ISTp-ENFp duality complementary subtypes (IEE-SLI)

[tiny_dancer]

I know one of each subtype - my ex was the Te. Aaaaaand... yeah, hit his polr and he turns into a brick wall. This is why his 'relationship' with the ENFj has lasted a grand total oooooofff.. 4 months. lol

[meatburger]

Meh!!

I hold a similar opinion about subtypes as Slackermom. Im not even sure what subtype i am with any certianty. There does seem to be something to the theory though as i think ive noticed both subtypes. Actually i would have guessed Jessica is a logcial type and Loki as a Sensory one if anything.

My old friend is a logical subtype. Hes a turbulent dude with a firery temper. When im with him hes quite unpredictable, deciding what he wants to do on a whim. Hes very handy though, knows how to fix shit. He knows little tricks like how to get the car started in the cold etc. I may actually like their emotional turbulence. He rang me the other day and after about 2 minutes was swearing his head off about how his mate only uses him for dope and hes always getting the dope for him. They are almost like a project to me.

Other ISTp i know is the sensory type. He just exudes calmness. His emotions are more stable. Hes also more socially aware and just plain better with people. Him and i never really argue, he will say "BULLSHIT" to me sometimes and we get into a little funny arguement but nothing really. I have the feeling though that if we did get into a spat, that would be it. It could be something to-do with trust levels though. As he has his own group of friends i am on the prerifery. The first ISTp ive been friends with for years and im more ingrained in his life whether we like it or not.

So in all honestly i have no idea which one is best for me. Logical subtypes are harder to deal with, they are a journey with their good points and bad points very polarised. I think i may like that more as im more acutely aware they need my help.

[hellothere]

Neither subtype stands out as more me. Both have stuff that rings true and both have stuff that I doubt applies.
The Sensory subtype sounds like more fun ... but overall, the differences between the two seem kinda subtle. What use are the subtypes, anyway?

my opinion is that the subtypes describe quantitative/continuous differences within the same type - so you could be anywhere on the line between the Si subtype and the Te subtype - including right in the middle, in which case you wouldn't be able to choose between the descriptions

[meatburger]

my opinion is that the subtypes describe quantitative/continuous differences within the same type - so you could be anywhere on the line between the Si subtype and the Te subtype - including right in the middle, in which case you wouldn't be able to choose between the descriptions

Yeah thats me! I just read them a second ago and i am smack bang in the middle of both of them.

[xyz]

Yeah thats me! I just read them a second ago and i am smack bang in the middle of both of them.

dont worry man, we'd have fun.

<gets up at a subtypes anonymous meeting>
Hi I'm Loki, and I'm a Si.

[meatburger]

dont worry man, we'd have fun.

<gets up at a subtypes anonymous meeting>
Hi I'm Loki, and I'm a Si.

Yeah. All ISTps are fun and unique snowflakes . You look fun just from your picture.

Hi I'm Tim and im an alcoholic

[jewels]

It's interesting we have two marriages here that also go along with the (Ne ENFP + Si ISTP , and ENFP Fi + ISTP Te)..

BUT I'm confused. I thought that the Fi type would need a type more sensitive to their feelings, and it appears that Si ISTP is slightly more socially concerned than the Te, so wouldn't the ISTP Si match better with the ENFP Fi?

Or is this one of those things where "what you actually need is the opposite of what you think you need"?

[xyz]

It's interesting we have two marriages here that also go along with the (Ne ENFP + Si ISTP , and ENFP Fi + ISTP Te)..

BUT I'm confused. I thought that the Fi type would need a type more sensitive to their feelings, and it appears that Si ISTP is slightly more socially concerned than the Te, so wouldn't the ISTP Si match better with the ENFP Fi?

Or is this one of those things where "what you actually need is the opposite of what you think you need"?

I need an ENFp

[JuJu]

I agree with you, jewels--before this thread, I thought that the ethical ENFP would've preferred the Si-ISTp... Like you said, those two subtypes are more outgoing, and thus (I thought) would find each other more useful.

