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    quotes about herself:


    I feel like you get more bees with honey. But that doesn't mean I don't get frustrated in my life. My way of dealing with frustration is to shut down and to think and speak logically.

    I wanted to sell a million records, and I sold a million records. I wanted to go platinum; I went platinum. I've been working nonstop since I was 15. I don't even know how to chill out.

    I hold a lot of things in. I'm always making sure everybody is okay. I usually don't rage; I usually don't curse. So for me, it's a great thing to be able to scream and say whatever I want.

    If I weren't performing, I'd be a beauty editor or a therapist. I love creativity, but I also love to help others. My mother was a hairstylist, and they listen to everyone's problems - like a beauty therapist!

    Who I am on stage is very, very different to who I am in real life.

    Power means happiness; power means hard work and sacrifice.

    For me, it's about the way I carry myself and the way I treat other people. My relationship and how I feel about God and what He does for me, is something deeply personal. It's where I came from, my family, I was brought up in a religious household and that's very important to me.

    I think it's healthy for a person to be nervous. It means you care - that you work hard and want to give a great performance. You just have to channel that nervous energy into the show.

    I mean, I feel like you get more bees with honey. But that doesn't mean I don't get frustrated in my life.

    I like to walk around with bare feet and I don't like to comb my hair.

    My style offstage is so different from onstage. I love a pair of sexy heels with jeans, a nice jacket, or a little dress.

    I'm over being a pop star. I don't wanna be a hot girl. I wanna be iconic. And I feel like I've accomplished a lot. I feel like I'm highly respected, which is more important than any award or any amount of records. And I feel like there comes a point when being a pop star is not enough.

    When you love and accept yourself, when you know who really cares about you, and when you learn from your mistakes, then you stop caring about what people who don’t know you think.

    The reality is: sometimes you lose. And you’re never too good to lose. You’re never too big to lose. You’re never too smart to lose. It happens.






    The song "Bootylicious" features lyrics of a confident woman taunting a man, suggesting that he is not ready because her body is "too bootylicious". It features an interpolation from the Stevie Nicks song "Edge of Seventeen".
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    She seems to try very hard to force emotion, as if she's not sincere. I've always gotten a cold vibe from her. All I could gather would be an ST or NT of some sort.

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    ISFp. She's really pretty.

    EDIT: Maybe ISTp. IDK.

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    I have always got a ISFJ vibe from Beyonce. She is very rehersed for any appearance. Certainly rational. She VIs as ISFJ IMO and I could even imagine that JZ (her beau) is LIE.

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    I'd tap it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz
    I have always got a ISFJ vibe from Beyonce. She is very rehersed for any appearance. Certainly rational. She VIs as ISFJ IMO and I could even imagine that JZ (her beau) is LIE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat
    I'd tap it
    Yeah, you are sane, after all...

    ESI could work.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129
    She seems to try very hard to force emotion, as if she's not sincere. I've always gotten a cold vibe from her. All I could gather would be an ST or NT of some sort.
    Yup, ENTP IMO
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    ESE - full of passionate, emotional energy. At the same time, rational, clean-cut and professional. Appearance in good order, aesthetic and comfortable and never sloppy. Cheerful and polite, smiles a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Oliver Aaron View Post
    ESE - full of passionate, emotional energy. At the same time, rational, clean-cut and professional. Appearance in good order, aesthetic and comfortable and never sloppy. Cheerful and polite, smiles a lot.
    I agree. And my ILE friend loves her.
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    She's Ni + Fe for sure. Watch @ 2:14 "... do things that'll make people wanna dance, and move around, and dance in the clubs, or in their school plays, or whatever..." Remember, Ni is all about the inner dynamics of things, as it means "Implicit Object Dynamics". When paired with Fe, which means "Explicit Field Dynamics", or the dynamics of social interaction, Ni can allow a user to predict another individual's actions. Someone who perceives accurately the dynamics of social interaction and who can deduce the inner emotional dynamics of a person would be in a good position to "do things that'll make people wanna dance, and move around, and dance in the clubs, or in their school plays, or whatever."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johannes Bloem View Post
    She's Ni + Fe for sure. Watch @ 2:14 "... do things that'll make people wanna dance, and move around, and dance in the clubs, or in their school plays, or whatever..." Remember, Ni is all about the inner dynamics of things, as it means "Implicit Object Dynamics". When paired with Fe, which means "Explicit Field Dynamics", or the dynamics of social interaction, Ni can allow a user to predict another individual's actions. Someone who perceives accurately the dynamics of social interaction and who can deduce the inner emotional dynamics of a person would be in a good position to "do things that'll make people wanna dance, and move around, and dance in the clubs, or in their school plays, or whatever."
    Actually, Fe is Internal Dynamics of Objects and Ni is Internal Dynamics of Fields. Si would be External Dynamics of Fields.

