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    Lots of LSI's have this laugh
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    Dmitriy Anisimov [с 1:36] - ESTP


    Nikita Medvedev [0:19] - ESTP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I'm pretty sure she is IEI-Fe. She is channeling my cousin. My cousin also dated a cop for a couple of years. I think we can "leak" into becoming our duals a bit if we don't have anyone to take over those parts of us for us.
    I am EIE-Ni and I strongly relate to her worldview, instincts and style of delivery. She is definitely a Beta but not LSI, who would not use this kind of moral indignation.

    Time after time, I seem to notice a natural lack of sympathy amongst Beta Quadra to "social justice" movements, and further to equality as a concept in general. This is a broad subject which deserves its own thread - I may oblige if I can gather my thoughts on the matter.

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    John Smith (Rufus Sewell) from The Man in the High Castle. Very good LSI example imo for those that seen the show.


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    IEI guy? he's got what was shows as Ni eyes in the Ni thread



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    He's probably been posted before, but still...Jeffree Star, EIE.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post

    Bonny Rebecca - INFP
    Nope.



    18 minutes of enthusiastic, nonstop talking, and hand movements. Listen to what she is talking about, it will give you more information. She barely took a moment to breath between thoughts and if she did I missed it. This is not in alignment with my understanding of ip temperament and doesn't even match up to the way you type others on this forum IEI.

    I think IEI is your catch all type of girls you either find attractive, annoying or just not good enough to be your saintly dual. This girl is very high energy, on the go type. Even if you use DCNH she does not fit IEI. I know you don't use that though.



    She is very in tune with her body and calls it intuition but it is sensing. Listen to everything she says after 5:35. She has a constant awareness of what is going on in her body. She has said all she thinks about is food. So is this what Ni is to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post


    She is very in tune with her body and calls it intuition but it is sensing. Listen to everything she says after 5:35. She has a constant awareness of what is going on in her body. She has said all she thinks about is food. So is this what Ni is to you?
    OMG

    She's saying almost verbatim what this ultra Si guy I know says all the time.

    "Listen to your body. Your body will tell you what it needs."

    She even says she literally cannot not listen to her body. All those tricks to make yourself forgot you're hungry doesn't work for her. Reminds me of me when I try not to think Fi thoughts.

    Here's another thing. She says she learns from her bodily experience. She remembers. She's very aware of and it cements in her mind and she takes that experience forward to inform her later decisions. This is a key sign that whatever is going on here is Ego function work. I can't see it as anything other than Si.

    The experiences she has and the feelings she's identified coming from her body are also very nuanced.

    Edit: I can't imagine her eating advice being helpful at all for an IEI. Listen to your body? Yeah that's gonna fly. I see more often IEIs doing is gathering a core fundamental knowledge of how they want to be dieting and how it affects them. And then from there picking out foods to eat. Usually the same few things all the time lol. She's very elaborate with her food. Chocolate dipped biscuits? I've never heard such a thing before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniden View Post
    OMG

    She's saying almost verbatim what this ultra Si guy I know says all the time.

    "Listen to your body. Your body will tell you what it needs."

    She even says she literally cannot not listen to her body. All those tricks to make yourself forgot you're hungry doesn't work for her. Reminds me of me when I try not to think Fi thoughts.

    Here's another thing. She says she learns from her bodily experience. She remembers. She's very aware of and it cements in her mind and she takes that experience forward to inform her later decisions. This is a key sign that whatever is going on here is Ego function work. I can't see it as anything other than Si.

    The experiences she has and the feelings she's identified coming from her body are also very nuanced.

    Edit: I can't imagine her eating advice being helpful at all for an IEI. Listen to your body? Yeah that's gonna fly. I see more often IEIs doing is gathering a core fundamental knowledge of how they want to be dieting and how it affects them. And then from there picking out foods to eat. Usually the same few things all the time lol. She's very elaborate with her food. Chocolate dipped biscuits? I've never heard such a thing before!
    LOL

    Yeah all very good points here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    He's probably been posted before, but still...Jeffree Star, EIE.

