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    These are the people whose IM-IE (information metabolism-exertion) types I've got diagnosed so far. I should mention that some of them have managed to type themselves more accurately than I could.

    UDP: INTj-ESTj
    labcoat: INTj-ENFp
    FDG: ESTp-ENTj
    Phaedrus: INTp-INTj
    Oyyburger: INTj-ISTp

    That's all for now, but how about let's get some more on the list? What's your IM-IE type?

    Here are some things to think about:
    You know your hidden agenda, but what do you hope to accomplish? What is it that satisfying your hidden agenda allows you to do?

    When you take up a role, what aim do you seek to fulfill by it? Why do you believe other people accept the roles they do? What are they seeking to accomplish by doing so?

    When you get aggressive with others, what purpose do you think your aggression will serve?

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    Ha ha... very funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    It'd be more entertaining to have you just take wild guesses without any additional input.
    I'm the one who came up with INTj-ISTp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    These are the people whose IM-IE (information metabolism-exertion) types I've got diagnosed so far. I should mention that some of them have managed to type themselves more accurately than I could.
    IE types are actually related to Gulenko's subtype system.

    oldforumlinkviewtopic.php?t=10710

    The D, C, N, and H subtypes are related to Ej, Ep, Ij, and Ip TIEs (Types of Information Exertion).

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    tcaud,

    those whom you cross-typed (the ones in your list) has their "original" non-cross-type socionics type as one of the components in their two-in-one type so making guesses on other people's type here might.. might.. help them find their socionics type. especially those who still could not find their socionics type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    Quote Originally Posted by oyburger
    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    It'd be more entertaining to have you just take wild guesses without any additional input.
    I'm the one who came up with INTj-ISTp.
    I was referring to all the questions he wants people to answer. I thought it'd be more fun for him to just guess, instead of us having to answer the questions.
    lol oh. I was thinking that I'm glad I don't have to bother with coming up with answers because my cross-type had already been found.
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    deleted to distance myself from the tc's meglomania

    why is it that psychiatrists are the ones who need a psychiatrist the most?
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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    These are the people whose IM-IE (information metabolism-exertion) types I've got diagnosed so far. I should mention that some of them have managed to type themselves more accurately than I could.
    IE types are actually related to Gulenko's subtype system.

    oldforumlinkviewtopic.php?t=10710

    The D, C, N, and H subtypes are related to Ej, Ep, Ij, and Ip TIEs (Types of Information Exertion).
    Explain. I see no connection between his descriptions of these types and information exertion. In particular, no IE type is more likely to be aggressive than any other. Secondly, one of you is misinformed, either you or Steve. Perhaps if you explained what is actually being said in that document in detail then I would better understand.

    Regardless, in leu of conclusive evidence I am working on this theory without regard to subtypes. Are subtypes related to information exertion? Most probably yes because IE types are types in themselves. They simply handle a different domain of information. (exertion as opposed to metabolism) But that doesn't mean subtypes are exertion types, far from it.

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    It's funny how you can just say, where A is someone's self-proclaimed typing, and B is another typing most common among other forum members:

    A-B = crosstype

    Chalk me up as INTj-ENTp.

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    deleted to distance myself from tc's meglomania

    why is it that psychiatrists are the ones who need a psychiatrist the most?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    FDG: ESTp-ENTj
    I find that's a bit of a copout honestly given the similarity between the two types and how I used both of them as personal typings.

    You know your hidden agenda, but what do you hope to accomplish? What is it that satisfying your hidden agenda allows you to do?
    I honestly wouldn't even move a finger if it wasn't for some emotional reaction/praise I'd get out of doing it. So I think we have to invert your question: my hidden agenda seems to be the motivator behind my actions more so than something that allows me a wider range of experiences.

    When you take up a role, what aim do you seek to fulfill by it? Why do you believe other people accept the roles they do? What are they seeking to accomplish by doing so?
    1)Role as if, in a group of people? I generally get two kind of roles, either I'm the one that gets things done, or the clown/entertainer. Of course depending on this, what I seek to fulfill changes: the first mode sees me as trying to complete a task, the second as trying to cheer people up.
    2)Because they like it.
    3)Having fun?

    When you get aggressive with others, what purpose do you think your aggression will serve?
    Make them realize how what they are doing sucks/is a bad strategy/will be detrimental on the long term, and/or having fun when it's done in a playful way. Of course I'm not taking into account self-defense since you spoke about aggression. Sometime I can be a bit imposing in regard to my feelings with a partner, when he/she is being inert/delaying an answer. Something else that mitsuii recently mentioned: a situation in which somebody is behaving in a way such as to cause distress to me and to the people around me tends to propel an emotional response aimed at making the "offender" realize how his ways "sucks".
    I sincerely don't believe in "Keeping the peace" when there are problems because my chest start to literally ache out of anxiety and I can't do anything, whlist I obsessively replay the situation in my head.
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    Some more thoughts on information exertion;

    There was a debate on quantum theory and Realism vs. the Copenhagen Interpretation somewhere on this forum. It reminded me a lot of the rational vs. irrational division. The rational believes the result of an experiment is the manifestation of something 'real' (e.g. a closed system: judgment), whereas the irrational rather thinks that any determination on what is real exists only as a consequence to what was observed (to him 'real' signifies the boundaries within which observation is to be considered). Since this issue is about ones view of reality outside of the metabolized belief system it may just be that these two conflicting views depend entirely on the rationality/irrationality of the exertion type.