    I'd say that someone who wants to activate people physically as well as emotionally is a good example of Si with Fe rather than Fe and Ni. Her performances are meant to create physical revelry, dancing, enjoyment etc.

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    I'm surprised at all these typings. I think she's a pretty clear ESI. I think Jay z is LIE, her dual. Gamma power couple.

    I would go into detailed explanation, but I'm in a hurry.
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    Yeah... Gamma SF. Leaning towards SEE, too.

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    What a riot. I pick up vibes. Jay-Z is LIE, right?


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    Beyonce is a typical SEE E3.
    (The E3 makes her look "professional"; besides the fact she will have countless makeup and manager people helping her out with that.)

    I don't see Jay-Z being that different; he seems like another SEE, but rather being E6 instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight View Post
    Beyonce is a typical SEE E3.
    (The E3 makes her look "professional"; besides the fact she will have countless makeup and manager people helping her out with that.)

    I don't see Jay-Z being that different; he seems like another SEE, but rather being E6 instead.
    Agree. He cheated on her recently so she made a whole album of angry music? SEE go all out and big with their anger. Saame with Taylor swift @Sol

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    She's much too shy, private and humble to be SEE, imo. She's said many times that her stage self is the complete opposite to how she is in real life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    She's much too shy, private and humble to be SEE, imo. She's said many times that her stage self is the complete opposite to how she is in real life.
    This might be a case of a Social blindspot.
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    Even of you believe her to be an extrovert, how is Beyonce an irrational type? How is she at all similar to the likes of Miley Cyrus or Justin Bieber? She's never been a wild free spirit and she has never been into the party scene. She's all about work and keeping her private life strictly under control.

    I think ESI or even ESE would be better suggestions.
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    She is very strong-willed and proud, but intensely private and not easy to know well. Behind Knowles' quiet exterior lies a great deal of emotional depth, sensitivity, complexity, and also fierce determination. When Beyoncé Knowles wants something she goes after it rather quietly but insistently and wholeheartedly - and what Beyoncé Knowles wants, Beyoncé Knowles usually gets.

    She is not a person who lives haphazardly or superficially. Beyoncé wants to live passionately and intensely and is not averse to challenge, danger, or to facing the darker side of life - human pain and struggle. Beyoncé Knowles functions well in crisis situations and she often seeks them out, for she enjoys the feeling of living at full capacity.

    She is very intuitive about other people and especially about their unspoken feelings and hidden motives. Beyoncé Knowles usually has strong, immediate gut reactions, either positive or negative, which prove to be correct. Knowles approaches life very instinctively and is not always fully conscious of why she feels or acts the way she does. Beyoncé Knowles also has a very strong affinity with animals - an acute sensitivity and a nonverbal rapport with them.

    In new relationships she is rather cautious, sometimes even suspicious, until she gets to know and trust someone - and trust does not come easily to Knowles. When Beyoncé Knowles commits herself emotionally to someone, be it friend or lover, she is intensely loyal and devoted to them and she also expects the same kind of unwavering, undying loyalty in return. If she is ever betrayed by someone she cares deeply for, Beyoncé Knowles is capable of hating and retaliating with as much fervor as she once loved. Nothing is done halfway. In fact, she is intensely involved and often jealously attached to whatever she cares about, be it person, idea, or cause. There is definitely a streak of emotional fanaticism in her.
    Because of her natural reserve, others may see Beyoncé Knowles as something of an enigma. She is quite self-protective and often defensive. Beyoncé Knowles also has a very magnetic quality, especially to members of the opposite sex.