    My reaction to this video, time after time, is "Just move on and do something else. We know you are sorry, but cut out the virtue signalling."

    I am cynical about EIE for this reason alone - what confirms it for me is Jeffrey's unawareness of how to engage his audience, and connect with them on a personal level. Look at the ratio of "I" and "me" to "we" and "you". Fe ego types and EIEs in particular are generally very conscious of building intimacy with whoever they are around. Jeffrey also reflects on the past a great deal and shows a clear inability to relate cause and effect, both are typical of types who have Ni in their Id block. He drifts away from the main themes of his video and repeats content regularly.

    I strongly suspect he is an Irrational Ethical type from this style of delivery - most likely an IEE, the Quasi-Identical of an EIE.

    Put it this way. If that guy is an EIE, I sure as hell am not one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I think IEI is your catch all type of girls you either find attractive, annoying or just not good enough to be your saintly dual.
    I place a lot of attractive girls in other types too. I find as attractive most of girls, really.
    Annoying? no. To see IEI girls in video is not annoying for me. Annoying would be try to deal seriously with your type (I tried and it have taken long time to restore).
    "saintly duals" (*sigh*) I saw egocentric EII (think EII, but most typed her other) which is cute and weird in similar degree (if it would be irl, I'd could loose my head and make mistakes). not always I had a pleasure to deal with other EII woman, no romance, she's much older. I also saw not good behavior from EII-man on the forum. So if even to take my own experience, I don't think my duals as saint, while if to add "famouses" (for ex, Dugin is just a hithlerist) the picture is even worse. But they are "sainter" than others, as generally they have what I value the most.

    > She has said all she thinks about is food. So is this what Ni is to you?

    Yes, it's base Ni which just said that likes food a lot. I may relate this to nontypes factors or the lesser sincerity or self-understanding. In nonverbal behavior you have the most complete and correct representation of the personality related to a type, - it's far more meaningful, than what people say in one of clips.
    Also she intrigues me personally more than SEI do. I use IR theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuivienen View Post
    My reaction to this video, time after time, is "Just move on and do something else. We know you are sorry, but cut out the virtue signalling."

    I am cynical about EIE for this reason alone - what confirms it for me is Jeffrey's unawareness of how to engage his audience, and connect with them on a personal level. Look at the ratio of "I" and "me" to "we" and "you". Fe ego types and EIEs in particular are generally very conscious of building intimacy with whoever they are around. Jeffrey also reflects on the past a great deal and shows a clear inability to relate cause and effect, both are typical of types who have Ni in their Id block. He drifts away from the main themes of his video and repeats content regularly.

    I strongly suspect he is an Irrational Ethical type from this style of delivery - most likely an IEE, the Quasi-Identical of an EIE.

    Put it this way. If that guy is an EIE, I sure as hell am not one.
    Oh I don't see myself as similar to him either, but he is Fe leading imo. If not EIE, then ESE. EIE's can be very dissimilar.

    No way these two people are both Fi creatives, totally different style of speaking and focus, not to mention body language:






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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    I place a lot of attractive girls in other types too. I find as attractive most of girls, really.
    Annoying? no. To see IEI girls in video is not annoying for me. Annoying would be try to deal seriously with your type (I tried and it have taken long time to restore).
    "saintly duals" (*sigh*) I saw egocentric EII (think EII, but most typed her other) which is cute and weird in similar degree (if it would be irl, I'd could loose my head and make mistakes). not always I had a pleasure to deal with other EII woman, no romance, she's much older. I also saw not good behavior from EII-man on the forum. So if even to take my own experience, I don't think my duals as saint, while if to add "famouses" (for ex, Dugin is just a hithlerist) the picture is even worse. But they are "sainter" than others, as generally they have what I value the most.

    > She has said all she thinks about is food. So is this what Ni is to you?

