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  • ILE (ENTp)

    0 0%
  • SEI (ISFp)

    1 4.55%
  • ESE (ESFj)

    0 0%
  • LII (INTj)

    0 0%
  • SLE (ESTp)

    1 4.55%
  • IEI (INFp)

    0 0%
  • EIE (ENFj)

    0 0%
  • LSI (ISTj)

    7 31.82%
  • SEE (ESFp)

    3 13.64%
  • ILI (INTp)

    3 13.64%
  • LIE (ENTj)

    2 9.09%
  • ESI (ISFj)

    2 9.09%
  • IEE (ENFp)

    0 0%
  • SLI (ISTp)

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  • LSE (ESTj)

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    I'm reading her autobiography right now. It's rather interesting.











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    I think SLE.

    Fairly certain...

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    ga naar bed, het is laat...
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    Many black Americans are SEE type.

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    Gamma SF I think, prolly ESI. Definitely not SLE.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    I don't see SLE. ESI or LSI seem like very good bets to me.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    ga naar bed, het is laat...
    haha. ja ach, morgen vrij :-)

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    She's Ti ISTj. Introverted and Fe seeking. IJ seems to capture her well, and uh she is just not Ne.



    duals, Fe ENFj and Ti ISTj:



    Static and Se:




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    i like the young picture of her with bill where she is very poorly groomed. I think IJ for sure, but i consider ILI and LII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I don't see SLE. ESI or LSI seem like very good bets to me.
    I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    duals, Fe ENFj and Ti ISTj:


    Those are acceptable typings. Alternatives I've considered are ENFj-ISFj and ENTp-ESFp, partly because of relationship dynamics that make more sense than duality.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Bill is probably Fe-ESE, IMO.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Bill was probably Fe-ESE, IMO.
    I've considered ESE before, but......

    http://the16types.info/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=19833
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Interesting. Perhaps Fe-EIE is best. I can relate a lot to what they say about him.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    all I have to say is: she's not SLE.

    those are some unattractive images of her. poor dear...
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    oke not SLE then. It was just the 'vybe' that I got. Because of her somewhat agressive pushy behaviour I saw on t.v.

    Maybe she's different on other occasions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    haha. ja ach, morgen vrij :-)
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    I think steve is correct on LSI-Ti
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    has tu kain vaark zu tun?
    No Rick, it's not German!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    has tu kain vaark zu tun?
    ich hab vaark von montag bis dunderstag. immer vreitag vrij.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
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    Is that scottisch?

    we must have an Allo Allo thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    I've considered ESE before, but......

    http://the16types.info/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=19833
    I used to be sure Bill was ESE and Hilary was LSI, but after reading that I'm more obliged to see Bill as EIE and Hilary as ESI, for sure. Anyway, I don't think they're duals.

    Quote Originally Posted by quoted from Expat
    "Unlike him she's a normal human being, with emotions. She is capable of love and affection and caring and compassion and warmth and empathy in a way that he is simply not. When he's with other people, he absorbs their emotion and their energy, and gives it back to them with a tremendous radiance that passes for emotion. It's nothing phony, it's heartfelt at the moment, but it's your feeling coming back to you. When he's alone, he's incapable really of feeling much of anything. He's an emotional albino."

    "Her spiritual mysticism -- is an essential characteristic. She doesn't feel all the bumps on the road because she does have a faith -- it's not "Let Go, Let God" because she tries to manipulate the outcome. But I think that she has a piece with herself over the outcome -- that in times of threats that loom in her life, or have loomed and still loom, they are such that if she took all of them very seriously she'd be a wreck. I think that there's a kind of detachment that probably has a spiritual sense".

    "He works in a different way than [she] -- because his is a more creative intelligence. He can take in the world, and put it together in new ways. She takes in the world, and can at times make good decisions, and can see the fault lines and where the fights are. But she can't necessarily create something new out of it, or create a solution where one doesn't necessarily exist, or have the patience to let the decision present itself. She's much more apt to, when she hits a wall, bang her head into it. He'll figure out a way to go around it or jump over it".

    "She's not a creative thinker -- she's not a heavily substantive person. She's not a heavy-duty intellectual. He's much brighter than she is. She's bright, but she's not very bright. She doesn't spend her time like he does worrying about every problem facing the world, and trying to come up with a solution. [ -- ] She has a certain genre of intelligence, which is that of a very effective advocate".

    "He's always talking about books that he either just read or something he read in college. And he'll talk about Thomas Aquinas in the conversation. He'll talk about Erasmus. And he'll talk about Paul Kennedy. [ -- ] It will be a melange, a mosaic -- With her, there are never footprints of anything she's read beyond immediate preparation for her work".

    "She's not supple, flexible, or terribly skillful politically. She's brittle, rigid, with the fragility of iron that cracks when you drop it as opposed to steel, which doesn't."

    "She definitely has a streak of ruthlessness and paranoia [ - - ]. She has enemies. She has an enemies list. She has people she talks to, and people she does not talk to. When she's mad at you she doesn't talk to you for months and months and months. She has a very long shit list. And, she believes in always taking the fight to the other side [ -- ]"

    "In a real sense she is his human face [- - ] She's a real person. I think the big frustration of their marriage is that she's married to the most elusive, withholding, anal-retentive man you can imagine. He uses denial of affection as his method of getting people to do what he wants them to do - the ones he's close to - rather than to praise or give affection. It's the strangers he showers everything on -- If he feels that his relationship with you is set, there's nothing to lose -- As he does with her."

