing, in essence, was noting phenotypes without the knowledge of genotypes. To quote Dr. Andreasen on Mendel, “This Austrian monk was able to simply observe what happened to his peas based on experimental manipulation, and to deduce the principles of genetics . . . when he did not know that genes existed! All he could see were plants that varied on multiple traits . . . .”

    This work seems to parallel that of Jung; separating people into 8 different functions.

    Just to throw an odd piece of information out there, you can also consider Jung’s sex life. It was well-known that he slept around with several different women while he was married (and some of those women were kind of “crazy” too). Apparently, he was obsessed with hysterical, nymphomaniac women. This would just seem very uncharacteristic of an LII, whose fourth (weakest) function is Se. He would be attacking his own PoLR.

    As for Jung being a dominant Ti type, I have read several times that he said himself that he was an Introverted Thinking type as he describers them.

    http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Jung/types.htm

    If you read the Introverted Thinker, you will notice that Jung describes both a dominant function of Ti as well as a neurosis function of Fi. Knowing the types and his own system well enough and deep enough, it would make sense that he would know which type he is. The way he describes the different types it would be hard for him to mistake which one he is. Why would he think he has a neurosis function of Fi if his true neurosis was Si? Why would he think that he was dominated by a Ti if it really was Ni? Considering this, it is highly likely that he was at least LxI (with a dominant Ti).

    Jung also called the thinking types RATIONALS, and since he thought he was a thinker he must have also considered himself rational instead of irrational. This would make sense, too, considering his work. Even his consistency of work would denote a rational (he finished some 40-odd books). The irrational types, such as ILI, often have difficulty with actually finishing and publishing their work, thesises, books, etc… Sometimes they get bored or distracted and move on to different things. Jung was also an analytical type of thinker (rational again). He talked about things such as “psychoanalysis”. Also, being able to place people into categories/boxes is much more associated with the rationals. Again, this is another thing that is just more difficult for the irrational types to see.

    Now, it is inevitable that people are going to bring up Jung’s theory of the collective unconscious in defense of him being an intuitive (because “theory” is sometimes associated with intuitive). The difference is that sensors and intuitives will look at/ solve the same problem in different ways. Jung was a very persistent, determined and painstaking researcher; not one to rely on his intuitions to lead him. He wrote down and recorded everything that he saw, experienced, and what was told to him by several different people (btw, he was know to travel to and experience several different parts of the world to learn more- Se) and this is how he came to the concept of the collective unconscious. He started to notice undeniable patterns and consistencies in regard to dreams, etc… and only then could he come to this conclusion.

    From a physical standpoint, I’d also like to share with you pictures of Jung. Notice here that he does not have a far off, intuitive gaze; rather, he has a stern, down to earth stare of the LSI.















    “Anyone who wants to know the human psyche will learn next to nothing from experimental psychology. He would be better advised to abandon exact science, put away his scholar's gown, bid farewell to his study, and wander with human heart throught the world. There in the horrors of prisons, lunatic asylums and hospitals, in drab suburban pubs, in brothels and gambling-hells, in the salons of the elegant, the Stock Exchanges, socialist meetings, churches, revivalist gatherings and ecstatic sects, through love and hate, through the experience of passion in every form in his own body, he would reap richer stores of knowledge than text-books a foot thick could give him, and he will know how to doctor the sick with a real knowledge of the human soul.”

    ~ Carl Jung- LSI
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    "Even his consistency of work would denote a rational (he finished some 40-odd books). The irrational types, such as ILI, often have difficulty with actually finishing and publishing their work, thesises, books, etc… Sometimes they get bored or distracted and move on to different things."

    Since I don't feel like sifting through your entire argument right now, I'm merely going to state this: even though I'm a rational type, even though my friend's a rational type, even though my mom's a rational, even though my father's a rational type, none of us are consistent in the way in which we approach personal endeavors such as these.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Why is there a dragon superimposed on Jung's head in the last picture?
    Binary or dichotomous systems, although regulated by a principle, are among the most artificial arrangements that have ever been invented. -- William Swainson, A Treatise on the Geography and Classification of Animals (1835)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    "Even his consistency of work would denote a rational (he finished some 40-odd books). The irrational types, such as ILI, often have difficulty with actually finishing and publishing their work, thesises, books, etc… Sometimes they get bored or distracted and move on to different things."

    Since I don't feel like sifting through your entire argument right now, I'm merely going to state this: even though I'm a rational type, even though my friend's a rational type, even though my mom's a rational, even though my father's a rational type, none of us are consistent in the way in which we approach personal endeavors such as these.
    And my Dad's an ILI, a research scientist, and has terrible work habits. Not to say that all rationals have consistant habits, BUT they generally are much better at it than the irrationals. Sensing also helps here, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cone
    Why is there a dragon superimposed on Jung's head in the last picture?
    Umm, it looks like a smudged picture, but you can still see his eyes and facial expressions well.
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    "Not to say that all rationals have consistant habits, BUT they generally are much better at it than the irrationals."

