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    Let's type Luffy as well as Zoro and Nami and, I suppose, Usopp. I'm only 10 or so episodes in myself, so no spoilers please.
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    ummm

    Luffy: very Naruto-esque, yet doesn't seem Se dominant so far. I'm going to go with ISFj at this point.
    Nami: ENTj perhaps? most likely a Gamma or Beta extrovert in any case
    Zoro: fucking hot
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    Nobody watches One Piece?
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    dun like it
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    I didn't like it when I caught a few episodes of it on TV, but you know what I say about anime... you have to see it in sequence. And watch it subbed.
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    Don't like it.
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    One Piece is excellent. If you don't like it you deserve to be shot in the face--especially if saying that after only seeing the dubbed version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    One Piece is excellent. If you don't like it you deserve to be shot in the face--especially if saying that after only seeing the dubbed version.
    Not only episode. It's just my preference. Though I don't mind being shot in the face. ROFL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mea
    Though I don't mind being shot in the face.
    ummm.....

    yeah

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    One Piece is excellent. If you don't like it you deserve to be shot in the face--especially if saying that after only seeing the dubbed version.




    ive only seen commercials....it just looked stupid.


    oh wait...that was another retarded cartoon network show...

    revised: i know nothing about this show plz dont shoot me in the face pleeeeeeeassee
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    i never get to watch anime anyways

    id like to watch avatar, all episodes

    and naruto for that matter

    god damnit >:[
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat
    Quote Originally Posted by Mea
    Though I don't mind being shot in the face.
    ummm.....

    yeah
    Why not? I just die. I won't get shot in the face and get up to look at the mirror right.

    Well, I was kinda drunk when I said that anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clover
    dun like it
    *pulls trigger*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clover
    i never get to watch anime anyways

    id like to watch avatar, all episodes

    and naruto for that matter

    god damnit >:[
    There's an invention that could help you with that. It's called a computer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    Quote Originally Posted by Clover
    dun like it
    *pulls trigger*

    you missed, because it wasn't justified seeing as i revised my statement.

    joy, lol but dont you need to use that torrent thing...which no one has bothered to explain to me...which seems time consuming....?



    and i have seen an episode, like 1 1/2 years ago? is that possible, lol. and ive seen that video <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clover
    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    Quote Originally Posted by Clover
    dun like it
    *pulls trigger*

    you missed, because it wasn't justified seeing as i revised my statement.

    joy, lol but dont you need to use that torrent thing...which no one has bothered to explain to me...which seems time consuming....?



    and i have seen an episode, like 1 1/2 years ago? is that possible, lol. and ive seen that video <3
    What a nonsensical post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    Quote Originally Posted by Clover
    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe
    Quote Originally Posted by Clover
    dun like it
    *pulls trigger*

    you missed, because it wasn't justified seeing as i revised my statement.

    joy, lol but dont you need to use that torrent thing...which no one has bothered to explain to me...which seems time consuming....?



    and i have seen an episode, like 1 1/2 years ago? is that possible, lol. and ive seen that video <3
    What a nonsensical post.

    It all makes perfect sense to me..........


    ....you tried to shoot me so I said you missed, because I took back the statement about not liking it. So the shooting was undeserved and I am protected by powers of justice that no one else knows about.

    Then I addressed Joy about downloading torrents and such, but I don't know what I'm talking about so it looks gay.

    And last, I just said I watched at least one episode a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clover
    joy, lol but dont you need to use that torrent thing...which no one has bothered to explain to me...which seems time consuming....?
    There's a way of seeing subbed anime in sequence without using torrents to download them? That's the coolest thing I've heard in a really long time! How do you do it?
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    Who else watches One Piece?

    Luffy: SEE
    Zoro: SLI
    Nami: LIE
    Sanji: ESI
    Usopp: IEE
    Tony Tony Chopper: IEI
    Robin: ILI

    There are a number of side characters that could be typed as well. We're only around episode 200 or so atm.
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    lol

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    is that like Scooby Doo?

