ISTp-ENFp duality complementary subtypes (IEE-SLI)

[kensi]

Totally. Our kids owe their existence to Terry Pratchett, Red Dwarf, Dad's Army, Herbert Rosendorfer and the 1998 World Cup.

With ENFps and ISTps - I'm thinking that it might also be important where and how you interact, because we both need to feel relaxed, at ease, and able to open up and goof around. What do you think? If an ENFp and an ISTp meet only in situations that make one of them go into emergency shutdown mode, there's one more potential love story gone down the drain.

EDITED TO ADD: ...duh. Everyone's like that to some extent. But my hunch is that stressed out ISTps and ENFps can clam up very thoroughly.

I completely agree with your comments ...with what has happened to me.....duality is like owning a new engine...there has to be a run-in period (especially if one has had insufficient experience with duality relationships---noone wants to get hurt and encounters feel somewhat awkward but only at first)

[kensi]

This ìs pretty much my experience with SLIs. Te subtypes are quite annoying at times.

i have to agree. Nothing against them....but not the same to me as an Si subtype......what does that make me then ...an Ne-ENFp.....i dunno, perhaps it does.

[kensi]

IEEs can at times be mistaken for introverts. They often have a live-and-let-live attitude toward others and can't be described as intrusive or particularily expansive.

I think that that may have a lot to do with the fact that N is coupled with F as a dominant attitude and thus ENFps pick their spots until they find an Fi field which interests them.... If N was coupled with T as for ENTps....extraversion would be a lot more noticeable as T is direct and simply goes about its business unlike the choosy and more concentrated F.

As an xNFp, i sometimes thought of myself as introvert...thus i was INFp.....but later noticed when Fi was satisfied I became a total extravert and to this day consider myself ENFp for the most part.

[JuJu]

i have to agree. Nothing against them....but not the same to me as an Si subtype......what does that make me then ...an Ne-ENFp.....i dunno, perhaps it does.

a little birdie told me that Si goes with Ne and Fi with Te.

quoted for kensi if you have a video i could try to tell what subtype you are for sure.

love the Te's... anyone got a Te-ISTp example we could put up in this mutha?

[jessica129]

Me!

[Sirena]

If I remember correctly, you have not experienced interaction with IEEs very much. That explains your opinion about them.

IEEs can at times be mistaken for introverts. They often have a live-and-let-live attitude toward others and can't be described as intrusive or particularily expansive.

Most of my friends talk to me and I just listen and listen. Even my introvert friends say I'm overly quiet at times. I even sometimes feel awkward when I'm with a person and I don't know what to say.

So I doubt a quiet IEE will annoy you. Maybe the ones you know are not IEE.

I think that that may have a lot to do with the fact that N is coupled with F as a dominant attitude and thus ENFps pick their spots until they find an Fi field which interests them.... If N was coupled with T as for ENTps....extraversion would be a lot more noticeable as T is direct and simply goes about its business unlike the choosy and more concentrated F.

As an xNFp, i sometimes thought of myself as introvert...thus i was INFp.....but later noticed when Fi was satisfied I became a total extravert and to this day consider myself ENFp for the most part.

These two statements explain me so well!

[kensi]

These two statements explain me so well!

If that's the case then you probably noticed as well...... that if you are at a group function(say a dinner of 10 0r so people).....you probably have trouble concentrating on everything going on...as it feels like you are everywhere and nowhere at the same time.........till you realize that all you are looking for is Fi stimulus....and if you can slowly aquire enough of it piece by piece you become extraverted with your Ne......till then you somewhat remain fairly quiet for the most part.....which is somewhat contradictory to being an extrovert.

I thinke that Beta ENFj and INFp have a much better grasp on such a group function cause they are at ease with such an Fe situation...and thus even an INFp may look more extraverted than an ENFp......i think that ENFps prefer to deal one on one, one on one, one on one etc.(and a lot of it) if they had a choice....but it takes a while for this phenomena to emerge.....takes a while for these connections to be built up...

....i don't know...that's just what i think.

[Sirena]

If that's the case then you probably noticed as well...... that if you are at a group function(say a dinner of 10 0r so people).....you probably have trouble concentrating on everything going on...as it feels like you are everywhere and nowhere at the same time.........till you realize that all you are looking for is Fi stimulus....and if you can slowly aquire enough of it piece by piece you become extraverted with your Ne......till then you somewhat remain fairly quiet for the most part.....which is somewhat contradictory to being an extrovert.

I thinke that Beta ENFj and INFp have a much better grasp on such a group function cause they are at ease with such an Fe situation...and thus even an INFp may look more extraverted than an ENFp......i think that ENFps prefer to deal one on one, one on one, one on one etc.(and a lot of it) if they had a choice....but it takes a while for this phenomena to emerge.....takes a while for these connections to be built up...

....i don't know...that's just what i think.