    Yes, it's base Ni which just said that likes food a lot. I may relate this to nontypes factors or the lesser sincerity or self-understanding. In nonverbal behavior you have the most complete and correct representation of the personality related to a type, - it's far more meaningful, than what people say in one of clips.
    Also she intrigues me personally more than SEI do. I use IR theory.
    I was just teasing you about your saintly duals.

    I think she is ESE. I watched 5 of her videos last night since I was trying to see what you thought might make her IEI. You really should start listening to what they say, not just watching how they move. Then I checked your IEI list and even those girls in body language, or whatever you use to type, were nothing like this girl. At least some of those girls were more what I would consider ip temperament by their movements and speech. This girl is so in tune with her body that it is amazing. She has always listened to it even as a little kid. She is a a good example of enneagram 7 too I believe.

    This is one of the reasons I cannot do your test and the other is most are in Russian. There is no way to know if you typed them correctly and I don't want to spend 7 hours on it to just confirm that you didn't. I will wait for version 2.0 of your test where you add some more English videos.

    Edit: I guess IEE is also an option with an extreme case of Si seeking. You really should listen to what she is saying. I find her interesting too but not intriguing.
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    EIE (?)

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    Who ride the storm and mock the bow's taut strings,
    Exiled on earth amid a jeering crowd,
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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    Oh I don't see myself as similar to him either, but he is Fe leading imo. If not EIE, then ESE. EIE's can be very dissimilar.

    No way these two people are both Fi creatives, totally different style of speaking and focus, not to mention body language:

    He looks high maintenance, I don't think a SLI would stand to put up with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I think she is ESE. I watched 5 of her videos last night since I was trying to see what you thought might make her IEI. You really should start listening to what they say, not just watching how they move. Then I checked your IEI list and even those girls in body language, or whatever you use to type, were nothing like this girl.
    You may look my ESE and IEI in bloggers list (IR test theme, as the main bloggers list theme was not updated still) and think to which of type group are closer your impressions from her nonverbal behavior. That's how I do, by mostly using impressions from facial expressions. And this is the main way to understand me.

    > This is one of the reasons I cannot do your test and the other is most are in Russian.

    You may do, as you need only nonverbal expressions according to conditions of the test. People of any culture will give you same IR effects by their facial expressions.

    > There is no way to know if you typed them correctly

    The way is to sort them like in recommendations. If you'll get good match of IR theory to your type (IEI) this will prove the examples are good.
    I got partly not bad matches. Even good ones, but in that case the man knew the types of groups. He was very skeptical, have processed all examples (and typed them to other types by two ways (at 1st he made by "own way", then I insisted he did like I said), he's computer admin with good IQ, - and he've gotten excellent IR fit with ILE to where I typed him previously. If you'll follow my recommendations you may get good results too, and then you'll change your opinion about how I type people. ~7 hours in sum this will take, with ~4 min per clip with good seen face and other recommendations

    >I don't want to spend 7 hours on it to just confirm that you didn't.

    or did it's indefinitely still. and there is no better objective way to check it

    > I will wait for version 2.0 of your test where you add some more English videos.

    the language changes nothing in my test, - it would only distract from the main source of info as nonverbal. the possible better future version should to use not bloggers, but normal video-interviews. to make it will take several tens years, or will never be made by me.

    > I find her interesting too but not intriguing.

    people of same type should not intrigue
    you should to have sympathy to her and to find ordinary, understandable as person

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Nope.



    18 minutes of enthusiastic, nonstop talking, and hand movements. Listen to what she is talking about, it will give you more information. She barely took a moment to breath between thoughts and if she did I missed it. This is not in alignment with my understanding of ip temperament and doesn't even match up to the way you type others on this forum IEI.

    I think IEI is your catch all type of girls you either find attractive, annoying or just not good enough to be your saintly dual. This girl is very high energy, on the go type. Even if you use DCNH she does not fit IEI. I know you don't use that though.