    "I believe it's a relationship in which she is -- addicted to him. And she adores him. She's the best thing that ever happened to him. But he's very elusive and very remote. And when he requires rescue she gets more attention, more affection, more love, more of the caring that I believe she craves from him, and also more power than she otherwise would get."

    [--] "I believe that it's a relationship based on mutual enabling. Because she likes what happens when she rescues him -- I think to extent that he's capable of loving anybody, he loves her. But it's a very limited capability in the first place. I think that he sometimes resents her and shakes under her domination. Sometime he welcomes her and needs her, because he requires her rescuing. And, other times he doesn't think a whole lot about her at all -- "

    "I think if she left him it would be a big blow to him, not in the sense that he'd miss her, but in the sense that he would find unacceptable the image of himself that he'd see in the mirror: the man that [she] left. But he'd get over it, and he would go on".
    Seems like she values Fi while having difficulty with Ne, while he is adapt at Fe while having Fi as his ignoring function. Also here -

    [--] "I believe that it's a relationship based on mutual enabling. Because she likes what happens when she rescues him -- I think to extent that he's capable of loving anybody, he loves her. But it's a very limited capability in the first place. I think that he sometimes resents her and shakes under her domination. Sometime he welcomes her and needs her, because he requires her rescuing. And, other times he doesn't think a whole lot about her at all -- "

    "I think if she left him it would be a big blow to him, not in the sense that he'd miss her, but in the sense that he would find unacceptable the image of himself that he'd see in the mirror: the man that [she] left. But he'd get over it, and he would go on".
    Interesting.
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    that's really interesting.
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    The profile on Bill Clinton sounds as if BC has as 6th function, because the writer says he is unable to feel emotions when alone, but he is engaging when surrounded by people.

    B.Clinton and Hillary may be conflictors: what she values most is highly unimportant to him...who knows?
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    It sounds like the writer of the text is a valuer, and probably also a valuer (or at least an intuiter), and views Bill's emotions as fundamentally "phony." These are things I've heard said of leading males -- things like "he has no feelings of his own but just mirrors others' emotions." But the same is rarely said of leading women... At the same time, the author views Clinton's intellect as being of a "smarter," more "creative" variety than Hillary's. Elsewhere, however, Hillary is described as being very sharp, lucid, and having a commanding knowledge of issues.

    One has to keep in mind that many men are seen as distant and women as more immediate, compassionate, and real, especially in their emotional expression. Ethical men very often use their ethics to secure territory, and not necessarily to connect with people, care for them, and maintain relationships for relationships' sake.

    If their genders weren't known, we might think Hillary was the ethical type and Bill the logical type, but this part makes it clearer that it's the other way around:


    "He uses denial of affection as his method of getting people to do what he wants them to do - the ones he's close to - rather than to praise or give affection. It's the strangers he showers everything on -- If he feels that his relationship with you is set, there's nothing to lose -- As he does with her... I believe it's a relationship in which she is -- addicted to him. And she adores him."


    In other words, he uses doses of affection to achieve his goals, and she is hooked on that. He showers attention on strangers while often showing indifference to those whose adoration is already secure (sounds like leading , or an ethical extravert). If Hillary were ESI and Bill EIE, according to Expat's hypothesis, it's hard to see why she would be "addicted to him." Presumably, what she would appreciate about him would be the , not the . Yet the things she says about him seem to be along the lines of, "he is the most interesting, energizing and fully alive person I have ever met." That's like a leading type appreciating a leading type in an intimate relationship for his imaginativeness and perceptiveness.

    Here Hillary is described as a more compassionate and sincere person than Bill, but elsewhere she's described as "tough as nails," "sharp," "exacting," "uncompromising," etc.

    I still maintain that Bill is ESE and Hillary LSI.
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    One of the many reasons I disagree with EIE for Clinton are the reactions to him I've seen from SLIs (basically, "a really interesting person I'd like to meet"). These same SLIs react negatively to the melodrama of Reagan and to the overbearingness of Hillary.

    It's hard to know for sure, though, as these are democrat SLIs. A strongly Republican SLI I know views Clinton as a flake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by implied View Post
    is that go to bed, it's late?
    Yes, it is. As in: clearly you are tired at 2 AM if you think Hillary is SLE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    I still maintain that Bill is ESE and Hillary LSI.
    That would be kinda shaky if the writer is ENFp. He clearly sides with Hillary's personality and I think it's mainly on the basis of Fi. And nothing in his description of Bill points towards strong Si or a sensing type. There's even a lack of Se and 'earthiness' pointed out which I hardly believe could be found in any ESE.
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    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    That would be kinda shaky if the writer is ENFp. He clearly sides with Hillary's personality and I think it's mainly on the basis of Fi. And nothing in his description of Bill points towards strong Si or a sensing type. There's even a lack of Se and 'earthiness' pointed out which I hardly believe could be found in any ESE.
    The writer could just as well be EII (or some other type). There seems to be more than a little judgmentalism (or maybe just an evaluatory tone) in the description, which strikes me as a bit anti-IEE (though we don't know the context of it).

    There's nothing in the description of Bill that points towards intuition either, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    There's nothing in the description of Bill that points towards intuition either, though.
    I would have to disagree. (I've no time to elaborate right now though unfortunately)
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    ISTj seems fine for her, 1w2 sp/so.

    Jenna Marbles does a nice impression of Clinton.

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    SEI final

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    I actually got no good view how she is as a person. I voted SEE

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    I'm guessing SEE-Se, saw a documentary yesterday. i'm not sure though. and cigar bill seems See-Fi.

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    Se-LSI is what I think Hillary Clinton's type is. She tries really hard to be come across as emotional, but is very bad at it so it just comes out as fake.
    "Nothing happens until the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change."

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