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    I know ISFjs have a reputation for being neat freaks, but the ESTjs I've known have been much fussier about neatness than the ISFjs... the ISFjs are actually more likely to clean everything at once than to stay of top of cleaning and never allow any messes. I realize that this can be a largely individual thing, but I do think certain types are more prone to being neat freaks than others. ESTj makes sense for being one of the most, if not the most, "neat freak" type.

    What types are the neat freaks you know?

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    I know ISFjs have a reputation for being neat freaks, but the ESTjs I've known have been much fussier about neatness than the ISFjs... the ISFjs are actually more likely to clean everything at once than to stay of top of cleaning and never allow any messes. I realize that this can be a largely individual thing, but I do think certain types are more prone to being neat freaks than others. ESTj makes sense for being one of the most, if not the most, "neat freak" type.

    What types are the neat freaks you know?

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    SJs in general, ISFp-Si, and INFj-Fi.

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    Most ISFjs I know are not really neat freaks, it's ESFjs that are
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    Most ISFjs I know are not really neat freaks, it's ESFjs that are
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    My Mum is a neat freak. Lol. I find it hilarious. Mum ='I'm going to make a rota so that everyone shares in doing the housework every weekend'.... Me ='Sure, sure...' *Goes back to bedroom and logs onto computer*.
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    My Mum is a neat freak. Lol. I find it hilarious. Mum ='I'm going to make a rota so that everyone shares in doing the housework every weekend'.... Me ='Sure, sure...' *Goes back to bedroom and logs onto computer*.
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    My ESTj father is without a doubt the biggest neat freak I've come across.
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    My ESTj father is without a doubt the biggest neat freak I've come across.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Most ISFjs I know are not really neat freaks, it's ESFjs that are
    you should take a look at my daughter's room...cleaning it or organizing anything is her most feared task

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Most ISFjs I know are not really neat freaks, it's ESFjs that are
    you should take a look at my daughter's room...cleaning it or organizing anything is her most feared task

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    i'm not a neat freak but i can't stand clutter. my estj mom is in fact a neat freak, as is my intj brother.

    NOT: infp's, estp's, enfp's, and esfp's.

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    i'm not a neat freak but i can't stand clutter. my estj mom is in fact a neat freak, as is my intj brother.

    NOT: infp's, estp's, enfp's, and esfp's.

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    I'm not a neat freak, I'm just prefer for things to be clean.
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    I'm not a neat freak, I'm just prefer for things to be clean.
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    The Si-creatives definitely win this one. EJ temperment gives desire to create order, plus concern for physical harmony, cleanliness, and practicality; thus, creating and maintaining order in matters of physical harmony, cleanliness, and practicality. Sounds like a neat-freak to me.

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    The Si-creatives definitely win this one. EJ temperment gives desire to create order, plus concern for physical harmony, cleanliness, and practicality; thus, creating and maintaining order in matters of physical harmony, cleanliness, and practicality. Sounds like a neat-freak to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GillySaysGoodbye
    The Si-creatives definitely win this one. EJ temperment gives desire to create order, plus concern for physical harmony, cleanliness, and practicality; thus, creating and maintaining order in matters of physical harmony, cleanliness, and practicality. Sounds like a neat-freak to me.
    I agree. Si EJs win this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GillySaysGoodbye
    The Si-creatives definitely win this one. EJ temperment gives desire to create order, plus concern for physical harmony, cleanliness, and practicality; thus, creating and maintaining order in matters of physical harmony, cleanliness, and practicality. Sounds like a neat-freak to me.
    I agree. Si EJs win this one.
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    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    So... which type is the least likely to be a 'neat freak'? INTp?
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    So... which type is the least likely to be a 'neat freak'? INTp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KSpin
    So... which type is the least likely to be a 'neat freak'? INTp?
    ENTj.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSpin
    So... which type is the least likely to be a 'neat freak'? INTp?
    ENTj.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Here's my breakdown... keep in mind that environmental factors play a huge role in this type of thing though. There will be a lot of people who are different than many other people of their type. Also, life stages play a huge role, too. Most teenagers and many young people are going to be messier than those who are in different life stages. That said:

