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    Default Oscar Wilde

    Has this been covered? Two strongest functions, IMO:
    - - aesthetic philosophy
    - - his humor reminds me of that of INTps/ISTps I know

    ISTp?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde

    "Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately, in England at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever."

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    "A man can be happy with any woman as long as he does not love her."

    "Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months."

    "I always like to know everything about my new friends, and nothing about my old ones."


    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
    -- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet

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    Mmm, dunno. He focuses on textural, sensory things in his books. In Dorian Gray there are several pages of narrative that focus on nothing but the patterns of fabrics and the shape of sculptures and carvings, and the smells of flowers and fruit. I don't know if an INTp would be into that. I'm not satisfied with any of this, though, and he could be any type as far as I can see.

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    That was the chapter of Dorian Gray I couldn't get past for three months. And, with Wilde, you can't even skim the good parts and ignore the rambling bits. Part of the issue I think is that Wilde wrote primarily for the stage, and so he basically was acting as set designer/costume director, but there is a definite attention to detail (not to mention a PATIENCE for that sort of thing) that I don't think anyone who isn't in a Si quadra could accomplish without trying very, very hard.
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
    -- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet

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    A writer who I think is INTp is Lovecraft. I bring this up because it touches on what I said about and Wilde. While Wilde seems to enjoy Si and devotes a lot of his books to it, Lovecraft's stories are all heavily laced with numinous possibilities of terrible Si-related things happening to humans. Bizarre, incomprehensible things that result in the human body and mind being warped and twisted in sinister ways. Wilde, on the other hand, in Dorian Gray, seems to revel in sensory pleasures, and shun things that seem Ni-related, like people losing their souls and becoming evil... idk...

    I think ISTp is possible here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by he died with a felafel
    adn those photos don't tell me anything at all...and they're bad quality
    Uh... if they're that bad you can Google him yourself and find the hundreds of other pics of the man.

    And Wilde did not have a PoLR.
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
    -- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet

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    ENTp. His writing (as in The Importance of Being Earnest) is best known for witty one-liners, punning extensively. He makes fun of the pretension of "cultured" Europeans, and all kinds of social rules (Fi). Enjoyed socializing, but eventually became ostracized. Definitely had weak and nonvalued Fi.

    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    He focuses on textural, sensory things in his books.
    Good point. TIBE has lots of running motifs with props, including one where the characters are eating cucumber sandwiches. In real life he also (ahem) indulged the senses quite a bit, known for his hedonism. Wilde's personality is clearly reflected in Algernon, who is also ENTp.

    In fact I think TIBE features an entire Alpha quadra:

    Algernon: ENTp
    Jack: INTj
    Cecily: ISFp
    Gwendolen: ESFj
    ...

    INTj/ENTp banter is well-represented in the play. Cecily somewhat resembles Alice from Alice in Wonderland, another fictional ISFp.

    "I always like to know everything about my new friends, and nothing about my old ones."

    Yeah, ENTp. Almost every one of his quotes is Fe >>>> Fi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by he died with a felafel
    Quote Originally Posted by Baby

    And Wilde did not have a PoLR.
    sweet baby,

    if you know, you bother asking?
    That rules out two types out of sixteen. That's the extent of my "knowledge." Why not ask to find out which of the remain fourteen types he could be? Christ, chill out.

    I would concede this:
    Quote Originally Posted by he died with a felafel
    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush
    ENTp. His writing (as in The Importance of Being Earnest) is best known for witty one-liners, punning extensively. He makes fun of the pretension of "cultured" Europeans, and all kinds of social rules (Fi). Enjoyed socializing, but eventually became ostracized. Definitely had weak and nonvalued Fi.
    social rules are Fe, methinks, and so is the notion of "cultured"..
    But the breakdown of TIoBE thehotelambush gave is actually pretty cogent:

    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush
    In fact I think TIBE features an entire Alpha quadra:

    Algernon: ENTp
    Jack: INTj
    Cecily: ISFp
    Gwendolen: ESFj
    ...

    INTj/ENTp banter is well-represented in the play. Cecily somewhat resembles Alice from Alice in Wonderland, another fictional ISFp.

    "I always like to know everything about my new friends, and nothing about my old ones."

