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    The Hidden Agenda's secret!
    By Reuben McNew [ENTP]

    The Hidden Agenda forms through a three part process:

    1st - the 4th function makes its declaration and commands obedience
    2nd - the 6th function hears and makes a rational judgement concerning the demands of the 4th function
    3rd - the 6th function forms an idea on appropiate behaviour and waits in ambush for manifestation

    What the PoLR commands of its subjects:

    - Thou shalt not love, for rejection's sake!
    - Thou shalt not be forceful and demanding!
    - Thou shalt not cast vain predictions!
    - Thou shalt not aquire substantial knowledge!
    - Thou shalt not maintain for thyself much!
    - Thou shalt not guage the true potential!
    - Thou shalt not inquire for the sake of inquiry!
    - Thou shalt not be loved, for that is betrayal!

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    How the Hidden Agenda developes itself:

    tells its commandment and says - I can not love, I will be unloved and rejected by the world!

    tells its commandment and says - I can not demand, my surroundings will be left in constant chaos!

    tells its commandment and says - I can not predict, I am underestimated and lacking potential!

    tells its commandment and says - I can not aquire knowledge, I am intellectually unimportant!

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    tells its commandment and says - I can not maintain, I feel lethargic and in need of much substance!

    tells its commandment and says - I can not see the true potential, the due process of time is against me!

    tells its commandment and says - I can not inquire, the world will view me as clumsy and ignorant!

    tells its commandment and says - I can not be loved, I must prove my love to people!

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    How the Hidden Agenda manifests itself:

    - If I can convince others that they truly love me, then I would finally love!
    - If I take good care of my surroundings, then I would be forceful and demanding!
    - If I can demonstrate flawless potential, then I would trust prediction!
    - If I could convince others I am somebody worth hearing, then I must understand!
    - If I can gather much from my surroundings, I could then maintain!
    - If I could only control time itself, I can gauge the true potential of things!
    - If I can posess great unquestionable knowledge, then I could inquire for myself!
    - If I convince others of my love to them, I would be loved by them!

    How the Hidden Agenda is potentially perceived by others:

    Agenda - an observer says, "Can you believe this guy? He acts friendly, then blow me off! What a weirdo!"

    Agenda - an observer says, "Boy, he is so PASSIVE! Atleast he is neat, clean, and takes care of his surroundings! "

    Agenda - an observer says, "This guy on is on the ball, but somethings I think he tries WAY too hard at times ..."

    Agenda - an observer says, "What is with this guy? He talks and debates over so many nonsensical things, so irritating!"

    Agenda - an observer says, "Who does he think he is? These things do not belong specifically to him! Stupid Jerk!"

    Agenda - an observer says, "For being such an annoying and overbearing prick, he can sure save for the longterm!"

    Agenda - an observer says, "What? You do not like me that much? But you seemed so interested in talking to me!"

    Agenda - an observer says, "Boy this guy is a drag, he makes a better pet than he would a person ... Poor guy!"

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    Very interesting and useful, thank you!
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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    Default Re: The Hidden Agenda's secret! [from socion.info]

    Quote Originally Posted by Transigent
    Quote Originally Posted by rmcnew
    - Thou shalt not love, for rejection's sake!
    - Thou shalt not be forceful and demanding!
    - Thou shalt not cast vain predictions!
    - Thou shalt not aquire substantial knowledge!
    - Thou shalt not maintain for thyself much!
    - Thou shalt not guage the true potential!
    - Thou shalt not inquire for the sake of inquiry!
    - Thou shalt not be loved, for that is betrayal!
    I don't get it, I thought the hidden agenda was something that the person tried to do somehow, instead of try not to do?
    Those are the PoLRs, Transigent, not the hidden agenda's.
    MAYBE I'LL BREAK DOWN!!!


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    Wow.

    RMCNew, even though I take the chance of overloading your hidden agenda, I must say this ihs absolutely brilliant.
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

    "Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MysticSonic
    Wow.