I really like the way you put things into perspective. The way you just described this explains my experience 100%! It definitely explains how I've come to think of myself as a strong ENFp, but still had some trouble explaining the extroversion/introversion thing. This was the only thing that didn't quite add up, but what you said makes perfect sense. One-on-one, one-on-one, one-on-one is my thing. If I can make that Fi connection, I feel like I can be myself. Fe I'm not so comfortable with a lot of times.

[xyz]

I like one on one.

Everything else is too much going on.

[Sirena]

I like one on one.

Everything else is too much going on.

That's why we're duals....dude.

[xyz]

That's why we're duals....dude.

Most don't think so

[Sirena]

Most don't think so

That we're duals?

[xyz]

That we're duals?

That I'm even Delta. Most keep insisting i'm SEI.

[Sirena]

That I'm even Delta. Most keep insisting i'm SEI.

Oh, that's crap. I think you're definitely SLI Si subtype. That makes the most sense IMO. Don't you listen to them Luis. Stay away from the light!

[xyz]

Oh, that's crap. I think you're definitely SLI Si subtype. That makes the most sense IMO. Don't you listen to them Luis. Stay away from the light!

Yeah I just like to keep an open mind but SEI has never made sense for quite a few reasons. One of em being... well, I really hate talking about how I feel about things. I just like talking about how things are

[Sirena]

Yeah I just like to keep an open mind but SEI has never made sense for quite a few reasons. One of em being... well, I really hate talking about how I feel about things. I just like talking about how things are

There ya go! But yeah, an open mind is good. But fwiw, that's my opinion. I also think the way you responded to my IEI vs IEE thread was telling in regards to duality. Fi>Fe. Anyway, there's my 2 cents. I could expand if you're interested in upgrading to 25 cents.

[redbaron]

I like one on one.

Everything else is too much going on.

I totally feel this way. I much prefer one on one. Am I delta now?

[xyz]

There ya go! But yeah, an open mind is good. But fwiw, that's my opinion. I also think the way you responded to my IEI vs IEE thread was telling in regards to duality. Fi>Fe. Anyway, there's my 2 cents. I could expand if you're interested in upgrading to 25 cents.

Naw I trust ya. I'd save that explanation for the next time someone suggests SEI in, oh, a week.

And seriously, Fi > Fe.

I totally feel this way. I much prefer one on one. Am I delta now?

Welcome home.

[Sirena]

I totally feel this way. I much prefer one on one. Am I delta now?

Yes! Nah, seriously. I don't think we're suggesting that only Deltas or particularly ENFps are the only ones to prefer one on one interactions. We are simply making a distinction between our comfort levels in a group setting. Someone that values Fe>Fi is more likely to feel comfortable in being involved in the dynamics of the "emotional atmosphere" of a group. Although I would expect most introverts to respond to it in a more quiet way, they are still more easily influenced by it and able to influence and contribute to it. This is my interpretation, anyway. We were also trying to explain why ENFps, as extroverts, often feel so introverted in group settings. INFps are introverts, so this is more expected.

[xyz]

Yes! Nah, seriously. I don't think we're suggesting that only Deltas or particularly ENFps are the only ones to prefer one on one interactions. We are simply making a distinction between our comfort levels in a group setting. Someone that values Fe>Fi is more likely to feel comfortable in being involved in the dynamics of the "emotional atmosphere" of a group. Although I would expect most introverts to respond to it in a more quiet way, they are still more easily influenced by it and able to influence and contribute to it. This is my interpretation, anyway. We were also trying to explain why ENFps, as extroverts, often feel so introverted in group settings. INFps are introverts, so this is more expected.

yeah exactly. ENFp's can be quiet in groups in everything, but what distinguishes them from me is that they're more of the type to hunt me down if they see me not talking.

[redbaron]

Welcome home.

[redbaron]

Yes! Nah, seriously. I don't think we're suggesting that only Deltas or particularly ENFps are the only ones to prefer one on one interactions. We are simply making a distinction between our comfort levels in a group setting. Someone that values Fe>Fi is more likely to feel comfortable in being involved in the dynamics of the "emotional atmosphere" of a group. Although I would expect most introverts to respond to it in a more quiet way, they are still more easily influenced by it and able to influence and contribute to it. This is my interpretation, anyway. We were also trying to explain why ENFps, as extroverts, often feel so introverted in group settings. INFps are introverts, so this is more expected.

I know, I was just joshin.

[Sirena]

yeah exactly. ENFp's can be quiet in groups in everything, but what distinguishes them from me is that they're more of the type to hunt me down if they see me not talking.

It's funny that you say that because I seem to always have an inclination to do this (seek out and talk to the person that is not talking). I've always been more intrigued by the quiet ones. It's like I want to figure out what they're thinking because they're not out there with it. I want to find out what's going on inside their head.

[Sirena]

I know, I was just joshin.

I thought you probably were. Sometimes putting what I'm thinking into words helps clarify things for me, so I thought I'd give my opinion anyway.