    She is very in tune with her body and calls it intuition but it is sensing. Listen to everything she says after 5:35. She has a constant awareness of what is going on in her body. She has said all she thinks about is food. So is this what Ni is to you?
    Good analysis. She strongly emphasizes positivity, mental, as well as physical, well-being, and being happy with where you are right now - not very IEI! I also think she is ESE.

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    > She has said all she thinks about is food. So is this what Ni is to you?

    Yes, it's base Ni which just said that likes food a lot. I may relate this to nontypes factors or the lesser sincerity or self-understanding. In nonverbal behavior you have the most complete and correct representation of the personality related to a type, - it's far more meaningful, than what people say in one of clips.
    Also she intrigues me personally more than SEI do. I use IR theory.
    I'm just quoting this for posterity in case anyone recommends taking you seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I'm just quoting this for posterity in case anyone recommends taking you seriously.
    I really appreciate your try to add more sense and correctness in your messages by adding my quotations.
    I'm sure such your messages will be taken more seriously as having more useful.
    Keep doing this, dude. The best would be if you'll create a topic with my quotations. But I understand, I want too much of your efforts.

    Only one wish. Add, please, a link to my original messages near quotations. So people could to see the context, as they need a full chance to understand my text a little more adequate than you.

    Taking into account your special mental abbilities, I think a comment is needed for try to overcome them.
    "Yes, it's base Ni" - was said that it's a human with base Ni type.
    "which just said that likes food a lot" - yep, a human just said something. What does not mean it's such indeed, has a real high degree, is more common than average for N types, etc. Just words in some of places, which proof almost nothing and mean a few compared to general impressions from nonverbal behavior.
    "I may relate this to nontypes factors or the lesser sincerity or self-understanding." - There are different factors besides types which affect on a behavior. I understand that to take this sentence seriously is too much for you.
    "In nonverbal behavior you have the most complete and correct representation of the personality related to a type, - it's far more meaningful, than what people say in one of clips." -
    Yep, general behavior (nonverbal here) is far more meaningful than one or several phrases in one of clips which may be not true, not full true, to have not enough data for sure typing, to be incorrectly interpretated and such to mislead (like it happend with you, for example). And yep, I trust more to method of intuitive impressions from nonverbal behavior than to "speculative interpretation of doubtful words which people have said somewhere" - when I get mismatch between methods, I with more chance will stay on nonverbal side and may reduce the confidence in the type's version. I never hided what is my main method, but seems it has become an opening for you recently.
    "Also she intrigues me personally more than SEI do. I use IR theory." - Yes. I'm taking into account IR theory with myself as it's part of classical theory. I understand that for you such baseless nonsense as Reinin's dichotomies or Gulenko's subtypes may to be infinetly more important than classical theory. I'm sure you even type without taking into account nonverbal behavior, despite it was described as meaningful from the beginning and hence it's classical method (unlike Reinin's bs and much of other newer baseless fantasies you should to take seriously, like other "serious" persons on this forum). I even did an cross-match typing experiment on socioforum in 2015 which have given an objective proof that nonverbal info can be used not worse, than ankets - as I got up to 20% of average typing match by this, what is close to results of SRT-99 with 17% typing match in irl interview and experiments of socioforum with ankets. You may easily find that my theme in experiments section of socioforum, but I'm sure you as "serious" dude even did not read my results and how they were taken.

    P.S. As a bonus to show how serious this bush may to be: "I haven't thought about your type in a while, but my impression was EII. I'm not 100% sure though, SEI is plausible too." EII and SEI seems like rather close types in his perception. The Force of Reinin's dichotomies may be felt in his words.
    Also serious bush prefers to type with his serious assurance by only a short lame questionnaire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    I really appreciate your try to add more sense and correctness in your messages by adding my quotations.
    I'm sure such your messages will be taken more seriously as having more useful.
    Keep doing this, dude. The best would be if you'll create a topic with my quotations. But I understand, I want too much of your efforts.

    Only one wish. Add, please, a link to my original messages near quotations. So people could to see the context, as they need a full chance to understand my text a little more adequate than you.