    Beyoncé Knowles can get by in life almost by personality alone. There is a radiant, warm, attractive quality about Beyoncé that others cannot help responding to favorably. Usually she appears confident and clear about who she is, and it is very difficult not to notice her or feel her influence when Knowles is around.

    Beyoncé Knowles has a tendency to live in a world of her own, a world that is likely to be far from reality. Beyoncé wants to make a big impression, and with her dazzling personality she knows how to put on a brilliant show.
    Her family conditions may have been a bit oppressive, adding a note of gravity to Beyoncé's personality. Somewhat insecure, Beyoncé Knowles may feel that others restrain her. She has doubts about mankind in general and a fear of failure.

    This sounds much more like ESI than SEE...
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    Well now trying trace back why I thought SEE... I personally it kind of saw it like this:

    I think she started working very early, which kind of parallels Britney Spears for me, they are in the business for very long now, maybe she guards herself, bc she knows how it can go.
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    here kind of describes how Gamma SF are very focused on their work and why. This + general gut feeling made me go for Gamma SF for her.

    I leaned towards SEE because I thought she was leading with Se and had a Te hidden agenda. Reading the description... idk... I mean depending on the way how you interpret things written about her you could go ESI or SEE for her... imo the description can go with SEE just fine... SEE-Fi maybe.

    I mean people often fall into the middle of the ‚classic‘ E/I spectrum. You have LIEs, IEEs, EIEs who might come across /describe themselves as more being more introverted (in the classic understanding of the term), but lead with Te, Ne, Fe.

    I mean lets say, I go with SEE-Fi, so lets look at another Se leading, irrational type like SLE. I mean SLE-Ti descriptions also go with them being watchful and general less ‚in your face‘ or open at first impression... so why not the same for SEE-Fi.

    Her family conditions may have been a bit oppressive, adding a note of gravity to Beyoncé's personality (could be the explanation why she might come across as not ‚that open‘ as other SEEs).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    This sounds much more like ESI than SEE...

    For ESIs, connections with others mark a predominant and over-arching life focus. Though close contacts for ESIs often tend to be sparse, when ESIs find a degree of mutual respect towards others, they can be deeply empathetic, compassionate, and loyal. They may emphasize close connections and mutual understanding with others above all other things.

    ESIs' attitudes towards others are commonly characterized by skepticism and distrust, and their overall demeanor may be private, closed, uncommunicative, and individualistic. They may feel as though they can see into the motivations and character of others, and sometimes are instinctively be quick to judge others harshly. Similarly, they may also have difficulty forgiving others and often react coldly to those with past transgressions, or who they see as immoral or characterologically reprehensible. They may by nature adopt a standoffish, confrontational attitude in lieu of a conciliatory one, which may in fact only serve to aggravate their emotional conflagrations. At the same time, however, they may see their judgmentalism as hypocritical and strive to treat others with reciprocity and fairness rather than preemptive judgments. In this way, their behavior can be an internal conflict, oscillating between the predominance of a curtain of friendliness and a core of distrust. Most commonly, ESIs hold an air of both amicable receptiveness, but also one of penetralia and unapproachability.

    Many ESIs are inclined to see themselves as morally immaculate, and to behave as such whenever they can. They may pride themselves on their emotional sincerity, and when dealing with individuals they respect, they typically try to work out clashes through honest and forthright discussion. However, their sense of principled candor is sometimes marred by the conflicting emotions they experience.

    ESIs can also be rather traditional and conservative in their life outlook. They may tend to see others who interfere with the stability of their lifestyle as untrustworthy and flighty.
    This sounds very similar to how her personality was described.