    Yeah, ENTp. Almost every one of his quotes is Fe >>>> Fi.
    I don't think, though, that Wilde makes fun of all that much. He makes fun of the vapidity of the aristocracy (literal stupidity - the education system, as Lady Gwendolen points out has no effect whatsoever in remedying it). In fact, he outright avoids any obvious "moralizing" (Fi). There is an undercurrent of morality in his texts (Dorian Gray's painting doesn't age for no reason), but what's at the forefront is Devil's Advocacy. He DOES criticize institutions like marriage - which may indicate he was not Delta, at any rate.
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
    -- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet

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    Quote Originally Posted by he died with a felafel
    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush
    ENTp. His writing (as in The Importance of Being Earnest) is best known for witty one-liners, punning extensively. He makes fun of the pretension of "cultured" Europeans, and all kinds of social rules (Fi). Enjoyed socializing, but eventually became ostracized. Definitely had weak and nonvalued Fi.
    social rules are Fe, methinks, and so is the notion of "cultured"..
    Not the kind Wilde was making fun of. Perhaps what I described is more closely related to Se+Fi. He was all about indulging his own senses, even when it went against the values of the time. As for Fe, he loved making an impression on people, and as for Si, his part in the Aesthetic movement is a point for that.

    He rejects the Christian ideal of self-sacrifice in favor of joy. "The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it."
    There is very little other-worldliness in Wilde's writing on the whole.
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    A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it.

    He knew the precise psychological moment when to say nothing.

    It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances. The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible.

    I always like to know everything about my new friends, and nothing about my old ones.

    Punctuality is the thief of time.

    Nothing makes one so vain as being told that one is a sinner.

    A man can be happy with any woman, as long as he does not love her.

    The only way to behave to a woman is to make love to her if she is pretty and to someone else if she is plain.

    The truth is rarely pure and never simple. Modern life would be very tedious if it were either, and modern literature a complete impossibility!

    If I am occasionally a little over-dressed, I make up for it by being immensely over-educated.

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    Oh shit. I always confuse Gwendolen with her mother.
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
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    Narcissistic gay male.

    IEI e4. What else? =p

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    Oscar Wilde is a god.

    I don't think he was IEI, although he sort of looks like it. I would prefer for him not to be an IEI. I can't think of an alternative type for him though. And I suppose Earnest must have been written by a beta quadra person. It's brilliant. Side note, I just watched the old movie version of Earnest and Jane Greenwood is hot as fuck.
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    He is artistic, expressive, arrogant, has a long nose, scattered look...

    ENFj.

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    oh, I used to think OW is EII-Ne , but multiple signs of DA cognition and an obsession with seeming contradictions and facades vs. essence made me accept EIE is possible lately

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    Fe-EIE > Fe-IEI
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    Started reading The Portrait of Dorian Gray yesterday...I'd type him EIE 3w4

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    ILI?
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Fe valuing. I assumed beta NF but ILE is a thought provoking suggestion.

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    He seems EIE, through and through.

    Which forum member would play him in a play?

    Who looks like him, speaks like him, and acts like him?

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    I really liked The Picture of Dorian Gray, nice choice @aster. Any other suggestions apart from Beta NF? I don't have a case against it, but it seems rather odd any established author ever seems to get pegged as that.
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    Delta NF.

    Could have been 4w3 Sx/So IEE-Fi.

    Dorian Gray is Sx 3w4 SEE-Fi possibly.
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    I no longer think he was ILE, ftr. I was thinking SEI but Beta NF could maybe work.
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    Oscar Wilde - INTP - Balzac

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    Quote Originally Posted by Animal View Post
    That was the chapter of Dorian Gray I couldn't get past for three months. And, with Wilde, you can't even skim the good parts and ignore the rambling bits. Part of the issue I think is that Wilde wrote primarily for the stage, and so he basically was acting as set designer/costume director, but there is a definite attention to detail (not to mention a PATIENCE for that sort of thing) that I don't think anyone who isn't in a Si quadra could accomplish without trying very, very hard.
    Wilde wrote in an age where writing was one of the primary methods of communication. His attention to detail cannot therefore be attributed to a unique personal quality. Also, Aestheticism is Beta as fuck.
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