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    Ace: I dunno, SEE? maybe SLE? Too soon to tell.
    Smoker: SLI
    Don Krieg: SLE
    Vivi: IEI?
    Buggy the Clown: EIE
    Crocodile: SLE
    Arlong: SLE
    Curo: LII
    Enel: SLE

    Notice the pattern?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Ace: I dunno, SEE? maybe SLE? Too soon to tell.
    Smoker: SLI
    Don Krieg: SLE
    Vivi: IEI?
    Buggy the Clown: EIE
    Crocodile: SLE
    Arlong: SLE
    Curo: LII
    Enel: SLE

    Notice the pattern?
    A dominance of leading Sensors?
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    wherever I go and all I see,
    the world looks full of sensors to me!

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    Almost all of the heroes are Gamma, some Delta and Beta. Almost all of the main villains are Beta extroverts (especially SLE), some Alpha.

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    Suggest ESTj for Sanji. ENTp for Usopp.

    In manga. Might differ in anime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
    Beta extrovert, generally ESTp antagonists.

    Suggest ESTj for Sanji. ENTp for Usopp.

    In manga. Might differ in anime.

    Good typings, Joy.
    You read One Piece?

    ENTp was my first choice for Usopp, but as the show goes on ENFp has started seeming more likely. (I just don't see the Ti, but I could be wrong.)

    ESTj for Sanji... hmmmmm... ISFj doesn't fit perfectly as he's way too <3 <3 <3 and whatnot, but I dunno, somehow ESTj seems even further off. I'll have to think about that.

    Neither of those characters seems to fit any type perfectly, but the rest of the main characters definitely do.

    What type do you think Ace is? (no spoilers please)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Almost all of the heroes are Gamma, some Delta and Beta. Almost all of the main villains are Beta extroverts (especially SLE), some Alpha.
    That is not too much of a surprise. Most people create threads in which they hope that what they type belongs to their quadra. And you are Gamma and you enjoy One Piece, so it should be expected that these characters would most likely be Gamma or at least typed by a Gamma as Gamma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Almost all of the heroes are Gamma, some Delta and Beta. Almost all of the main villains are Beta extroverts (especially SLE), some Alpha.
    That is not too much of a surprise. Most people create threads in which they hope that what they type belongs to their quadra. And you are Gamma and you enjoy One Piece, so it should be expected that these characters would most likely be Gamma or at least typed by a Gamma as Gamma.
    Yeah, I think it's mostly a matter of my liking the show, probably largely due to its being so Gamma in nature. (Except for Usopp, Sanji, and Tony Tony Chopper, the types are the main characters seem very clear.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Almost all of the heroes are Gamma, some Delta and Beta. Almost all of the main villains are Beta extroverts (especially SLE), some Alpha.
    That is not too much of a surprise. Most people create threads in which they hope that what they type belongs to their quadra. And you are Gamma and you enjoy One Piece, so it should be expected that these characters would most likely be Gamma or at least typed by a Gamma as Gamma.
    Yeah, I think it's mostly a matter of my liking the show, probably largely due to its being so Gamma in nature. (Except for Usopp, Sanji, and Tony Tony Chopper, the types are the main characters seem very clear.)
    I am not questioning you, but I am just curious as to why you think that it is Gamma in nature?
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    Because some of the main characters are so Gamma, particularly Luffy and Nami.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Almost all of the heroes are Gamma, some Delta and Beta. Almost all of the main villains are Beta extroverts (especially SLE), some Alpha.
    That is not too much of a surprise. Most people create threads in which they hope that what they type belongs to their quadra. And you are Gamma and you enjoy One Piece, so it should be expected that these characters would most likely be Gamma or at least typed by a Gamma as Gamma.
    What's your point in pointing out the obvious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Almost all of the heroes are Gamma, some Delta and Beta. Almost all of the main villains are Beta extroverts (especially SLE), some Alpha.
    That is not too much of a surprise. Most people create threads in which they hope that what they type belongs to their quadra. And you are Gamma and you enjoy One Piece, so it should be expected that these characters would most likely be Gamma or at least typed by a Gamma as Gamma.
    What's your point in pointing out the obvious?
    About the same as you questioning what should be obvious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Because some of the main characters are so Gamma, particularly Luffy and Nami.
    Okay, but that does not help me much in terms of understanding how the show is Gamma in nature. What Gamma quadra themes are particularly prevalent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy

    You read One Piece?
    I don't have a tv. I need something to occupy my mind when I want to unwind. I chose comics. I've got about hmm.... eight or nine shelves full of comics and manga. My avatar name is after a comic book character u know... These days I've pretty much bought anything of any interest the local shops have and check their new items section semi-regularly. But one piece is the most child-oriented series that I've touched. I still prefer dc and vertigo labels, and adult manga. There's just too few good adult labels being translated so I'm forced to diversify.