    "In new relationships she is rather cautious, sometimes even suspicious, until she gets to know and trust someone - and trust does not come easily to Knowles. When Beyoncé Knowles commits herself emotionally to someone, be it friend or lover, she is intensely loyal and devoted to them and she also expects the same kind of unwavering, undying loyalty in return. If she is ever betrayed by someone she cares deeply for, Beyoncé Knowles is capable of hating and retaliating with as much fervor as she once loved. Nothing is done halfway. In fact, she is intensely involved and often jealously attached to whatever she cares about, be it person, idea, or cause. There is definitely a streak of emotional fanaticism in her.
    Because of her natural reserve, others may see Beyoncé Knowles as something of an enigma. She is quite self-protective and often defensive"

    SEEs are typically extroverts in every sense of the word. They are socially spontaneous, hyperactive, engaging, and enthusiastic. They may be predominantly oriented towards parties or other social gatherings, and may frequently and compulsively seek out new acquaintances, stimuli, or experiences. They often seek to augment the depth or intensity of their involvement in any affair -- including but not limited to exerting their emotional and physical energy. They may periodically seek out new stories, gadgets, media, or other things to obsess themselves over. Often they direct their energies to the sphere of social relations, in which they can exhibit a sense of obsessive attachment, intimacy, or closeness with others, sometimes leading contacts to feel smothered or uncomfortable due to a lack of emotional space. They may go about developing close relationships with a variety of acquaintances, effectively developing widespread social networks with a wide range of close contacts.

    SEE are sensitive to the physical stimuli around them and may seek to overload themselves with the experience of the moment. They may tend towards materialistic lifestyles, sporting large collections of various kinds of gadgets or media. They adapt quickly to the changing needs of their environment and may shift quickly from hedonistic indolence to a state of vigor and vitality. They can often appear to act in a sudden, impulsive, uncontrolled, and confused fashion.
    This doesn't sound very much like Beyoncé. SEE is more like "LET'S BE FRIENDS! YOLO!" until you do something to piss them off, while ESI's put up a wall until they've decided that your intentions are pure and you've earned their trust. (I have had a SEE boyfriend and lived with a SEE roommate so I know how initially open and social they are).

    For example, it is public knowledge that Kim Kardashian tried really hard to be Beyoncé's friend, but Beyoncé never wanted to let her in because she felt that Kim's motives were not sincere. She responded coldly to Kim and kept up a wall, despite her & Jay-Z's close friendship with Kanye.



    "they may also have difficulty forgiving others and often react coldly to those with past transgressions, or who they see as immoral or characterologically reprehensible. They may by nature adopt a standoffish, confrontational attitude in lieu of a conciliatory one, which may in fact only serve to aggravate their emotional conflagrations."

    I'm guessing Beyoncé sees Kim as ingenuine, fame hungry and immoral, given her promiscuous nature and rise to fame from a sex tape.
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    I think I remember a description, which states that Gamma Fi is generally about distancing themselves/avoiding bad influences relationships. I remember people could see ESE for Kim, which would put her into Beyonces opposing quadra, also let’s be honest, would you want to be close friends with Kim Kardashian? I watched her performances and her interviews and she pumps so much energy into the crowd and everything while perfoming, also I just think she is too good with Te. I cannot see her as having it as a weak function (suggestive), but I could buy a good focus on the tertiary (because she started out that young in the business). I also don’t think that every person of a type is going to be exactly the same or that they can relate to every description out there. I mean from the above description there were parts, that fit SEE. For what it’s worth I knew a SEE girl in school for about 6 years. So my conclusion: I think I will personally stay with SEE.
     
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    "Who I am on stage is very, very different to who I am in real life." - Beyonce Knowles

    She refers to her stage personality as Sasha Fierce. She says Sasha Fierce is a completely different personality to how she is in real life, which is quite shy and reserved. I could see Sasha Fierce as SEE, which is mostly what the public sees when she is performing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    "Who I am on stage is very, very different to who I am in real life." - Beyonce Knowles She refers to her stage personality as Sasha Fierce. She says Sasha Fierce is a completely different personality to how she is in real life, which is quite reserved. I could see Sasha Fierce as SEE, which is mostly what the public sees when she is performing.
    Ok. I could see that point, like ESIs are strong in Se so she could amp it up and get more reserved afterwards, but how would you explain Te Hidden Agenda vs. Suggestive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymeria View Post


    Ok. I could see that point, like ESIs are strong in Se so she could amp it up and get more reserved afterwards, but how would you explain Te Hidden Agenda vs. Suggestive?
    Well, for one, her husband Jay-Z is most likely LIE and he manages her. Duals work so well together because they compliment eachother blind spots. They are the two halves that make a whole.