It's interesting we have two marriages here that also go along with the (Ne ENFP + Si ISTP , and ENFP Fi + ISTP Te)..

BUT I'm confused. I thought that the Fi type would need a type more sensitive to their feelings, and it appears that Si ISTP is slightly more socially concerned than the Te, so wouldn't the ISTP Si match better with the ENFP Fi?

Or is this one of those things where "what you actually need is the opposite of what you think you need"?

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I need an ENFp

Could be doing with one of them myself

[Cuddly McFluffles]

If I had to choose, I think I'd want a Si subtype. My understanding of s is that they're stuffy and traditional. Ugh. Besides, I love Si and exhibit certain Si characteristics. Let him go through the work of making things comfy, and I'll enjoy it immensely.

[schrödinger's cat]

Stuffy?! On behalf of my brother, I'm incensed. OK, not really. But do you mean this literally - that you think all types with strong Te in their ego block are stuffy and traditional?

Heh. Strong Te. Sometimes I crack myself up. You'll have to know German to see the joke though.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

Stuffy?! On behalf of my brother, I'm incensed. OK, not really. But do you mean this literally - that you think all types with strong Te in their ego block are stuffy and traditional?

Heh. Strong Te. Sometimes I crack myself up. You'll have to know German to see the joke though.

It's something someone (elsewhere) mentioned. If I am off-base, please enlighten me. I'd love to know.

Yes, I'm serious.

[jessica129]

Even my dual doesn't like me.

[schrödinger's cat]

I can't talk for all ISTps, just for my brother. He can appear stuffy as long as you don't know him and meet him only briefly, at work or in such a setting. It might depend on where he is and who he's with, because if he doesn't feel at ease, or if he's bored, he'll just clam up. If he's generally unhappy, he'll also withdraw into himself. But stuffy? Heck, no.

So it'll have to be: all Te persons bar one are stuffy and traditionalist.

EDITED TO ADD: ...bar two. Sorry, Jessica.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I can't talk for all ISTps, just for my brother. He can appear stuffy as long as you don't know him and meet him only briefly, at work or in such a setting. It might depend on where he is and who he's with, because if he doesn't feel at ease, or if he's bored, he'll just clam up. If he's generally unhappy, he'll also withdraw into himself. But stuffy? Heck, no.

So it'll have to be: all Te persons bar one are stuffy and traditionalist.

Hm. If s like gathering facts, and s see possibilities, that could be good, too. Perhaps s could implement/map out 's ideas? could also contribute those fun, useless facts.

[jessica129]

This subtype description is sounding a little emo-infpish. But it's accurate.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

Emo-infp? What do you mean?

[schrödinger's cat]

Hm. If s like gathering facts, and s see possibilities, that could be good, too. Perhaps s could implement/map out 's ideas? could also contribute those fun, useless facts.

I think ISTps are too lazy to implement other people's ideas*. I've got to do the legwork, sadly enough. But the ones I know are assets in brainstorming sessions, mainly because they help me cut through the tangle of (conflicting) possibilities.

*At first I thought I'd rephrase that because I don't want to sound offensive, but my husband is reading this as I write, and there was a decidedly self-satisfied laugh, so I'll leave it in.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I think ISTps are too lazy to implement other people's ideas*. I've got to do the legwork, sadly enough. But the ones I know are assets in brainstorming sessions, mainly because they help me cut through the tangle of (conflicting) possibilities.

*At first I thought I'd rephrase that because I don't want to sound offensive, but my husband is reading this as I write, and there was a decidedly self-satisfied laugh, so I'll leave it in.

Maybe I oughta find a different type to date. I'm unmotivated as it is. However, the second point would be good.

[schrödinger's cat]

Perhaps the "emo" is because of the bits about clamming up and withdrawing into oneself? With my brother, it's more a case of:

Send out probe. Intelligent life y/n?
Intelligent life = negative. Surroundings offer no data that is relevant to our projects.
Abort mission. Go on standby mode in order to save energy.
Leave.