    Taking into account your special mental abbilities, I think a comment is needed for try to overcome them.
    "Yes, it's base Ni" - was said that it's a human with base Ni type.
    "which just said that likes food a lot" - yep, a human just said something. What does not mean it's such indeed, has a real high degree, is more common than average for N types, etc. Just words in some of places, which proof almost nothing and mean a few compared to general impressions from nonverbal behavior.
    "I may relate this to nontypes factors or the lesser sincerity or self-understanding." - There are different factors besides types which affect on a behavior. I understand that to take this sentence seriously is too much for you.
    "In nonverbal behavior you have the most complete and correct representation of the personality related to a type, - it's far more meaningful, than what people say in one of clips." -
    Yep, general behavior (nonverbal here) is far more meaningful than one or several phrases in one of clips which may be not true, not full true, to have not enough data for sure typing, to be incorrectly interpretated and such to mislead (like it happend with you, for example). And yep, I trust more to method of intuitive impressions from nonverbal behavior than to "speculative interpretation of doubtful words which people have said somewhere" - when I get mismatch between methods, I with more chance will stay on nonverbal side and may reduce the confidence in the type's version. I never hided what is my main method, but seems it has become an opening for you recently.
    "Also she intrigues me personally more than SEI do. I use IR theory." - Yes. I'm taking into account IR theory with myself as it's part of classical theory. I understand that for you such baseless nonsense as Reinin's dichotomies or Gulenko's subtypes may to be infinetly more important than classical theory. I'm sure you even type without taking into account nonverbal behavior, despite it was described as meaningful from the beginning and hence it's classical method (unlike Reinin's bs and much of other newer baseless fantasies you should to take seriously, like other "serious" persons on this forum). I even did an cross-match typing experiment on socioforum in 2015 which have given an objective proof that nonverbal info can be used not worse, than ankets - as I got up to 20% of average typing match by this, what is close to results of SRT-99 with 17% typing match in irl interview and experiments of socioforum with ankets. You may easily find that my theme in experiments section of socioforum, but I'm sure you as "serious" dude even did not read my results and how they were taken.

    P.S. As a bonus to show how serious this bush may to be: "I haven't thought about your type in a while, but my impression was EII. I'm not 100% sure though, SEI is plausible too." EII and SEI seems like rather close types in his perception. The Force of Reinin's dichotomies may be felt in his words.
    Also serious bush prefers to type with his serious assurance by only a short lame questionnaire.
    It never cease to amaze me how accurate the below quote really is:


    PS Sol has put me in the ignore list (or that's what he said will do) so I'd appreciate it if someone could quote this post so he can see it as I don't like talking about someone behind his back (the poor little @Sol feels threatened by his supervisor as it seems)

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    IEI-Fe > EIE-Ni
    Nothing Ej About her, very Ip-ish in her demeanor. She is either IEI-D or IEI-C in DCNH. What is your opinion @Aylen ? I think she married her Dual an SLE-Ti. Can post more pics of them as a couple if needed. Relate to her a lot somehow.. dunno. Out of the three possible enneagram types (4, 6, 9) I would also say she is 4w3, a very success oriented woman.

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    Devon Aoki - mb ISFP

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    I dont have anything to say about that girls type, but I agree that just because someone says something and appears somehow, doesnt mean its true. For example, this girl is SP last (I haven't decided on whether so/sx or sx/so yet) and she appears to care alot about food and she makes videos about what she eats.


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    The guy in this commercial reminds me of betas I know lol.

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    Gail Dines - Most badass marxist contraflow SLE. Justice Fighter tritype. I find her remarkable in terms of courage and clear sight.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    Lots of LSI's have this laugh
    Laughter typing? That's new! What more insights do you have?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Laughter typing? That's new! What more insights do you have?
    well, it is obvious. Her laughter is obviously awkward but provides comedic relief. Hence suggestive.
    My 2000 page book on laugh typing should be available in near future (as in the age of the universe).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    well, it is obvious. Her laughter is obviously awkward but provides comedic relief. Hence suggestive.
    My 2000 page book on laugh typing should be available in near future (as in the age of the universe).
    Ok - and I will write the counter-book. Which types people by the way they sneeze. It's a science! Silent sneezes are suggestive to . Uncontrolled sneezes suggestive to . And! Boring sneezes likely pertain to SxI types. What has to be taken with a grain of salt is that coughing can interfere with that, it distorts the typing accuracy. Most coughers are SEE anyways, or ILEs smoking too much.