    There are different reasons for/types of cleanliness. Sanitation, functionality, organization, and aesthetics/comfort. Different types are concerned with different aspects of cleanliness. I think ESTjs are most likely to be concerned with every area I listed, so imo they're the worst of the "neat freaks". Rational types are likely to value organization, but they don't necessarily need things to appear aesthetically pleasing (depending on other factors). Si types will want to make their surroundings comfortable, whatever that may mean to them. Ne dominants appreciate comfortable surroundings but may not be great at staying on top of chores to avoid clutter. Ne creative types also appreciate comfortable surroundings, but may be more likely to try to keep their things organized, particularly INTjs. I think Te dominants are more likely to care about order for the sake of functionality and Fe dominants are more likely to care about order for the sake of appearance, in case someone stops by unexpectedly, or because of their role, such as wife or mother (oh no, Joy said "Fe"! let the bitching commence!). Ti types may want their work and living areas to be systematized and structured, just like their thinking, particular Ti dominants. Ni dominants may very well be the types who care least about the state of their surroundings, but I dunno. Si PoLR types care to some extent, but not enough to stay right on top of chores. I think Si PoLR types are also likely to be perfectionists, wanting something they're cleaning to be spotless when they're through, and as a result might put chores off because they know the chore will require a lot of effort to be completed to their liking. I think introverts are more likely to concern themselves with their belongings or the areas that are most important to them because these things are something of an extension of their inner state. Extroverts aren't as discriminant, and while everyone's surroundings are a reflection of their inner state to some extent, I think extroverts' inner states are more likely to be influenced by their surroundings.

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    Here's my breakdown... keep in mind that environmental factors play a huge role in this type of thing though. There will be a lot of people who are different than many other people of their type. Also, life stages play a huge role, too. Most teenagers and many young people are going to be messier than those who are in different life stages. That said:

    There are different reasons for/types of cleanliness. Sanitation, functionality, organization, and aesthetics/comfort. Different types are concerned with different aspects of cleanliness. I think ESTjs are most likely to be concerned with every area I listed, so imo they're the worst of the "neat freaks". Rational types are likely to value organization, but they don't necessarily need things to appear aesthetically pleasing (depending on other factors). Si types will want to make their surroundings comfortable, whatever that may mean to them. Ne dominants appreciate comfortable surroundings but may not be great at staying on top of chores to avoid clutter. Ne creative types also appreciate comfortable surroundings, but may be more likely to try to keep their things organized, particularly INTjs. I think Te dominants are more likely to care about order for the sake of functionality and Fe dominants are more likely to care about order for the sake of appearance, in case someone stops by unexpectedly, or because of their role, such as wife or mother (oh no, Joy said "Fe"! let the bitching commence!). Ti types may want their work and living areas to be systematized and structured, just like their thinking, particular Ti dominants. Ni dominants may very well be the types who care least about the state of their surroundings, but I dunno. Si PoLR types care to some extent, but not enough to stay right on top of chores. I think Si PoLR types are also likely to be perfectionists, wanting something they're cleaning to be spotless when they're through, and as a result might put chores off because they know the chore will require a lot of effort to be completed to their liking. I think introverts are more likely to concern themselves with their belongings or the areas that are most important to them because these things are something of an extension of their inner state. Extroverts aren't as discriminant, and while everyone's surroundings are a reflection of their inner state to some extent, I think extroverts' inner states are more likely to be influenced by their surroundings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark
    Quote Originally Posted by KSpin
    So... which type is the least likely to be a 'neat freak'? INTp?
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    lol that could very well be... they may want things to be neat, but they don't want to have to be the one to worry about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark
    Quote Originally Posted by KSpin
    So... which type is the least likely to be a 'neat freak'? INTp?
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    lol that could very well be... they may want things to be neat, but they don't want to have to be the one to worry about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSpin
    So... which type is the least likely to be a 'neat freak'? INTp?
    Well, LIEs are EJs, which, as Joy said, means that they definitely have some concern for order, and organization around the home is one of these things; they aren't indifferent, but would rather it just "happen" (exactly what they get from ESIs: an LSE or ESE would probably "enlist" an EII or LII into helping them clean, while an ESI or LSI would more likely just do it and get it done with). I would say the types with the least regard for organization of this kind would be either Ne EPs or Ni IPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSpin
    So... which type is the least likely to be a 'neat freak'? INTp?
    Well, LIEs are EJs, which, as Joy said, means that they definitely have some concern for order, and organization around the home is one of these things; they aren't indifferent, but would rather it just "happen" (exactly what they get from ESIs: an LSE or ESE would probably "enlist" an EII or LII into helping them clean, while an ESI or LSI would more likely just do it and get it done with). I would say the types with the least regard for organization of this kind would be either Ne EPs or Ni IPs.

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    When I was younger I used to be extremely messy. When I turned about 17 or 18 though, I started to feel physically uncomfortable if my surroundings were messy, so since then I've made an effort to keep things relatively tidy around me. I only care about my own stuff though, I couldn't care less about other people's mess. I think the worst thing for me is to have loads of papers scattered all over my desk. I don't mind having lots of clutter, as long as it's sorted into piles of some sort.

