View Poll Results: what type is John Nash?

Voters
1. You may not vote on this poll
  • ILE (ENTp)

    0 0%
  • SEI (ISFp)

    0 0%
  • ESE (ESFj)

    0 0%
  • LII (INTj)

    1 100.00%
  • SLE (ESTp)

    0 0%
  • IEI (INFp)

    0 0%
  • EIE (ENFj)

    0 0%
  • LSI (ISTj)

    0 0%
  • SEE (ESFp)

    0 0%
  • ILI (INTp)

    0 0%
  • LIE (ENTj)

    0 0%
  • ESI (ISFj)

    0 0%
  • IEE (ENFp)

    0 0%
  • SLI (ISTp)

    0 0%
  • LSE (ESTj)

    0 0%
  • EII (INFj)

    0 0%
Multiple Choice Poll.
Results 1 to 39 of 39

Thread: John F. Nash, mathematician

  1. #1
    Dioklecian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    UK
    TIM
    ILI
    Posts
    4,304
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default John F. Nash, mathematician

    John Forbes Nash, Jr. - an American mathematician whose works in game theory, differential geometry, and partial differential equations have provided insight into the forces that govern chance and events inside complex systems in daily life. His theories are used in market economics, computing, evolutionary biology, artificial intelligence, accounting, politics and military theory. Serving as a Senior Research Mathematician at Princeton University during the latter part of his life, he shared the 1994 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences with game theorists Reinhard Selten and John Harsanyi.




















    Last edited by silke; 10-02-2017 at 08:10 AM. Reason: updated links
    Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.

  2. #2
    Don't forget the the thehotelambush's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    6,612
    Mentioned
    156 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Gamma NT, could go either way.

  3. #3
    Don't forget the the thehotelambush's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    6,612
    Mentioned
    156 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Gamma NT, could go either way.

  4. #4
    Dioklecian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    UK
    TIM
    ILI
    Posts
    4,304
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    He seems ENTJ to me.
    Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.

  5. #5
    Expat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    United Kingdom
    Posts
    10,853
    Mentioned
    27 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dioklecian
    He seems ENTJ to me.
    Would you mind telling me how you see ENTj for Enver Hoxha, John Nash, Mao, Salvador Dali, Michael Moore? Among others? What do you see in common for these people?
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

  6. #6

    Default John F. Nash, mathematician

    What is the type of mathematician John F. Nash Jr.? It seems to be that either LII or ILI is obvious, but I have heard some other odd typings, such as EII. This topic has undoubtedly been brought up before, yet no reasonable conclusion seems to have been reached in any of these said cases. So what type is he? Do you think his type in real life correlates accurately to the type portrayed in the movie A Beautiful Mind?





    Last edited by Iconoclast IX; 01-03-2008 at 12:05 AM.
    Classical socionics: (), ILI-Ni
    Dual-type theory: INTp-ENTp

    5w6 sp/sx
    MBTI: INTJ

  7. #7
    The Troll Slayer Hitta's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    In your mom's uterus
    Posts
    4,008
    Mentioned
    152 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    if John Nash is anything like he was in the movie, LII/ILE
    Model X Will Save Us!

    *randomwarelinkremoved

    jessica129:scrotums r hot

    :" hitting cap makes me envision cervix smashing"

  8. #8
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    TIM
    TiNe
    Posts
    7,967
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    if John Nash is anything like he was in the movie, LII/ILE
    Here's his bio:

    http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/e...h-autobio.html

    Lots of Ne followed by Ti. Yes, I think he's ILE.

    As for his disease, given its political undertones (his words, according to a NOVA interview), I would suspect -Te was breaking in on his ego.... (or I would hope such? It would be interesting to see a socionics-based profile of his life and work.)

    I later spent times of the order of five to eight months in hospitals in New Jersey, always on an involuntary basis and always attempting a legal argument for release.
    Yeah that sounds like NiTe id.

  9. #9

    Default

    Why ILE?

    He was/is exceedingly reclusive and schizoid. Would such be typical of an ILE?
    Classical socionics: (), ILI-Ni
    Dual-type theory: INTp-ENTp

    5w6 sp/sx
    MBTI: INTJ

  10. #10
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    TIM
    TiNe
    Posts
    7,967
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    @imfd:
    Yes, but you've got to remember: he didn't like what he had gone through. Which means, he would have used the id to approach it. (nevermind that it was a long span of time, which ENTps somewhat dislike having forced on them because they want to use it to fulfill their potential instead.) Although the span of time he spent in there was limited, when he was in there it was indefinite, conditional upon his improvement. Faced with this threatening span of time, he needed new relationships -- new contacts -- by which to bring that span to its fulfillment.