    ...

    I'm just full of little surprises.

    ...

    I tend to think of Usopp more as pure Ne. I feel his aspiration to become a warrior of the sea is the main sign of his Ti. Maybe a bit of it also in his battle tactics. Cunning.

    I think the ESTj-Te is the classical awkward gentleman archetype. We tend to attempt to serve and serve likable individuals in particular without any expectation of return. Keeps us emotionally stable. ISFj seems one of the better alternatives but ISFj is 'result', they don't tend to get in over their head in things, they're rather quite guarded. Also I feel mirror relations work to explain the sanji-zolo conflict/cooperation.

    I don't know who Ace is. You're farther on the series than I am. ...
    Within the space of those three dots I read the wikipedia article since I don't care about spoilers, but it didn't really give me much. At this point I'd guess ESTp but the indications within the article were very very weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Okay, but that does not help me much in terms of understanding how the show is Gamma in nature. What Gamma quadra themes are particularly prevalent?
    Willingness to endure severe hardship for ethical reasons and the capability to nevertheless have fun. The series adores strength, power, endurance and winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smilingeyes
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Okay, but that does not help me much in terms of understanding how the show is Gamma in nature. What Gamma quadra themes are particularly prevalent?
    Willingness to endure severe hardship for ethical reasons and the capability to nevertheless have fun. The series adores strength, power, endurance and winning.
    That, and...

    Everyone's got a goal or dream (largely centered around becoming very strong), something they're very giving up all of their comfort and security in order to attain. The differences between Luffy and his foes center around their desire for hierarchal power over relationships and acceptance of "the way the world works" in order to get to the top of a system they perceive to be in place. They criticize his willingness to risk so much for an "unrealistic" dream or for his namaka. He insists that they're idiots for not seeing the value of personal relationships over hierarchal structures. Their playful interactions are Se rather than Ne or Fe. Cultural traditions, rules, and social status are totally unvalued. And they overturn organized crime or corrupt governments pretty much everywhere they go.

    I tend to think of Usopp more as pure Ne. I feel his aspiration to become a warrior of the sea is the main sign of his Ti.
    I also see Usopp as pure Ne, but I think of his desire to become a great warrior of the sea as having more to do with his Se role in a world which strongly values Se. I've also thought that he seems to have stronger Fe than anyone on the ship, but I don't think it's valued.


    Oh yeah, I think Bellemere may have been SLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    That, and...

    Everyone's got a goal or dream (largely centered around becoming very strong), something they're very giving up all of their comfort and security in order to attain.
    Okay, I can see that.

    The differences between Luffy and his foes center around their desire for hierarchal power over relationships and acceptance of "the way the world works" in order to get to the top of a system they perceive to be in place.
    They criticize his willingness to risk so much for an "unrealistic" dream or for his namaka.
    Funny, I've heard as much from Gammas about Alphas.

    He insists that they're idiots for not seeing the value of personal relationships over hierarchal structures.
    > and . So it sounds like Gamma>Beta, but is also an element of Gamma.

    Their playful interactions are Se rather than Ne or Fe.
    What are playful interactions of Se like?

    Cultural traditions, rules, and social status are totally unvalued.
    Other quadras could easily find reason to think that applies to them as well.

    And they overturn organized crime or corrupt governments pretty much everywhere they go.
    Why is this necessarily Gamma?