    (one piece in favor of this hypothesis, is that I have always been a fervent and outspoken doubter of the merit of realism in philosophy classes that I have attended)

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    edited to remove myself from tc's megalomania

    why is it that psychiatrists (and wanna be psychiatrists) the one's who need a psychiatrist the most?
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    Explain the difference between

    INTj - ESTj
    and
    INTj - ISTj


    I am not certain which would fit me better.
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    (In brief)
    ESTj - likes administrating things. Orderly, directs people to get things done. Exerts structure.

    ISTj - like Squall. (remember the sidequest where he had to find stones.) A person who inspects others' rationale.

    But I'll be thinking about it.

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    I thought Squall was so laid back, that if he went any further, he'd be on his head...
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    So laid back that he was a top student, weapons specialist, and one of the more disciplined people in the game.


    It is very hard for me to choose between those two, but I definitely inspect people's rationales... (XoX's thread, for one example).
    Though I find myself pushing for order and completion - structure, and getting things done.

    Figuring out how to balance intensity with precision is my current focus. Using to the max, especially in interactions with other people - also what I am working on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat
    Some more thoughts on information exertion;

    There was a debate on quantum theory and Realism vs. the Copenhagen Interpretation somewhere on this forum. It reminded me a lot of the rational vs. irrational division. The rational believes the result of an experiment is the manifestation of something 'real' (e.g. a closed system: judgment), whereas the irrational rather thinks that any determination on what is real exists only as a consequence to what was observed (to him 'real' signifies the boundaries within which observation is to be considered). Since this issue is about ones view of reality outside of the metabolized belief system it may just be that these two conflicting views depend entirely on the rationality/irrationality of the exertion type.

    (one piece in favor of this hypothesis, is that I have always been a fervent and outspoken doubter of the merit of realism in philosophy classes that I have attended)
    That's a good hypothesis. It would seem to make sense. We need a test to measure this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    edited to remove myself from tc's megalomania

    why is it that psychiatrists (and wanna be psychiatrists) the one's who need a psychiatrist the most?
    Shameless.

    I'd like some VI though: I think I know what your type may be, but I'd like some VI as proof of it. (I know what to look for)

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    What is the difference in behaviours and attitudes between an INTp-INTj and an INTp-INFp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg

    You know your hidden agenda, but what do you hope to accomplish? What is it that satisfying your hidden agenda allows you to do?

    When you take up a role, what aim do you seek to fulfill by it? Why do you believe other people accept the roles they do? What are they seeking to accomplish by doing so?

    When you get aggressive with others, what purpose do you think your aggression will serve?
    I seek Si because I feel that it will allow others to be rational.

    I usually take a passive, mediating role or I take an active role when noone will do things that I feel need to be done (like delegating work). I think other people accept the roles they do because they think it's in their best interest in a state of power.

    I get aggressive when I think people are being irrational. I think being aggressive (this takes the form of interjecting arguments in a firm tone) will remove the emotional hurdle and contribute to intellectual progress/volitional progress.. or something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    deleted to distance myself from the tc's meglomania

    why is it that psychiatrists are the ones who need a psychiatrist the most?
    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    I want to know about ENFp-ISTj!

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    This poem, an entire cycle of the urobolos that is Model-A. From base to determination, from ego to id. A snapshot of the ENFp-ISTj mind.


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    you got your second supposed quote wrong, please correct it

    as for the enfp-istj "description": poetry means nothing to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    you got your second supposed quote wrong, please correct it

    as for the enfp-istj "description": poetry means nothing to me
    Could that be because you're not ENFp-ISTj? Where is this ISTj world in which you supposedly live? (to invoke labcoat's observations on exertion theory)

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    If I should die,

    think only this of me:

    That there's some corner of a foreign field
    That is for ever England.

    There shall be
    In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;

    A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,

    Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam,

    A body of England's, breathing English air,

    Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.

    And think, this heart, all evil shed away,

    A pulse in the eternal mind, no less

    Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;

    Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;

    And laughter, learnt of friends;

    and gentleness, In hearts at peace,

    under an English heaven.

    -- Rupert Brooke, The Soldier

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    tcaud,

    why don't you analyse several people's posts that way and see if you can come up with their type successfully? go for the acid test man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefana
    tcaud,

    why don't you analyse several people's posts that way and see if you can come up with their type successfully? go for the acid test man.
    please don't encourage him in this particular matter
    he's not out to test his thoughts....but to try pushing them onto others
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise

    please don't encourage him in this particular matter
    he's not out to test his thoughts....but to try pushing them onto others
    that was why i asked him if he could analyse some people's writing on here. if he's so disinclined to test his thoughts, that suggests to me that he himself has no confidence in this cross/dual-type theory.

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    Every time I read the thread title I think about IS-LM curves. Am I the only one?
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    I don't even know what an IS-LM curve is... ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat
    I don't even know what an IS-LM curve is... ???
    some economics crap, nothing important really
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefana
    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise

    please don't encourage him in this particular matter
    he's not out to test his thoughts....but to try pushing them onto others
    that was why i asked him if he could analyse some people's writing on here. if he's so disinclined to test his thoughts, that suggests to me that he himself has no confidence in this cross/dual-type theory.
    i agree with your idea
    i just don't think that is how he'd approach it
    he may analyze people's writings,
    but he'd refuse to acknowledge feedback that his analysis is off or wrong
    instead insisting that he is right
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    first rule of holes: when your in one, stop digging!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat
    first rule of holes: when your in one, stop digging!
    but if you stop digging, you may never reach the gold
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