  11. #11
    strrrng's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    TIM
    Ni-IEI 4w3 sx/so
    Posts
    8,781
    Mentioned
    40 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    if his personality is anything like it was portrayed in the movie, he is not extroverted in the least bit. those pics strike me as ILI, but a few had a subtle LII feel to them. If I'm not mistaken, didn't he contribute to some field of economics with his mathematical theories? If so, this could suggest NiTe.

  12. #12
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    TIM
    TiNe
    Posts
    7,967
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    if his personality is anything like it was portrayed in the movie, he is not extroverted in the least bit. those pics strike me as ILI, but a few had a subtle LII feel to them. If I'm not mistaken, didn't he contribute to some field of economics with his mathematical theories? If so, this could suggest NiTe.
    Come back when you've read the articles we're working to translate.

  13. #13
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    TIM
    TiNe
    Posts
    7,967
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by imfd
    btw, how he assesses "value" strikes me as gamma NT.
    That's because you're too cynical. He has "hope": that's -Fe.

  14. #14

    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    1,969
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    if John Nash is anything like he was in the movie, LII/ILE
    The character in the movie seemed clearly ILI to me. I understand that if you analyze it via +/- or other experimental typing theories, you could come up with something very different. But with standard typing methods, his emphasis on fluid and changing imagination seems clearly .

  15. #15

    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    4,833
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    The photos of Nash suggest ILI as the most likely type. His autobiography in the link given by tcaudilllg gives an ILI impression rather than something written by an ILE. The video from one of his lectures also gives a strong ILI > ILE impression -- his flatness with a total lack of emotional expressions, his rather monotone voice, his use of the expression "The basic idea is ...".

    What article are you talking about, tcaudilllg? What is it that you are trying to translate?

  16. #16
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    TIM
    TiNe
    Posts
    7,967
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    My primary rationale is that I can understand what the hell he's writing. Understanding ILI prose tends to be difficult for me. He seems alpha for that reason.

    @Phaedrus:
    I'm using the autobiography of course.

    At least one of those photos reminded me of Augusta; most of them reminded me of Dennis Kucinich.

  17. #17
    Let's fly now Gilly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    TIM
    3w4 sx/so
    Posts
    24,757
    Mentioned
    91 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaddy and tcaud
    blargh rabble my type is the smartestest grumble mumble
    uh huh
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

  18. #18
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    TIM
    TiNe
    Posts
    7,967
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    uh huh
    Dude, you make a -terrible- SLE.

  19. #19
    Let's fly now Gilly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    TIM
    3w4 sx/so
    Posts
    24,757
    Mentioned
    91 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Dude, you make a -terrible- SLE.
    Glad you think so.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

  20. #20
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    TIM
    TiNe
    Posts
    7,967
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    (what the hell? You are deluded if you think yourself my supervisor. You've got nothing on me at all, bud.)

  21. #21
    Let's fly now Gilly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    TIM
    3w4 sx/so
    Posts
    24,757
    Mentioned
    91 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Last edited by Gilly; 01-03-2008 at 08:46 PM.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

  22. #22
    strrrng's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    TIM
    Ni-IEI 4w3 sx/so
    Posts
    8,781
    Mentioned
    40 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    yeah ,tcaullidg, what articles are you talking about?

  23. #23
    Don't forget the the thehotelambush's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    6,612
    Mentioned
    156 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Nobel prize speeches are excellent typing evidence, btw.

    From the very first paragraph:

    (And, also, one suspects, psychologically, that the earliest memories have become "memories of memories" and are comparable to traditional folk tales passed on by tellers and listeners from generation to generation.) But facts are available when direct memory fails for many circumstances.
    What information elements are being used here?

  24. #24
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    TIM
    TiNe
    Posts
    7,967
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Nobel prize speeches are excellent typing evidence, btw.

    From the very first paragraph:



    What information elements are being used here?
    Ni and Te, but a lot of Ne and Ti, too. He's analyzing effect the two pairs have on each other somehow.
    Last edited by tcaudilllg; 01-05-2008 at 11:31 PM.

  25. #25
    Don't forget the the thehotelambush's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    6,612
    Mentioned
    156 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Yes! Thank you.

  26. #26
    Board philosopher or bored philosopher? jason_m's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    884
    Mentioned
    19 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default John Nash





    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash

    I don't know if you've read the book "A Beautiful Mind", but it is not quite like the movie. Basically, John Nash is a genius -a highly arrogant and eccentric one. I know that he's definitely an NT (researcher) of some sort, but I'm not sure which one exactly. Here are my arguments for each:

    INTj: For: Highly logical. He wished to be like a group of space aliens he read about in science fiction that were 100% rational.

    Against: His arrogant behaviour seems to go against POLR Se.