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    Here we have a Hamlet, Fe subtype - Park Chanyeol who's a singer, actor, and rapper. Social/sexual 7w6 I think.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    Devon Aoki - mb ISFP
    If she is not IEI then she could be ESI.. but not so sure about her beign an aggressor.. hmm introvert and ethical for sure plus decisive quadra makes sense somehow..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaviTilki View Post
    she could be ESI..
    I perceive ESI girls better. SEI is far more possible

    > plus decisive quadra makes sense somehow..

    Reinin's dichotomies are bs

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    David Goggins - Ti-ISTj so/sx (the 'darksider' sx subtype) - feel the Ij determination lol





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    The White Rose - cute girl, mb Fi

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    @Sol I get that you have some kind of "intuitive framework" meaning some types kind of fit into their own intuitive pocket or whatever, but I think those pockets seldom fit what the type is supposed to be. You may be percieving something else.

    Also, you've said you follow Jungs types, which is completely false because if you knew Jung you would know extroverted sensing=/= force, in Jungs types. For example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniac View Post
    I get that you have some kind of "intuitive framework" meaning some types kind of fit into their own intuitive pocket or whatever, but I think those pockets seldom fit what the type is supposed to be. You may be percieving something else.
    Speculative "pockets" have any today methods. I may mistake sometimes (~10%), but the method I'm using "intuitive impressions from nonverbal behavior" I checked experimentally to give similar and not worser typing match than irl interview experiment SRT-99 and experiment with ankets on socioforum. It gives similar average typing match up to ~20% and pairing matches up to 30-40%. I train to use this method for more than 10 years and checked its results on people irl by watching their traits and behavior.

    > if you knew Jung you would know extroverted sensing=/= force, in Jungs types

    Socionics is using Jung's types. What Socionics has with functions does not controverts to Jung, but expands it.
    Se = surface perception of material objects. This means also their importance, and hence the wish to control and to have them. Such you'll get the interest of Se types to power, money, etc. and force as the rough Se method to manipulate by objects. While "will" you'll get as your body is also an object to control by you, besides will to control bodies of other people.

    Does Enneagram have analogue to Socionics IR theory? What Enneagram types fit best for marriage to №1 there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post

    Gennadiy Hazanov - ENFJ



    Speculative "pockets" have any today methods. I may mistake sometimes (~10%), but the method I'm using "intuitive impressions from nonverbal behavior" I checked experimentally to give similar and not worser typing match than irl interview experiment SRT-99 and experiment with ankets on socioforum. It gives similar average typing match up to ~20% and pairing matches up to 30-40%. I train to use this method for more than 10 years and checked its results on people irl by watching their traits and behavior.

    > if you knew Jung you would know extroverted sensing=/= force, in Jungs types

    Socionics is using Jung's types. What Socionics has with functions does not controverts to Jung, but expands it.
    Se = surface perception of material objects. This means also their importance, and hence the wish to control and to have them. Such you'll get the interest of Se types to power, money, etc. and force as the rough Se method to manipulate by objects. While "will" you'll get as your body is also an object to control by you, besides will to control bodies of other people.

    Does Enneagram have analogue to Socionics IR theory? What Enneagram types fit best for marriage to №1 there?
    Jung's extroverted intuition is more your version of Se - opportunist, antisocial, etc:

    Consideration for the welfare of his neighbours is weak. No solid argument hinges upon their well-being any more than upon his own. Neither can we detect in him any great respect for his neighbour's convictions and customs; in fact, he is not infrequently put down as an immoral and ruthless adventurer. Since his intuition is largely concerned with outer objects, scenting out external possibilities, he readily applies himself to callings wherein he may expand his abilities in many directions. Merchants, contractors, speculators, agents, politicians, etc., commonly belong to this type.
    You commonly type people who are Ne leads goofy, gentle, harmless, fun, cares about everyone, "good morals" as you would say (e.g. Pewdiepie).

