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    typed Moby as ILE a while back, this song seems typically - hopeful for the future and what it holds.



    Another song that is maybe not Alpha but way .

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    typed Moby as ILE a while back, this song seems typically - hopeful for the future and what it holds.
    The style is Beta/IEI in the first place (I'd put that in line Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, REM). The message is symbolic-Ni - people are made of stars. [1] On Wikipedia I read that Moby's preoccupations are, in all their diversity, solely human-oriented and activist or charitable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    typed Moby as ILE a while back, this song seems typically - hopeful for the future and what it holds.
    The style is Beta/IEI in the first place (I'd put that in line Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, REM). The message is symbolic-Ni - people are made of stars. [1] On Wikipedia I read that Moby's preoccupations are, in all their diversity, solely human-oriented and activist or charitable.
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    [1] - it's the given meaning and how that changes our perspective, denotation is irrelevant.
    The way I interpret is that he is commenting on all the things human beings have in common, their essence - . There is some in the song lyrics too but generally the mood of hopefulness seems .



    appreciation of eclecticism, how his expectations are often confounded by what happens - typical themes

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    The way I interpret is that he is commenting on all the things human beings have in common, their essence - .
    If that so, then I fully agree. I'm just having a hard time interpretting the metaphor as an insight in the real nature of things, as I gather Ne uses to, but like I said, a symbolic convention, something we can/like to believe to draw a specific conclusion.

    The only thing that comes to my mind right now to exemplify to you the distinction I make between the Ni-ish symbolism and Ne-ish insights is the Beta-ish "I am my own god" [1], that is not intended to be naturalistic, but symbolic, conventional, social, practical, although probably correct from a certain perspective. Just that perspective always falls out of the scope of Ne, which is naturalistic, "what *truly is* a god?", "can a man be a god?", etc.

    The same difference in scope I see between Alpha and Beta when it comes to cosmology in general. I would be interested to hear from you how you perceive that message as some insight into the nature of things VS a deep analysis in their meaning to us.
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    appreciation of eclecticism, how his expectations are often confounded by what happens - typical themes
    I'm sorry, but I always associated eclecticism with Ni and Fi. I personally don't see how it can be associated with Ne (from the Socionics reference), since it (eclecticism) deals with "interesting" combinations, possibilities, it picks freely bits and pieces that ought be genuine in themselves for a reason (in them, in the things), combined by the use of imagination, in the eye of the beholder.

    Like you, I think Ne is seeking (or rather is) the hidden true essence of things, additionally I gather that Ni deals with the possibilities that make sense [2] for us, therefore my conclusion is that they diverge, not in scope, but in method, from each other. I don't see any reason to view alternate realities as Ne instead of Ni, especially when we know that ILE is best at seeking what's really out there by insights and revealings [3], instead of being exceptionally proficient in personal creativity.
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    [2] - like Fi, it's an inner, cultural, familiar sense, not strict and regulatory, like the External Introverted functions (Ti, Si).
    [3] - that doesn't exclude the uncommon or surprising, of course.
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    The only thing that comes to my mind right now to exemplify to you the distinction I make between the Ni-ish symbolism and Ne-ish insights is the Beta-ish "I am my own god" [1], that is not intended to be naturalistic, but symbolic, conventional, social, practical, although probably correct from a certain perspective. Just that perspective always falls out of the scope of Ne, which is naturalistic, "what *truly is* a god?", "can a man be a god?", etc.
    You are going to have to explain this to me.

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    The same difference in scope I see between Alpha and Beta when it comes to cosmology in general. I would be interested to hear from you how you perceive that message as some insight into the nature of things VS a deep analysis in their meaning to us.
    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    appreciation of eclecticism, how his expectations are often confounded by what happens - typical themes
    I'm sorry, but I always associated eclecticism with Ni and Fi. I personally don't see how it can be associated with Ne (from the Socionics reference), since it (eclecticism) deals with "interesting" combinations, possibilities, it picks freely bits and pieces that ought be genuine in themselves for a reason (in them, in the things), combined by the use of imagination, in the eye of the beholder.
    "interesting combinations, possibilities" - these are categories that are conventionally (and correctly) associated with .

    Like you, I think Ne is seeking (or rather is) the hidden true essence of things, additionally I gather that Ni deals with the possibilities that make sense [2] for us, therefore my conclusion is that they diverge, not in scope, but in method, from each other. I don't see any reason to view alternate realities as Ne instead of Ni, especially when we know that ILE is best at seeking what's really out there by insights and revealings [3], instead of being exceptionally proficient in personal creativity.
    The context of art is irrelevant, the point is that the approach is : to look at all the possible ways of doing it and compare their merits and try to draw the best from all of them, with a slant on what is objectively observable rather than personally, emotionally significant.

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    alpha oldies?




    apha/delta??? this particular song feels more alpha for me but I'm confused about the singer.


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    Also I can totally shuffle - the dance originated here in my home city
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    Penny Lane sounds and feels alpha


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
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    I didn't really like this song, but I think it's suitable for an Alpha.
    This is my "go-to" song when people ask for a song that describes me. It cheers me up, too, so good choice. I prefer the Frank Sinatra version, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxOnStilts View Post
    This is my "go-to" song when people ask for a song that describes me. It cheers me up, too, so good choice. I prefer the Frank Sinatra version, though.
    Nice song..You seem so cold then..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    Nice song..You seem so cold then..
    Just wait til I break out the Ke$ha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJQPxRQ3eP8
    88 18 84 97.4 279-6 35e8 = Alpha. So are the commie scum smashing commandos, too. In fact, the whole aryan race is Alpha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ineffable View Post
    88 18 84 97.4 279-6 35e8 = Alpha. So are the commie scum smashing commandos, too. In fact, the whole aryan race is Alpha!
    Thanks, Don Quixote.

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    everyone gotta freestyla! Boom yeah huh!
    is like a wet kiss on the cheek and a warm hug by a cute smiling girl.
    is the confetti shots on your birthday party with all your friends.
    is a way to completely rip apart the face of god and stare directly at the naked universe.
    is like over here and then over there and they are all connected and I am on amphetamine.

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    Extreme ways (music video) Jason Bourne

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    darn it, this thread can't post 3 songs!

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    ceh! i think tis song suitable for an alpha..

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    It would be nice if you would explain why this song uses dichotomies that the alpha quadra values. If you just take some "yeah that's prolly alpha" you are not really doing socionics. But maybe you are doing that without saying it.
    is like a wet kiss on the cheek and a warm hug by a cute smiling girl.
    is the confetti shots on your birthday party with all your friends.
    is a way to completely rip apart the face of god and stare directly at the naked universe.
    is like over here and then over there and they are all connected and I am on amphetamine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fermi View Post
    It would be nice if you would explain why this song uses dichotomies that the alpha quadra values. If you just take some "yeah that's prolly alpha" you are not really doing socionics. But maybe you are doing that without saying it.
    i'm a slow learner by reading, i still learning it. i don't really know much about socionic, however if i learn socionic by pictures, i can learn fast i think so..i don't know what is dichotomies..

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    actually saying just dichotomies might be not what I meant. Even though you can attribute that to music.
    For it to be in a quadra I guess you have to point out that the music seem to value the information elements the quadra values.

    There are better information on the wiki about this and there's also some examples:

    http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Music
    is like a wet kiss on the cheek and a warm hug by a cute smiling girl.
    is the confetti shots on your birthday party with all your friends.
    is a way to completely rip apart the face of god and stare directly at the naked universe.
    is like over here and then over there and they are all connected and I am on amphetamine.

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