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    Is socioncs too simple and lacking of finite understanding of people to be used in any practical way?

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    no, it sure isn't simple if i read some posts in this forum.

    it is however very useful in explaining human behaviour and relationships.

    How you would like to use this practically is up to you.

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    Understand what Model-A as practiced by professional socionists does model and does not.

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    The simplicity is the beauty: it's all right in front of your face if you're willing and able to see it. Nothing in Socionics is mystical or hard to understand if you learn to observe how it manifests in real life.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GillySaysGoodbye
    The simplicity is the beauty: it's all right in front of your face if you're willing and able to see it. Nothing in Socionics is mystical or hard to understand if you learn to observe how it manifests in real life.
    I agree. The question is, will you allow yourself to defy the "object" you are trained by social neccessity to see, in favor of seeing the world that exists beneath.

    Socionics defies all pretenses of common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    Quote Originally Posted by GillySaysGoodbye
    The simplicity is the beauty: it's all right in front of your face if you're willing and able to see it. Nothing in Socionics is mystical or hard to understand if you learn to observe how it manifests in real life.
    I agree. The question is, will you allow yourself to defy the "object" you are trained by social neccessity to see, in favor of seeing the world that exists beneath.

    Socionics defies all pretenses of common sense.


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    It depends on what your expectations are - what practical uses you're hoping for. When I see myself freaking my ISFj brother out, I now know how to stop. That is a practical use, and having the ability to see those kinds of things is plenty for me to find it worthwhile. If you're looking for some kind of major societal uses, I don't know if that'll ever happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    It depends on what your expectations are - what practical uses you're hoping for. When I see myself freaking my ISFj brother out, I now know how to stop. That is a practical use, and having the ability to see those kinds of things is plenty for me to find it worthwhile. If you're looking for some kind of major societal uses, I don't know if that'll ever happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electric
    Is socioncs too simple and lacking of finite understanding of people to be used in any practical way?
    No, it's too complex and in it's complexity loses it's understanding of people that could have otherwise been used in a practical way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Quote Originally Posted by electric
    Is socioncs too simple and lacking of finite understanding of people to be used in any practical way?
    No, it's too complex and in it's complexity loses it's understanding of people that could have otherwise been used in a practical way.
    Only if you're too dumb to understand it or realize its simplicity.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    Quote Originally Posted by GillySaysGoodbye
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Quote Originally Posted by electric
    Is socioncs too simple and lacking of finite understanding of people to be used in any practical way?
    No, it's too complex and in it's complexity loses it's understanding of people that could have otherwise been used in a practical way.
    Only if you're too dumb to understand it or realize its simplicity.
    It's not that... it's just too easy to over analyze, especially when you're still learning.

    fwiw, I learned more in three nights of traveling around to various association meetings than I have in six months here. I thought of making a thread on some of the stuff I realized that I've been thinking of incorrectly. Perhaps I'll get around to that in a bit.

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    Yeah, well, once you actually understand what the functions are and how they manifest and work together, it's really not that complex at all. It's all right in front of your face. It just takes a while to get past all of the people who try to over-complicate it.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GillySaysGoodbye
    Yeah, well, once you actually understand what the functions are and how they manifest and work together, it's really not that complex at all. It's all right in front of your face. It just takes a while to get past all of the people who try to over-complicate it.
    I sort of agree. I'm not sure it's worth it, but if you stick it out long enough to understand the complexities of socionics without over analyzing you're in good shape. I still think that all that's needed to have a working understanding of socionics is to understand the information elements and duality/model A.

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    Well, that's all that's needed to understand that much of it, yeah
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Quote Originally Posted by GillySaysGoodbye
    Yeah, well, once you actually understand what the functions are and how they manifest and work together, it's really not that complex at all. It's all right in front of your face. It just takes a while to get past all of the people who try to over-complicate it.
    I sort of agree. I'm not sure it's worth it, but if you stick it out long enough to understand the complexities of socionics without over analyzing you're in good shape. I still think that all that's needed to have a working understanding of socionics is to understand the information elements and duality/model A.
    Model-A is more than duality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Quote Originally Posted by GillySaysGoodbye
    Yeah, well, once you actually understand what the functions are and how they manifest and work together, it's really not that complex at all. It's all right in front of your face. It just takes a while to get past all of the people who try to over-complicate it.
    I sort of agree. I'm not sure it's worth it, but if you stick it out long enough to understand the complexities of socionics without over analyzing you're in good shape. I still think that all that's needed to have a working understanding of socionics is to understand the information elements and duality/model A.
    Model-A is more than duality.
    sure, there are 15 other intertype relations as well

    Duality defines types though, imo, and duality is about model A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GillySaysGoodbye
    Yeah, well, once you actually understand what the functions are and how they manifest and work together, it's really not that complex at all. It's all right in front of your face. It just takes a while to get past all of the people who try to over-complicate it.
    Socionics isn't very complex but what about the people and relationships socionics tries to describe, are they anymore complex?
    Is using socionics holding you back from truly 'getting' another person?

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    getting to know people is an experiential process, not a theoretical one. while socionics can help you avoid screwing things up by giving you understanding of another person's motivations and preferences, in order to get to know people you really have to put the damn book down and get to know the person. types are general groupings, but a person is not just his type. people are infinitely varied and to get beyond a superficial knowledge of them, you can't use socionics to dictate the relationship, only inform it. you master the tool, the tool should not be your master.

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