Having said that, I'll add that the stereotype about "cold, emotionless" ISTps is a total myth. Perhaps there's a tendency to be rather choosy about what they reveal to whom.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

Perhaps the "emo" is because of the bits about clamming up and withdrawing into oneself? With my brother, it's more a case of:

Send out probe. Intelligent life y/n?
Intelligent life = negative. Surroundings offer no data that is relevant to our projects.
Abort mission. Go on standby mode in order to save energy.
Leave.

Having said that, I'll add that the stereotype about "cold, emotionless" ISTps is a total myth. Perhaps there's a tendency to be rather choosy about what they reveal to whom.

Sounds familiar. *nods* I could see that.

[meatburger]

Even my dual doesn't like me.

Lol we like you. You get my attention a lot because of your sad little soul lol. Your a handful Jessica but ENFp's dont mind that.

[Slacker]

Well, I can only speak for myself, but I'm quite fond of the Te-subtype ISTps.

[jessica129]

Lol we like you. You get my attention a lot because of your sad little soul lol. Your a handful Jessica but ENFp's dont mind that.

lol, well thanks.

[meatburger]

lol, well thanks.

Im a charmer. LOL

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Im a charmer. LOL

I'm learning by reading!

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I'm learning by reading!

Learning what?

[meatburger]

Learning what?

How "special" IEE's are

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Learning what?

How "special" IEE's are

Each and every one of you is "unique" haha

And how to be a charmer just like our meat in a burger!

[Cuddly McFluffles]

How "special" IEE's are

We need a bigger grin.

[xyz]

Perhaps the "emo" is because of the bits about clamming up and withdrawing into oneself? With my brother, it's more a case of:

Send out probe. Intelligent life y/n?
Intelligent life = negative. Surroundings offer no data that is relevant to our projects.
Abort mission. Go on standby mode in order to save energy.
Leave.

Having said that, I'll add that the stereotype about "cold, emotionless" ISTps is a total myth. Perhaps there's a tendency to be rather choosy about what they reveal to whom.

step by step

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Our weak Fe means we need to feel relaxed and trust the person before we'll open up

[Cuddly McFluffles]

Our weak Fe means we need to feel relaxed and trust the person before we'll open up

That's related to Fe? *has a strong suspicion what a friend of hers is now*

[xyz]

Our weak Fe means we need to feel relaxed and trust the person before we'll open up

That's related to Fe? *has a strong suspicion what a friend of hers is now*

I dont know about Fe, or if it's just us who feel that way, but it's true. If you're not relaxed, fuggetaboutit.

[Topaz]

I think that compatibility among duals has more to do with wether they have things in common or not. If you both like cooking or both want to get (or stay) in shape, if you both like similar types of movies or music or like to hang out in certain places etc. youre going to have more to talk about than two people who are duals but have nothing in common. It also helps to have mutual friends.

[schrödinger's cat]

Totally. Our kids owe their existence to Terry Pratchett, Red Dwarf, Dad's Army, Herbert Rosendorfer and the 1998 World Cup.

With ENFps and ISTps - I'm thinking that it might also be important where and how you interact, because we both need to feel relaxed, at ease, and able to open up and goof around. What do you think? If an ENFp and an ISTp meet only in situations that make one of them go into emergency shutdown mode, there's one more potential love story gone down the drain.

EDITED TO ADD: ...duh. Everyone's like that to some extent. But my hunch is that stressed out ISTps and ENFps can clam up very thoroughly.

[tereg]

But my hunch is that stressed out ISTps and ENFps can clam up very thoroughly.

Yes.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I second Tereg.

[mikemex]

I'm ENFp-Ne, and my husband is ISTp-Si. My brother is ISTp-Te. We fit the subtype descriptions. If subtypes don't exist, this could be coincidental.

My brother and I didn't get along when we were teenagers. It took a while before that changed. Now we're fine. I'm sometimes still finding it difficult, though. My husband is calmer, and he tries to put people at ease and to be considerate and polite, so I find it easier to get along with him.

This ìs pretty much my experience with SLIs. Te subtypes are quite annoying at times.