    And introverted sensing is more fantasy, fairytale-like, conflict-avoidant. I have not seen you type any conflict-avoidant person as Si leading.

    This is the case, for instance, when an individual is a creative artist. But since this is the exception, the introvert's characteristic difficulty in expressing himself also conceals his irrationality. On the contrary, he may be conspicuous for his calmness and passivity, or for his rational self-control. This peculiarity, which often leads a superficial judgment astray, is really due to his unrelatedness to objects. Normally the object is not consciously devalued in the least, but its stimulus is removed from it and immediately replaced by a subjective reaction no longer related to the reality of the object. This naturally has the same effect as devaluation. Such a type can easily make one question why one should exist at all, or why objects in general should have any justification for their existence since everything essential still goes on happening without them. This doubt may be justified in extreme cases, but not in the normal, since the objective stimulus is absolutely necessary to sensation and merely produces something different from what the external situation might lead one to expect.


    Regarding enneagram compatability the thing I can think of is the instinctual variants. It's important that you value the same, I guess.

    The three Instinctual Variants (a.k.a. the Instincts) work in conjunction with a person’s Enneagram type, and weigh roughly equal to Type in terms of influence exerted on the personality. Each of us is subject to a hierarchy of Instincts as they’re stacked in order of predominance (i.e.- the stackings, of which there are six possible combinations in total). The predominant Instinct (the highest or first in the stacking) makes up the majority volume of a flux coursing through the Type’s infrastructure, animating and augmenting our type’s fixation.