    As for maintaining tidiness.. I tend to suddenly notice after some time that it's become messy again (usually with regards to my stuff at home) and then spend some time tidying it all up. This usually happens once every few weeks or so.
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    When I was younger I used to be extremely messy. When I turned about 17 or 18 though, I started to feel physically uncomfortable if my surroundings were messy, so since then I've made an effort to keep things relatively tidy around me. I only care about my own stuff though, I couldn't care less about other people's mess. I think the worst thing for me is to have loads of papers scattered all over my desk. I don't mind having lots of clutter, as long as it's sorted into piles of some sort.

    As for maintaining tidiness.. I tend to suddenly notice after some time that it's become messy again (usually with regards to my stuff at home) and then spend some time tidying it all up. This usually happens once every few weeks or so.
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    I am really messy However I can stand my own messiness better than other people's messiness. It is a controlled mess I make . Sometimes we have guests over night who are really messy and it seems to bug me a bit as they make a mess in the wrong way. You could say I kind of expect other people to be less messy than me in order to balance me. If I meet someone who is more messy than me I sort of start to act the opposite I usually do to counter all that chaos and can't be my messy self

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    I am really messy However I can stand my own messiness better than other people's messiness. It is a controlled mess I make . Sometimes we have guests over night who are really messy and it seems to bug me a bit as they make a mess in the wrong way. You could say I kind of expect other people to be less messy than me in order to balance me. If I meet someone who is more messy than me I sort of start to act the opposite I usually do to counter all that chaos and can't be my messy self

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    I'm like a walking disaster zone creator... everywhere I go mess is sure to follow. Part of the problem is that my hands have a mind of their own and are usually pretty hyper. Without thinking about it I tend to shred and tear apart anything near me into little pieces. I usually don't notice this until I get up and see the confetti that's surrounding where I was sitting. Also when I'm finished with things like soda cans, food wrappers or cigarrete butts I tend to just throw them off to the side and never think about them again. Add on top of all this my enjoyment of smoking the pot and you've got little piles of seeds and stems and cashed out half smoked bowls lying all over the place on most surfaces of my room. It's pretty funny when I'm over at my ex's visiting because she just kind of follows around picking up after me without a word because she's so used to my ways (and she's a bit of a cleaning freak) That part of our relationship actually worked out really well because I gave her something to clean (she needs that or she starts screwing with her body compulsively) and she made sure I didn't end up in the middle of a pigsty of shredded paper and empty soda cans lol

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    I'm like a walking disaster zone creator... everywhere I go mess is sure to follow. Part of the problem is that my hands have a mind of their own and are usually pretty hyper. Without thinking about it I tend to shred and tear apart anything near me into little pieces. I usually don't notice this until I get up and see the confetti that's surrounding where I was sitting. Also when I'm finished with things like soda cans, food wrappers or cigarrete butts I tend to just throw them off to the side and never think about them again. Add on top of all this my enjoyment of smoking the pot and you've got little piles of seeds and stems and cashed out half smoked bowls lying all over the place on most surfaces of my room. It's pretty funny when I'm over at my ex's visiting because she just kind of follows around picking up after me without a word because she's so used to my ways (and she's a bit of a cleaning freak) That part of our relationship actually worked out really well because I gave her something to clean (she needs that or she starts screwing with her body compulsively) and she made sure I didn't end up in the middle of a pigsty of shredded paper and empty soda cans lol

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    The people I know who are most "neat freaky" are ESTj and ESFj.

    Some people are as a result of upbringing rather than type. Or partially upbringing and partially type. But as far as natural need to have their spaces very very neat, ESxj.
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    The people I know who are most "neat freaky" are ESTj and ESFj.

    Some people are as a result of upbringing rather than type. Or partially upbringing and partially type. But as far as natural need to have their spaces very very neat, ESxj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    The people I know who are most "neat freaky" are ESTj and ESFj.

    Some people are as a result of upbringing rather than type. Or partially upbringing and partially type. But as far as natural need to have their spaces very very neat, ESxj.
    If you subtract my father and just a few other guys I know then I totally agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz
    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    The people I know who are most "neat freaky" are ESTj and ESFj.

    Some people are as a result of upbringing rather than type. Or partially upbringing and partially type. But as far as natural need to have their spaces very very neat, ESxj.
    If you subtract my father and just a few other guys I know then I totally agree.
    I know an ESFj guy who isn't a neat freak by any means, but I think it's because he's a guy... not that it should matter, but I think in his mind it does.

    When I visited Peter's parents over Christmas his dad told me about how Peter kept his room really neat and clean from the time he was a little kid forward.
    SEE-Se, 852 sx/so

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