    My point is that it goes both ways; your presupposition isn't COMPLETELY founded, though I would agree with you on the basis that they do tend to become more fixated upon particular endeavors, though it could be a very general one.

    "Sensing also helps here, too."

    Yeah, that's true.

    You just don't find the fact that he developed rather mystical ideas without becoming obssessed with convincing others of their truth in a virulent manner, such as, say, Jerry Falwell(ISXj)? You don't see his utmost security in all his beliefs?
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    "
    Experiencing and noticing the physical world, scanning for visible reactions and relevant data. You are one with the experience. There is no "naming" or describing - just pure, vivid experience. The whole scene comes into your awareness almost at once. You may be drawn to experience more and more, seeking any variation that will intensely excite the senses. Writing that is richly descriptive can also evoke extraverted Sensing as can other mental stimulation. The process is momentary and tied to the events of the iminediate situation. It is used in the here and now and helps us know what is really there in the physical world and to adapt to it. Extraverted Sensing occurs when we scan for information that is relevant to our interests, then we mentally register data and facts such as baseball statistics, the locations of all the restaurants in town, or the names of all the actors in the popular television shows. There can be an active seeking of more and more input to get the whole picture until all sources of input have been exhausted or something else captures our attention. Associated behaviors include eating a whole box of chocolates for the variety of tastes; playing an instrument for hours with pure enjoyment, not for practice; voracious reading or continual asking of questions to get specifics. "

    How does this apply to Jung and his speculative hypothesis whom drew on anecdotal data instead of "empirical" sorts of ata?
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    You just don't find the fact that he developed rather mystical ideas without becoming obssessed with convincing others of their truth in a virulent manner, such as, say, Jerry Falwell(ISXj)? You don't see his utmost security in all his beliefs?
    That's a good point that I have thought about. See, you have to remember that "beliefs" have to do with "intuitions" or "the unexplored". As we know, Jung very much explored the world. His knowledge came from his sights, experiences and observations which are all areas of confidence for a sensor. He would naturally be confident in "typing" or slotting people into seperate groups because he could easily see the similarities. He wasn't a phyisist trying out diffrent experiments, nor did he like to learn from books (like he says in his quote).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    How does this apply to Jung and his speculative hypothesis whom drew on anecdotal data instead of "empirical" sorts of ata?
    This must be where we see Jung diffrently. I don't think he speculated on much, but took the "Edison", empirical approach. He did in fact travel all through out the world, so I'm not sure what you mean here.
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    "His knowledge came from his sights, experiences and observations which are all areas of confidence for a sensor. "

    You mean his descriptions of "archetypes", Synchronicity, and all his mystical mumbo-jumbo was a result of real world experiences and empirical insight?

    His hypotheses were leaps of intuitive faith, plain and simple.

    "He would naturally be confident in "typing" or slotting people into seperate groups because he could easily see the similarities."

    Like all the other MBTI practicioners and Socionists in history, right? All of them that feel comfortable slotting people in groups must surely have extraverted sensing in their ego-block, correct?
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    "This must be where we see Jung diffrently. I don't think he speculated on much, but took the "Edison", empirical approach. He did in fact travel all through out the world, so I'm not sure what you mean here."

    You've completely lost me on this one; you think he DIDN'T speculate much?
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    "He would naturally be confident in "typing" or slotting people into seperate groups because he could easily see the similarities."

    Like all the other MBTI practicioners and Socionists in history, right? All of them that feel comfortable slotting people in groups must surely have extraverted sensing as their second function, correct?
    No, but they already have the types. Jung was like the 19th century botanist I mentioned above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    "This must be where we see Jung diffrently. I don't think he speculated on much, but took the "Edison", empirical approach. He did in fact travel all through out the world, so I'm not sure what you mean here."

    You've completely lost me on this one; you think he DIDN'T speculate much?
    Yes.
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    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    In that case, what type do you think Jung is? Can you defend it?
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    I don't think he's ISTj.

    My gut tells me INTp, but I'm not convinced enough of the position to defend it.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    I don't think he's ISTj.

    My gut tells me INTp, but I'm not convinced enough of the position to defend it.
    I think the biggest problem is that you don't think such things like "The Collective Unconcious" could come from an LSI. From how I see it, Jung did not come up with these ideas through his imaginatin, but, rather, logic. Take for example this piece from Jung's "Man and His Symbols" (p.6);

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Jung
    Whoever denies the exsistance of the unconcious is in fact assuming that our present knowledge of the psyche is total. And this belief is clearly just as false as the assuptiom that we know all there is to be known about the natural universe. Our psyche is part of nature, and it's enigma is as limitless. Thus we cannot define either the psyche or nature. We can merely state what we believe them to be and describe, as best as we can, how they function. Quite apart, therefore, from the evidence that medical research has accumulated, there are strong grounds of logic for rejecting statements like "There is no unconcious."
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    Look at Synchronicity: how could he have NOT used his imagination to come up with it?

    And that's a lot like wehat an Ni-Te individual would write, to me.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    Look at Synchronicity: how could he have NOT used his imagination to come up with it?
    Yes, it does sound more like intuition. But again, there is also the chance that he was just recording people's experiences, and noticed that some people had these "coincidences" happen to them. The the more and more people he talked to the more he saw this pattern. I do have reasons to believe that he was not ILI. The rest of him does not seem to add up to ILI. Another example is when Jung was in school. The two subjects that he disliked the most were math and P.E.. As for P.E., most LSIs do not like participating in that kind of physical activity; it would be like an LII using his Ne in an irrational way or an SLI using his Te in a rational way. It just feels unnatural and forced. Try and imagine doing that. P.E. to an ILI, in the other hand, is a time of relaxation. Cone just made a thread on this. They feel their most at ease while doing physical activity such as a sport. As for the math, I have also noticed that LSIs truely dislike it. Math deals with both Ne and Te; neither a value for an LSI. My physics teacher last year was an LSI, and you could tell he would even shy away from doing uncomplicated math. Some of my friends were even making fun of him saying things like, "5 + 5 = 15" (whether it's right or not) in mocking his math. It would even be far to say that math is a neurosis for an LSI. I've also said before that his work ethic did not seem like an ILI to me. My Dad (ILI) often has to write a thesis or report or something along those lines for his research (neuroscience), and you should see how much he procrastinates. Most of the days of the week he does not even have to leave the house to go to his job, but stays home. With all this free time he should be able to write things and get them done, but he doesn't. He is also way more disorganized than someone like Jung or most LSIs. I know you would't like me bring this name up, but my Dad has more of the work habits of an Einstein (irrational), where as Jung seemed to have paved his own path and had his mind made up about things (rational). To tell you the truth, I'd be able to believe that Jung was an LII before ILI, but there are also things that don't make sense with him being an LII. I think the VI is just the clincher; ILIs don't have the focused down to earth stare of Jung, but it always looks like that their not really "there".

    And that's a lot like wehat an Ni-Te individual would write, to me.
    I think it sounds more like a sensor. He says that he can't explain the mysteries, nor does he bother to, but says that all we can do is observe what is actually their and note the characteristics.
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    "He says that he can't explain the mysteries, nor does he bother to..."

    Wrong.

    And I'm not arguing he's an INTp, I'm merely arguing that he's NOT an INTp; get it straight.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    "He says that he can't explain the mysteries, nor does he bother to..."

    Wrong.

    And I'm not arguing he's an INTp, I'm merely arguing that he's NOT an INTp; get it straight.
    So Jung has no type?
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    After reading various bit and pieces of "Man And His Symbols," by Mister Jung, I have some thoughts about his possible type.

    He seems to write like an INTp. He is concerned with what seems to be the underlying spirituality of human existence, and much of his writing is this sort of long, convoluted trail of a deep thought process. Most INTps I have known have been able to easily sit down and think quietly and deeply for long stretches of time, and Jung's work is evidence of such an activity. He seems to want to explore to the fullest, if not verify scientifically, his ideas and theories about ourselves, and he is not ashamed of saying some bizarre things which I believe other types (INTj, ENTp, ESTj) would scoff at.

    Two INTj writers, Agatha Cristie and C.S. Lewis, both write in a very clear, concise manner which is straight to the point, devoid of pointless filler, and easy (for me, at least) to understand. Jung, however, though his writing flows nicely, is extremely convoluted and slow-to-read for me, and though I respect his mind and ideas greatly, I can't help but wonder if he could have done some editing down, clarifying, and greater elucidation throughout much of his work.

    So my verdict would be INTp.

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    Yes, I realize that he was a spiritual guy; he talked about religon a lot. I have also noticed that LSIs (or ISTJs) usually become VERY religous.

    Let me put it this way. There are three values that I can see in Jung. They are: Ti, Se, Ni. If this is correct, then the only types that Jung could be are the Betas. LSI is the most likely Beta.

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    Two INTj writers, Agatha Cristie and C.S. Lewis, both write in a very clear, concise manner which is straight to the point, devoid of pointless filler, and easy (for me, at least) to understand. Jung, however, though his writing flows nicely, is extremely convoluted and slow-to-read for me, and though I respect his mind and ideas greatly, I can't help but wonder if he could have done some editing down, clarifying, and greater elucidation throughout much of his work.
    Umm, LSI anyone?
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    "So Jung has no type?"