    INTp or ENTp: For: He seems to be POLR Fi or Fe. His thought process was more intuitive and nonlinear than logical and step-by-step.

    Against: Again, his desire to be completely rational points away from anything but being a dominant logical type.

    ENTj: I'm not going to make any arguments for this type, as I think it's unlikely; John Nash is hardly a practical person.

    What type do you think he is?

    Jason

  27. #27

    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    4,833
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jason_m View Post
    INTj: For: Highly logical. He wished to be like a group of space aliens he read about in science fiction that were 100% rational.
    That is an argument against INTj and for INTp.

    Quote Originally Posted by jason_m
    Against: His arrogant behaviour seems to go against POLR Se.
    Maybe. But every NT is somewhat arrogant in the eyes of other types.

    Quote Originally Posted by jason_m
    His thought process was more intuitive and nonlinear than logical and step-by-step.
    That's an argument against ENTj anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by jason_m
    Again, his desire to be completely rational points away from anything but being a dominant logical type.
    No, definitely not. It is a rather strong argument for INTp.

    It is obvious that people are mislead by the socionic INTj descriptions and the descriptions of the function. is not about wanting to be rational and logical above everything else, even though the descriptions of might cause people to get that incorrect idea. Jung has described (Ti) much better than any socionist has ever done as far as I know. The bad descriptions continue to be a major cause of mistypings, that's a fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by jason_m
    ENTj: I'm not going to make any arguments for this type, as I think it's unlikely; John Nash is hardly a practical person.
    Correct. ENTj is out of the question for Nash.

    Quote Originally Posted by jason_m
    What type do you think he is?
    His most likely type based on what I have seen and read about him is INTp. He is clearly not an ENTj, and he does not look like an INTj. He does not look particularly like an ENTp either, so INTp seems to be the best fit.

  28. #28

    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    4,833
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    I always thought ENTp from Ti valuing, static positivist for sure.
    How do you determine that?

    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes
    I have a similar expression. I even wanted to *be* a detached/logical alien when I was younger.
    But that is not a good argument for INTj, because it is not very common that INTjs have that as a strong tendency.

  29. #29
    Let's fly now Gilly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    TIM
    3w4 sx/so
    Posts
    24,757
    Mentioned
    91 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    As portrayed in the movie, ILI, especially given the way he interacts with what'shername.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

  30. #30
    Let's fly now Gilly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    TIM
    3w4 sx/so
    Posts
    24,757
    Mentioned
    91 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    By VI I might actually lean rational>irrational, but it's nothing really solid.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

  31. #31
    Tigerfadder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Posts
    923
    Mentioned
    24 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default John nash

    https://www.google.se/search?q=john+...&bih=628&dpr=2

    from the movie i was guessing LSI but from VI SLI. What do you recon?

  32. #32

  33. #33

    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    5,048
    Mentioned
    381 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    mb ENTJ
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

  34. #34
    Fembot Olimpia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    TIM
    IEI-1Ni
    Posts
    6,514
    Mentioned
    536 Post(s)
    Tagged
    5 Thread(s)

    Default

    ILI-Te
    6w5 So/Sp
    4w5-9w1-5w6 So/Sx

    My typing blog [x]
    My theory blog [x]
    My tumblr blog [x]
    My film blog [x]
    Discord [x]


  35. #35
    Adam Strange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Midwest, USA
    TIM
    ENTJ-1Te 8w7 sx/so
    Posts
    2,521
    Mentioned
    374 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    I'd also say he VI's SLI.

  36. #36
    Don't forget the the thehotelambush's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    6,612
    Mentioned
    156 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Gamma NT, could go either way.
    I don't even remember posting in this thread.

    I took a look more recently and I thought probably ILI. He was known for being extremely competitive and status-conscious. He would pick out the hardest problems just to prove how smart he was.

  37. #37

    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    5,048
    Mentioned
    381 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I took a look more recently and I thought probably ILI. He was known for being extremely competitive and status-conscious. He would pick out the hardest problems just to prove how smart he was.
    the described is more ENTJ, than INTP's trait
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

  38. #38
    Fembot Olimpia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    TIM
    IEI-1Ni
    Posts
    6,514
    Mentioned
    536 Post(s)
    Tagged
    5 Thread(s)

    Default

    Didn't someone just recently create a new thread about him?

    I'll just repeat myself then.

    ILI-Te. 6w5 So/Sp.
    4w5-9w1-5w6 So/Sx

    My typing blog [x]
    My theory blog [x]
    My tumblr blog [x]
    My film blog [x]
    Discord [x]


  39. #39
    pinoline's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    TIM
    ESI
    Posts
    660
    Mentioned
    42 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    https://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_tam...ays_of_knowing
    when I saw this I thought of Sol. what's his type?

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •