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    List each temperament (EJ, EP, IJ, IP) in order of likelihood, starting with the temperament you most likely are and ending with the temperament that is least likely.
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    For me, the only temperament that I've never seriously considered for myself is IJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    List each temperament (EJ, EP, IJ, IP) in order of likelihood, starting with the temperament you most likely are and ending with the temperament that is least likely.
    IP
    IJ
    EP
    EJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    List each temperament (EJ, EP, IJ, IP) in order of likelihood, starting with the temperament you most likely are and ending with the temperament that is least likely.
    IJ EJ IP EP

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    Ep, Ip, Ej, Ij
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    Normally, besides his temperament, one should identify more with his contrary temperament (contrary pairs are Ij-Ej and Ep-Ip), because it reflects the behaviour one is likely to have, under stress.

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    Ij Ip Ep Ej
    Intuition

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    Okay, here's my theory:

    E(x)xj: EJ, EP or IP, IJ
    Ex(x)j: EJ, EP or IJ, IP

    E(x)xp: EP, EJ or IP, IJ
    Ex(x)p: EP, EJ or IJ, IP

    I(x)xj: IJ, IP or EP, EJ
    Ix(x)j: IJ, IP or EJ, EP

    I(x)xp: IP, IJ or EP, EJ
    Ix(x)p: IP, IJ or EJ, EP
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    I'm clearly an Ne sub so that goes just right for me, at least. I even considered whether to put Ip or Ep second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
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    hey, that's cool.

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    using this article that kristiina posted, IP, EP, EJ, IJ, i think. sometimes IJ sounds really good, but there are a lot of things that just don't line up with that. but i tend to think my behavior is more consistent than it actually is. if you put me next to an ISTj and observe us for years, it becomes clear who is more consistent in behavior.
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    IP, EJ, IJ, EP

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    IP, IJ, EX. neither EP nor EJ makes any sense whatsoever, although gun to my head i would probably go EP and EJ.

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    EP-EJ equally, not a sign of IP IJ, but if I had to choose I'd say IP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jas05
    I'm clearly an Ne sub so that goes just right for me, at least. I even considered whether to put Ip or Ep second.
    Ditto.

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    Ij, Ip, Ep, Ej

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    EJ, IJ, EP, IP.
    EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
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    Ij, Ep, Ip, Ej for me - I find it difficult to choose between Ij and Ep though. Sports wise I'm probably Ip, Ij, Ej, Ep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean
    I find it difficult to choose between Ij and Ep though.
    That is impossible. It should be very easy to choose between two opposite temperaments.

    2. EP – Extroverted irrational (flexible-laid back temperament)

    Energy exchange. Highly dependant on external information. They are calm when there is no need to use energy, but they switch on with full power when they need to be active. It’s very difficult for them to keep energy expansion at a high level for a longer period of time. In order to have flexible-laid back temperament, people have to be able to do many activities at the same time. (For example J.Caesar, who was able to read, write and talk at the same time)

    Emotions and behavior. The main trait of this temperament is the rapid changes in mood and status. This is how they differ from EJ. They can’t stand routine and predictability. Emotions seem as unexpected flashes in their generally relaxed mood. In a moment rage can turn into indifference. Note that their emotions depend on the external changes, not on the inner psychological reasons. Their behavior is very hard to analyze because it doesn’t follow any linear rules. Instead their behavior resembles a broken curve, because they try to get everything done at the same time. They give an impulse to one activity, continue doing the next activity, etc. (they keep switching between various activities). This is the only way they can get things done and it enables them to achieve a lot more than any other method.


    3. IJ – Introverted rational (balanced-stable temperament)

    Energy exchange. They always try to conserve energy and keep it for activities that are objectively necessary. They are afraid of excess activity and non-productive exhaustion of their strength. These are the most energy-saving and sensible people. They look restrained and calm and they distance themselves from the meaningless things that happen around them. They are meticulous, and they dislike doing anything differently from the usual pattern. They are very static and inert, but also very steady and they always finish what they started. They can not adapt in rapidly changing and extreme situations. They quickly lose their working capacity and they get ill very often.

    Emotions and behavior. At first glance, they seem to have no emotions at all because they are just so good at controlling their emotions. Actually they are just waiting for the right moment to let the emotions out to the right people. They can hold on to emotions for a very long time, which is what makes them the most likely to have accumulated stress. This means that they can get stress because they have been gathering emotions, but haven’t been expressing them. They might have random emotional outbursts. The rage of an IJ type is very scary, because he can collect insults for months or even for years. Their behavior is very consistent and predictable. Their actions don’t depend on the changes in the environment, they have their own rigid firm moral and practical norms. When there are conflicts between their norms and the reality, they get nervous and they start bottling up bad emotions. They need activities that amuse/entertain them and give them emotional and physical relaxation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus
    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean
    I find it difficult to choose between Ij and Ep though.
    That is impossible. It should be very easy to choose between two opposite temperaments.
    It's not impossible because he does find it difficult. Things that are in a certain way are NOT impossible since they are like that, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus
    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean
    I find it difficult to choose between Ij and Ep though.
    That is impossible. It should be very easy to choose between two opposite temperaments.

    2. EP – Extroverted irrational (flexible-laid back temperament)

    Emotions seem as unexpected flashes in their generally relaxed mood. In a moment rage can turn into indifference. Note that their emotions depend on the external changes, not on the inner psychological reasons.

    3. IJ – Introverted rational (balanced-stable temperament)

    At first glance, they seem to have no emotions at all because they are just so good at controlling their emotions. Actually they are just waiting for the right moment to let the emotions out to the right people. They can hold on to emotions for a very long time, which is what makes them the most likely to have accumulated stress. This means that they can get stress because they have been gathering emotions, but haven’t been expressing them. They might have random emotional outbursts.
    e.g. I don't think these two parts are mutually exclusive - they could both be true for me.
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    I think I'm definitely Ep. What would be the second moodiest temperment? Ip? I guess that would be second. Ij would be last.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus
    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean
    I find it difficult to choose between Ij and Ep though.
    That is impossible. It should be very easy to choose between two opposite temperaments.
    not impossible, Ij and Ep are both statics
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    I was having a hard time choosing between two opposites as well. And why must they talk about sports?
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    A ESFp with those Ep characteristics would be extremely irritating to me, but a ENTp would make more sense - I know I act in a Ep manner at times (like quite a lot).
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    I read of Pavlov's description for temperaments :

    Ej : Strong, balanced, mobile
    Ij : Strong, balanced, inert
    Ep : Strong, not balanced
    Ip : Weak

    That's quite graphic, isn't that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Okay, here's my theory:
    Ix(x)p: IP, IJ or EJ, EP
    Proves correct for me.

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    IP and IJ (depending on which way the wind blows)
    EP
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    EP
    IP due to perceiving base, but not dynamic (which of course cuts out IP)
    IJ when stressed/pissy
    can't even imagine EJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isha
    Well uh...

    EJ, now that I think of it... followed by IP/IJ, EP.

    Not that I'm changing my type or anything, but over the past 2 months my behaviour has been consistently on the EJ side. Not sure why. Are IPs supposed to act like EJs when they're happy and motivated? *shrug*
    A depressed EJ can act IP, so I'd imagine that a happy and motivated IP could act EJ for a period of time. I've also seen IJs act very EP when they're under a lot of stress.
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    Whichever you behave like when your brain chemistry is balanced and you're physically well.
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    I think there's a notable difference in the positivist vs. negative dichotomy between ENTjs and INTps. Also, if someone's been with or dated or been friends with both Se dominants and Fi dominants it would be helpful in pointing them in the right direction.
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    Ep, Ip, Ij, Ej

    I feel like I may be more Ej than Ij in reality, but I have a strange aversion to the Ej temperment. I have Ej friends, at least one of each, and we get along fine in social situations and normal group activity, but when it comes to being productive, the shit pretty much always hits the fan. There's always a power struggle: the struggle itself is most disasterous with LSEs, but I feel much more tension overall with LIEs, despite the fact that we usually arrive at a conclusion or compromise sooner. With either one, the only way it ends up working well is if one person is in control and the other is taking orders. I have issues with retentive EIEs and ESEs (like everyone, I'm guessing), but I can almost always cooperate with the more laid-back ones easily (producing subtypes, usually). The higher-strung ones (Fe subs) are usually more (lower-case "o") obstinate, but once they're on board, they can really put life into group work and help things run smoothly.

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    Ep, Ip, Ij, Ej
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    In order of decreasing frequency:

    1)EJ when healthy and feeling well and knowing what to do
    2)IP when depressed and IJ when -- very secure in a static situation?
    3)EP when freaking out
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    In order of decreasing frequency:

    1)EJ when healthy and feeling well and knowing what to do
    2)IP when depressed and IJ when -- very secure in a static situation?
    3)EP when freaking out
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    EP, EJ, IP, IJ

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    EP, EJ, IP, IJ

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