    RMCNew, even though I take the chance of overloading your hidden agenda, I must say this ihs absolutely brilliant.
    Well, that is not such a bad thing ... the socion.info website was created out of an illusionary relationship partnership [ENTp/INFp] afterall, so I suppose that should be something expected ... Thank you ...

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    Alot of these maxims overlap into other types. For example, your explanation of the hidden agenda, "to love", could fit with IxTps, as well as INFps and ESTjs (as I have seen it happen.)
    Binary or dichotomous systems, although regulated by a principle, are among the most artificial arrangements that have ever been invented. -- William Swainson, A Treatise on the Geography and Classification of Animals (1835)

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    What types are associated with what hidden agenda function symbols? I can't get it clear in my mind, even after browsing around the 16types main website.

    Like, an Fe hidden agenda signals a "desire to love?"
    thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MySaviour
    What types are associated with what hidden agenda function symbols? I can't get it clear in my mind, even after browsing around the 16types main website.

    Like, an Fe hidden agenda signals a "desire to love?"
    Glad you asked that. I wanted to but was afraid to.
    <--- Me pouring out all my love on you!

    Some days its just not worth chewing through the restraints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cone
    Alot of these maxims overlap into other types. For example, your explanation of the hidden agenda, "to love", could fit with IxTps, as well as INFps and ESTjs (as I have seen it happen.)
    Maybe, but it does not help to look into it so literally that the lines get blurred. Do they all for the same reasons? Does every type fear the same thing? If no ... then why blur the lines ...

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    Fe= To be loved
    Fi= To love
    Se= To be wealthy
    Si= To be healthy
    Te= To know
    Ti= To understand
    Ne= To be perfect
    Ni= To believe
    MAYBE I'LL BREAK DOWN!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by MySaviour
    What types are associated with what hidden agenda function symbols? I can't get it clear in my mind, even after browsing around the 16types main website.

    Like, an Fe hidden agenda signals a "desire to love?"

    It is important to know that the "Hidden Agenda" is a motivation made out of "fears" ... even though some types might demonstrate similar behaviours, they do not always for the same reason.

    ENTp, ESTp - to be loved [empathy]
    INTp, ISTp - to love [sympathy]
    INTj, INFj - to care for their surroundings [health]
    ENTj, ENFj - to benefit from their surroundings [wealth]
    ISTj, ISFj - to control the due process of time [belief]
    ESTj, ESFj - to demonstrate absolute potential [perfection]
    ENFp, ESFp - to posess great knowledge [knowing]
    INFp, ISFp - to show understanding [understanding]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Te= To know
    Ti= To understand
    Now I see why my Ti is stronger than my Te, even though "getting it out" greatly aids my thinking process.
    I also kinda understand my hidden agenda to some extent. Although only very superficially (And my Te wants an understanding). However, all of the hidden agendas (Except, perhaps, for the Se one) seem like noble goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darklord
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Te= To know
    Ti= To understand
    Now I see why my Ti is stronger than my Te, even though "getting it out" greatly aids my thinking process.
    I also kinda understand my hidden agenda to some extent. Although only very superficially (And my Te wants an understanding). However, all of the hidden agendas (Except, perhaps, for the Se one) seem like noble goals.
    Yes, but what motivates you out of fear ...

    Do you talk and debate alot about nonsensical things in an attempt to show that you have some sort of understanding, because you feel guilty or afraid in knowing -

    or

    Do you tend to act passivelly, yet keep your surrounding clean because asserting yourself with forceful demands makes you feel afraid or guilty -

    I hope I am explaining those right, but one of those is a fear motivator for you.

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    Kinda like the last, except that I usually ignore the guilt and fear.
    Beware! Nerd genes on the prowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darklord
    Kinda like the last, except that I usually ignore the guilt and fear.
    Definatelly INFj, then ...

    I should figure out a way to make questions for these in my typology test the way I have them written in the article ... would make it an easier tool to help type people in my opinion.

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