    Discerning the Instincts as they move and operate in us (and others) is often less simple than recognizing one’s Enneagram type, partly due to the Instincts’ nature as perpetual flux…in contrast to the relatively more static quality of the Enneagram type structures. As alluded to above, the relationship between Type and the Instincts is something analogous to a house (our Enneagram type) with a characteristic energy current (the Instincts) whooshing through its duct-work. So, to be discerning the Instincts at play is to be observing the Type fixation in operation as well, and vice versa.
    (Self-preservation): This Instinct’s “eye” habitually lands on the various conditions of the physical self — ‘me’. Concerns here include shelter, food, attention on one’s own health and finances. And the immediate conditions of the tactile environment (hot/cold, light/dark, dry/humid, clean/dirty, quiet/loud, etc), which, for some people, can translate to prominent perceptions about the emotional charge or tone of a given space, the intangibles of a setting: inviting/disturbing, familiar/haunting, enticing/disquieting. SP-dominant people are often those who put much attention into the principles animating their overall day-to-day way-of-life. On some level, there’s a tendency to unconsciously monitor their gauges closely, referencing back into themselves, weighing how much energy or time or money is being expended in any given action/process or interaction with others. “How much time and energy is this interaction, right now, worth to me?” Much value can also be placed on cultivating resources – money, tools (of all kinds), time, practical know-how, material provisions and objects of various kinds for various purposes, etc. – stockpiling for future expenditure in service of survival and/or comfort. Particular worth is placed on ‘getting things done’ and building or acquiring things that will last. The majority of the World’s population is SP-dominant, also referred to as SP-first to indicate the highest totem in the Instinctual stacking. This overall global predominance of SP is one reason we see the general public so easily swung around on the end of a stick by news of natural disasters and imploding financial markets.
    (Sexual): Besides the hunger for sex itself, this is the ‘need for heat’, the hunt for ‘electrical juice’, risky excitement and fevered decadence as a narcotic, pushing the envelope, the edge, seeking that peak something, simultaneously exposing oneself to total self-destruction. Also, ‘the World as a mating dance’, the compulsion to broadcast beautiful attractive ‘colors’, casting a net (or a pheromone) out for that special someone to complete an electrical circuit, a nose for the individualized scent of the soul we long to burn our imprint into, and they into ours. Chemistry, not intimacy. Involuntary attraction and repulsion. Archetypally, this Instinct rules the alchemical processes, transformation/transmogrification, base metals into gold, phoenix rising from the ashes, the wild-eyed shaman whirling in fire and blood and radical rebirth. Some authors have sought to tame this Instinct with new names, such as Intimate or one-to-one, but any attempt at reworking the Instinct into something wholesome/spiritual/romantic misses the mark: the Sexual Instinct is raw unbridled wanting, untethered by ethics/morality. Recklessness. A live wire longing to burn…and be burned to death. The classical image of Eros’s arrow (erotic attraction) shot through the heart accurately alludes to the danger here: potential ruin and destruction under the guise of Love.
    (Social): Here, the eye lands on the health of the collective, building mutual support, being for someone or some group, affiliating, co-creating, participating, contributing, involvement. Bonding and relationship-building belong in this category, not with the Sexual Instinct. Social gives us the ‘intelligence’ to read people and respond to them, adapt to them, communicate and interpret subtleties. All language, words, verbal exchanges fall under the purview of this Instinct. SO can go low though: It sparks the response that burns witches at the stake, exterminates populations that are deemed ‘diseased vermin’ or those that are lesser/lower in some way… or can also put an undue amount of attention into status, rank, respectability, pedigree, reputation, strata, provenance. Otherwise, wholesome cleanliness and the ‘white light’ Apollonian themes of order, law, history, medicine, higher education, government, lofty eternal principles and ideologies get their first push and continued attention from the Social Instinct. According to evolutionary biology, this Instinct is the latest to have emerged, perhaps the ‘more advanced and complex’ Instinct, i.e.- the stuff that animates our impulse toward the Humanities, altruistic vision, goodwill, the ‘higher good’, the conceptual space of civilization and religion. Social is the bodily sensation of not being a closed circuit. Perhaps the bridge or link between instinct and the wider-view emotions that inspire animals to care for their young; this is the parenting instinct. The connection to history and participation in the collective human journey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniac View Post
    Jung's extroverted intuition is more your version of Se - opportunist, antisocial, etc
    Jung's functions are same in their essence as in Socionics. That you may see the difference in Jung's own _expanded_ their interpretion not makes them other. Jung was a man and could mistake in such secondary things. Like he mistaked even in own type thinking it LII, not ILI.
    To say Jung's functions and hence types are other than in Socionics is baseless heresy. Except MBT liers who mislead about Jung's model and are interested in misleading about competing Socionics no one will support this. No serious socionist will make assertion like yours, as it's evidently wrong.
    My examples have good correctness, as are based on classical Socionics theory, including IR which not many ones use seriously. The theory which does not contradicts to essense of Jung's types. And I don't see significant arguments against this.

    The best you or any other may do to check the quality of my typings is to give me your video, to get your type and then to look at my examples to notice impressions which should fit IR theory. This fitting may happen not in 2 minutes and 2 clips, but it will anyway, as most my examples work on me.
    The video you may place in typing theme (under other account) of "What's my type" subsection or to send it by PM.

    My actor's list is significantly outdated and needs update. Blogger's list is "fresh" and may be used.

    > Regarding enneagram compatability the thing I can think of is the instinctual variants.

    I suspect Enneagram may to have own IR theory for those numbered types. Instinctual variants is something other. For example, the type which would fit best to N1 is social oriented + very kind and people caring - for not only to support improvements, but to balance cruelty of reformers and make them wiser. The quantity of Enneagram types should be even to make this. For types which has no balancing ones may be created new types. You may think and offer Enneagram+ variation with other number of types and with IR analogue. Thanks.

    I suppose the main in the situation we have figured out and may finish here.

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    Disturbing information to say the least. Another brick in why I can't wait to leave the city - so many degenerates.

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