    I tend to think of Usopp more as pure Ne. I feel his aspiration to become a warrior of the sea is the main sign of his Ti.
    How is that related to Ti?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    The differences between Luffy and his foes center around their desire for hierarchal power over relationships and acceptance of "the way the world works" in order to get to the top of a system they perceive to be in place.
    They criticize his willingness to risk so much for an "unrealistic" dream or for his namaka.
    Funny, I've heard as much from Gammas about Alphas.
    I definitely see what you're saying, but "the way the world works" is more of a Se + Ti/Fe thing in this scenario... such as "Someone like you could never become the Pirate King" or something of the like. The idea here is that they're criticizing Luffy's goals as being impossible. Alpha is unrealistic in an intellectual idealist sort of way, but ESFps are "unrealistic" in an obstinate "I can do anything, no matter what I have to overcome" sort of way.

    He insists that they're idiots for not seeing the value of personal relationships over hierarchal structures.
    > and . So it sounds like Gamma>Beta, but is also an element of Gamma.
    Hierarchy is largely a Beta thing... Ti + Se. It's a system of power. Gamma doesn't have much patience for or interest in that.

    Their playful interactions are Se rather than Ne or Fe.
    What are playful interactions of Se like?
    Watch the show.

    Basically, there's a lot of teasing and "fighting" amongst the crew. They aren't very "nice" to each other much of the time.

    Cultural traditions, rules, and social status are totally unvalued.
    Other quadras could easily find reason to think that applies to them as well.
    Especially Alpha. Regardless, I do believe that overall, this applies more to Gamma than any other quadra... Democracy + unvalued Ti/Fe.

    And they overturn organized crime or corrupt governments pretty much everywhere they go.
    Why is this necessarily Gamma?
    I'd like to see Alpha do that.

    Se + Fi + Democracy + unvalued Ti

    I tend to think of Usopp more as pure Ne. I feel his aspiration to become a warrior of the sea is the main sign of his Ti.
    How is that related to Ti?
    I don't see how it would be, either.

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    Funny, I've heard as much from Gammas about Alphas.
    I definitely see what you're saying, but "the way the world works" is more of a Se + Ti/Fe thing in this scenario... such as "Someone like you could never become the Pirate King" or something of the like. The idea here is that they're criticizing Luffy's goals as being impossible. Alpha is unrealistic in an intellectual idealist sort of way, but ESFps are "unrealistic" in an obstinate "I can do anything, no matter what I have to overcome" sort of way.
    In this scenario, okay, but I could easily hear that sort of talk from Se + Te/Ni just as well. Maybe not in this scenario, but I am not familiar with the details of "this scenario" as well as you are.

    He insists that they're idiots for not seeing the value of personal relationships over hierarchal structures.
    > and . So it sounds like Gamma>Beta, but is also an element of Gamma.
    Hierarchy is largely a Beta thing... Ti + Se. It's a system of power. Gamma doesn't have much patience for or interest in that.
    I was not disagreeing, just informing you that there are commonalities between the quadras.

    Their playful interactions are Se rather than Ne or Fe.
    What are playful interactions of Se like?
    Watch the show.
    That is not very helpful either. What should I look for if I were to watch it? But I am not that interested in identifying Se playful interactions in cartoons, but in real life.

    Basically, there's a lot of teasing and "fighting" amongst the crew. They aren't very "nice" to each other much of the time.
    Teasing and "fighting"? That is incredibly vague. Again, such vague non-descriptions could easily be interpreted amongst the interactions of other quadras. Joy, I really want to understand, and I need you to help me with that as best as you can.

    Cultural traditions, rules, and social status are totally unvalued.
    Other quadras could easily find reason to think that applies to them as well.
    Especially Alpha. Regardless, I do believe that overall, this applies more to Gamma than any other quadra... Democracy + unvalued Ti/Fe.
    I do not think so, as I believe in this case you are overstating the supposed undervaluing of those things to Gamma. Alpha: Democracy + undervalued Se/Ni.

    And they overturn organized crime or corrupt governments pretty much everywhere they go.
    Why is this necessarily Gamma?
    I'd like to see Alpha do that.
    I'd like to see Gamma do that too. :wink:

    Se + Fi + Democracy + unvalued Ti
    And I'd like to see better explanations and reasons why it could not be seen elsewhere.


    Now while I agree that this show, from what little you and Smilingeyes have told me about the displayed values, is Gamma, I do not, however, necessarily believe that all of what you wrote necessarily applies to Gamma.
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