    Beyonce's father was also a savvy businessman, and he was the main reason why Destiny's Child became so successful. Beyonce's father managed her solo career until she had a falling out with him and replaced him for her husband Jay-Z.
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    you guys know about lemonade, right?

    Saturday, Beyoncé responded to years’ worth of marital speculation with Lemonade, an explosively honest album in which she lyrically accuses husband Jay Z of lying, cheating, and taking her for granted. As the New Yorker summarized, “Lemonade is the product of a brutal tension: a woman who has been deified by the entire world and yet cannot secure the love of the person closest to her.” A sampling of the accusatory lyrics: “What a wicked way to treat the girl who loves you.” “You can taste the dishonesty. . .It’s all over your breath.” “Tonight I regret the night I put that ring on.”

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/...lemonade-jay-z

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Well, for one, her husband Jay-Z is most likely LIE and he manages her. Duals work so well together because they compliment eachother blind spots. They are the two halves that make a whole. Beyonce's father was also a savvy businessman, and he was the main reason why Destiny's Child became so successful. Beyonce's father managed her solo career until she had a falling out with him and replaced him for her husband Jay-Z.
    And this is where I actually can see them as activators. They kind of produce things together. I find her to be having too much personal drive in these matters. Own ideas. I cannot imagine Jay Z or her dad being the ones doing all the planning etc. being driving force behind everything. Britney also got managed by her dad and passes of as SEE just fine. Same with Miley Cyrus and her dad and both probably have staff and everything behind everything, too. I mean during a certain age that's just how it goes, and how it probably works with child stars. But I think she can stand on her own in that respect just fine, now. You could say that she is still not that strong, because she seeks advice in these matters, but its more along the way that she has plans and ideas herself and just seeks a bit for clarification. I probably come across as very set on the typing? I just like to discuss. You don't get it that often, that people lay out their explanations or just disagree and are open to talk about their reasoning and you can talk it through with someone without it getting bitter or sth. I personally settled with Gamma SF for sure and just leaned for SEE, but I think ESI could work fine too. So probably sth. along the lines of SEE-Fi or ESI-Se.

    Re. lemonade: duality or activation or whatever is maybe not everything/socionics does not explain/account for everything, but they are still together right? so we are back at whatever works and making your own decisions in life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymeria View Post
    I watched her performances and her interviews and she pumps so much energy into the crowd and everything while perfoming
    This is Fe, my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymeria View Post


    And this is where I actually can see them as activators. They kind of produce things together. I find her to be having too much personal drive in these matters. Own ideas. I cannot imagine Jay Z or her dad being the ones doing all the planning etc. being driving force behind everything. Britney also got managed by her dad and passes of as SEE just fine. Same with Miley Cyrus and her dad and both probably have staff and everything behind everything, too. I mean during a certain age that's just how it goes, and how it probably works with child stars. But I think she can stand on her own in that respect just fine, now. You could say that she is still not that strong, because she seeks advice in these matters, but its more along the way that she has plans and ideas herself and just seeks a bit for clarification. I probably come across as very set on the typing? I just like to discuss. You don't get it that often, that people lay out their explanations or just disagree and are open to talk about their reasoning and you can talk it through with someone without it getting bitter or sth. I personally settled with Gamma SF for sure and just leaned for SEE, but I think ESI could work fine too. So probably sth. along the lines of SEE-Fi or ESI-Se.

    Re. lemonade: duality or activation or whatever is maybe not everything/socionics does not explain/account for everything, but they are still together right? so we are back at whatever works and making your own decisions in life...
    Since when does personal drive have anything to do with Te? I know plenty of ESI who were driven in getting what they want, be it academics or moving up in their careers. My dad is Te PoLR and was very successful in getting ahead in his career, though it was the military so he was given a structure to follow. Beyonce is also probably given a structure to follow as she is quite manufactured like a lot of pop stares are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suz View Post
    This is Fe, my friend.
    SEE have Fe demonstrative, so they can be pretty strong in it.

    It could also be high Se.

    With Fe it will put her either in Beta or in Alpha.

    I suppose people want to go with ESE or ISFp for her?

    So Jay Z is LIE and they are Conflictors or Super Ego?

    As ESE or SEI you will have her as Caregiver type.

    I mean I went with Aggressor, bc content like in 'all the single ladies' etc.
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