[xyz]

It's funny that you say that because I seem to always have an inclination to do this (seek out and talk to the person that is not talking). I've always been more intrigued by the quiet ones. It's like I want to figure out what they're thinking because they're not out there with it. I want to find out what's going on inside their head.

I think from now on that'll be a good tip off for ENFps.

If I ever find myself saying "Hey stop trying to get inside my head!"

[redbaron]

It's funny that you say that because I seem to always have an inclination to do this (seek out and talk to the person that is not talking). I've always been more intrigued by the quiet ones. It's like I want to figure out what they're thinking because they're not out there with it. I want to find out what's going on inside their head.

Now that does sound like ENFp. I like the quiet ones too but I'm MUCH less likely to go over and start talking to them. If they start talking to me though, I'm very intrigued and I end up feeling special that the "quiet" one singled me out.

[Sirena]

I think from now on that'll be a good tip off for ENFps.

If I ever find myself saying "Hey stop trying to get inside my head!"

Haha...I've had several people tell me this before.

[kensi]

It's funny that you say that because I seem to always have an inclination to do this (seek out and talk to the person that is not talking). I've always been more intrigued by the quiet ones. It's like I want to figure out what they're thinking because they're not out there with it. I want to find out what's going on inside their head.

same here....


.....usually if i know they have something to say but can't squeeze it in ..in a gropup setting.....on second thought maybe its just an attempt to get myself to talk off of that stimulus....its funny how that works

[kensi]

I think from now on that'll be a good tip off for ENFps.

If I ever find myself saying "Hey stop trying to get inside my head!"

As I see it, I think that ENFps would be the most likely candidate to get inside an ENTjs head.......just like ESFjs to get inside an ENFp head...

Anybody any opinions on this one....



You don't suppose that you are a particular subtype of ENTj do you?

[Reuben]

A Te ISTp is simply an ISTp who isn't confident in himself and needs extra attention. Same goes with an Fi ENFp. There is no such thing in this fucked up world as a sub-type.

And typeless wonder, if you're still hanging around you. Fuck you. Thanks for fucking around with my mind. I now know who I am.

For the rest of you doubters, ask Topaz.

[kensi]

I totally feel this way. I much prefer one on one. Am I delta now?

I think it's only usefull for distinguishing between the 8 F Types....because after all we are talking about a selective entity in F from the point of view of a conversation.

T is linear...you would have to use a different rule cause F is not embedded in the ego for T Types....thus not directly accessible for continuous assessment as is the case for an F Type. This method for F types is not entirely clear altogether though...so to add it to T Types---->Multiplying two sets of ambiguity does not lead to further clarity

[Reuben]

I think if you really want to grow as a person, it is important to leave this forum. Look at Topaz and IcEpIck. Where are they now? Probably gone off to a higher place.

There is a great sense of neediness here. Like. Hey! Come validate me!

As if.

[xyz]

I think if you really want to grow as a person, it is important to leave this forum. Look at Topaz and IcEpIck. Where are they now? Probably gone off to a higher place.

There is a great sense of neediness here. Like. Hey! Come validate me!

As if.

oooooooooooo... very true. Even though im doing it now!

[Reuben]

Exactly. That's why my father said ex-communicate with those socionics people. And I'm like. What the pharque? And I was blasé.

What am I after all, but dust? I do not want to evolve. I'll let God do His job.

[JuJu]

I think if you really want to grow as a person, it is important to leave this forum. Look at Topaz and IcEpIck. Where are they now? Probably gone off to a higher place.

There is a great sense of neediness here. Like. Hey! Come validate me!

As if.

Remember that everyone's experience and reason for being here is not the same as yours. Some ppl are here for validation; other ppl are here b/c they actually want to learn about Socionics.

As to your earlier post, off-hand I can think of many reasons why someone would develop a subtype other than 'neediness.'

You suggest that there's a higher place... Sorry to say, but there's not a higher place for English-speakers who actually want to learn about Socionics... This is it. Peace

[Reuben]

You're right.

Btw I am, after all, not your dual.

And I was wrong, but it's always too late to apologize and so I won't.

[jessica129]

I think if you really want to grow as a person, it is important to leave this forum. Look at Topaz and IcEpIck. Where are they now? Probably gone off to a higher place.

There is a great sense of neediness here. Like. Hey! Come validate me!

As if.

This is true.

[xyz]

Being here too long fucks with your brain.


Like cocaine.

[Jarno]

Dear everyone reading this,

I know that this subject has been done before, but I'm curious about how it applies in this specific instance: how do IEE and SLI subtypes undermine (or improve) IEE-SLI duality?

For example, is the sensory SLI subtype better-suited to the ethical IEE subtype?

Accepting subtype SLI-s are better suited for accepting subtype IEE-i
Producing subtype SLI-l are better suited for producing subtype IEE-e

[Sirena]

Accepting subtype SLI-s are better suited for accepting subtype IEE-i
Producing subtype SLI-l are better suited for producing subtype IEE-e

Can you explain why you think so? Thanks.