    Where did I say that?

    Like I said before, I'm not arguing that he's an INTp, I'm arguing that he's NOT an ISTj.

    "Yes, I realize that he was a spiritual guy; he talked about religon a lot. I have also noticed that LSIs (or ISTJs) usually become VERY religous. "

    Yes, they're usually very RELIGIOUS; Jung, on the other hand, was very SPIRITUAL

    "Let me put it this way. There are three values that I can see in Jung. They are: Ti, Se, Ni. If this is correct, then the only types that Jung could be are the Betas. LSI is the most likely Beta. "

    Seeing as how I completely disagree with your definition of Se, I wouldn't say he has Se in his EGO-block.

    "Umm, LSI anyone?"

    How so? LSIs are usually write in a very clear and very formal manner; two good examples of this would be Pearl and Five.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    "So Jung has no type?"

    Where did I say that?

    Because you are arguing against LSI, but you can't argue for ILI... and then you can't think of a better choice. He has to be one of them. Which is it? I see LII as MORE likely than ILI, but there are still problems with him being that type.

    Like I said before, I'm not arguing that he's an INTp, I'm arguing that he's NOT an ISTj.

    "Yes, I realize that he was a spiritual guy; he talked about religon a lot. I have also noticed that LSIs (or ISTJs) usually become VERY religous. "

    Yes, they're usually very RELIGIOUS; Jung, on the other hand, was very SPIRITUAL

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    "Let me put it this way. There are three values that I can see in Jung. They are: Ti, Se, Ni. If this is correct, then the only types that Jung could be are the Betas. LSI is the most likely Beta. "

    Seeing as how I completely disagree with your definition of Se, I wouldn't say he has Se in his EGO-block.

    So now you're back to ILI maybe? But what about his dislike of Te, IEI?!?

    "Umm, LSI anyone?"

    How so? LSIs are usually write in a very clear and very formal manner; two good examples of this would be Pearl and Five.

    Because of the slow read, need for editing etc..
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    I could plant a nuclear warhead on your skull and it still wouldn' t cause a dent.

    I give up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    I could plant a nuclear warhead on your skull and it still wouldn' t cause a dent.

    I give up.
    I've learned the same thing just by reading his posts. I won't dare interact with him.

    Love you, Rocky!
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    Is Rocky simply trying desperately to claim yet more "SLIs" ? I wonder why no one has tried to claim Hitler yet.

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    Do I really seem THAT stubborn? I mean, I have changed my mind on things before like when... well, there must have been sometime...

    Really, though, I'm not trying to be stubborn, I AM trying to listen to your arguments but you don't seem to have much in defense to concince me outside of you just don't think he is LSI.
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    I thought my spiritual/not religious argument was strong enough, and my noting of his mystical characteristics. When an ISTj is spiritual they are spiritual in a neurotic manner; when INTps are spiritual, they make up all their own rules in the matter though usually tend towards one religion or another, though not out of a neurotic desire "to believe", but out of the sheer sense that the particular religion makes to them.

    Anyway, I'm done.
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    "Is Rocky simply trying desperately to claim yet more "SLIs" Rolling Eyes ? I wonder why no one has tried to claim Hitler yet."

    No, he's setting him up in the opposing quadra.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    The only person that can convince Rocky otherwise is himself ... just keep doing what you are doing and let him be, he will change his mind when he sees diffrently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous
    Is Rocky simply trying desperately to claim yet more "SLIs" ? I wonder why no one has tried to claim Hitler yet.
    No, I said Logical-sensory Intratim which is my Quasi. I think Jung is Beta.

    And what famous SLI's have I tried to claim? Edison? A handful of athletes? That's about it. Hell, even Dimitri Lytov typed Edison as an SLI.

    As for Jung, it seems like we are not going to agree with this one. We just view Jung diffrently, it seems. BTW, Ni isn't a neurosis for an LSI; their neurosis functions are Te and Fi (both of which I think Jung had, but whatever).
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    But you have to remember that the Hidden Agenda is "the main source of pyschological problems" for a person.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Like I said before, be seem to have come to a hault here. Because we will never seem to agree on this, and because I think physical evidence is important anyways, I'm just going to entertain myself with more Carl Jung pictures. You don't have to respond to this.























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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    But you have to remember that the Hidden Agenda is "the main source of pyschological problems" for a person.
    And BTW, Jon Niednagel made a CD program describing his brain types, and one of the 9 CDs in it actually was about "Enhancing your spirituality through BrainTypes", as odd as that sounds. So, apparently, LSIs can be spiritual, too. It actually seems to be a big thing for them.
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    It's a scam, he knows there are a lot of new-agey people into this sort of thing.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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