Due to suggestions and my own innitiative I have decided to create a "database" of all the people I have typed, organized according to their type.
Please free to contest my listings and to suggest other people to be added to the lists.
Dioklecian's Type Lists
Due to suggestions and my own innitiative I have decided to create a "database" of all the people I have typed, organized according to their type.
Please free to contest my listings and to suggest other people to be added to the lists.
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INTP
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-Roger Federer
-Steve Nash
-Warren Buffett
-Beckham
-Aristotle
-Heraclitus
-Octavian Augustus
-Moses
-Buddha
-Dick Cheney
-John Travolta
-Hannibal
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ESFP
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-Cleopatra
-Nicole Kidman
-Napoleon
-Stendhal
-Helen of Troy
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I like how David Beckham gets one name like Aristotle, Moses, and Buddah.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
ENTJ
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-Henry Ford
-Rutherford (physicist)
-Enrico Fermi
-Robert Redford
-Xenophone
-Julius Caesar
-David Letterman
-Michael Moore
-Salvador Dali
-Amy Lee (singer)
-Bjork
-The guy from "That 70s show"
-Family Guy
-Quentin Tarantino,
-Mao
-Stalin
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Good oneOriginally Posted by Slacker Mom
I like how David Beckham gets one name like Aristotle, Moses, and Buddah.
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ISFJ
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-Marlene Dietrich
-Betty Davis
-The main actress from Grease.
-Uma Thurman
-Marilyn Monroe
-Frank Sinatra
-Richard Nixon
-Andy Warhol
-James Naismith (invented basketball)
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"Main actress from Grease" = Olivia Newton-John
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
?-The guy from "That 70s show"
INTJ
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-Plato
-Pharaoh Amenhotep IV
-Newton
-Robespierre
-Darwin
-Lewis Caroll
-Einstein
-Jung
-Gerald Ford
-Julius Robert Oppenheimer
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ESFJ
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-Nefertiti
-Jacqueline Auriol
-Oprah
-Condoleza Rice
-Posh Spice
-James Watson
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ENTP
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-Ulysses
-Epaminondas
-Pyrrhus
-Roman Emperor Lucius Septimius Severus
-Galileo
-Cervantes
-Rasputin
-Alcide De Gasperi
-Juergen Schrempp
-John Kerry
-Johnny Carson
-Jay Leno
-Schwarzenegger
-Simon Cowell
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you mean james watson like watson & crick, right?
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
Yes, precisely, the biologist.
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Topher Grace, he plays Eric. But icould be wrong on this one. He might be ESFJ.
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ISFP
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-Thetis
-Winston Churchill
-Queen Elizabeth II
-Nikita Khrushchev
-Mother Teresa
-Marc Anthony
-Lenny Kravitz
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ENFP
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-Pyrrhus
-Joan of Arc
-David Ben-Gurion
-Günter Blobel (biologist, nobel prize)
-Demi Moore
-Dolores O'Riordan
-Nelly Furtado
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ISTP
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-Adam Smith
-John Locke
-Washington
-Harry Truman
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ESTJ
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-King Louis the Fourteenth of France,
-Singer Pink
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Rather than commenting on specific "weird"-seeming typings here, I'll just suggest that maybe a good next step would be to explain the typings that go against what people in the Russian Socionics community have come up with, as well as ones that have been discussed extensively on this forum.
It's not that you have to agree...that's not the point. The point is, if everyone comes up with completely different typings willy nilly, then it suggests that there really isn't anything to Socionics. Rick has some detailed explanations of some of his typings, and he also shows what various numbers of other Socionists have said in his "celebrity benchmark list."
Nevertheless, your own personal list of typings is at least good for diagnosing the ways in which your understanding may diverge from Socionics the way the Russian folks understand it.
Your INTps suggest some inconsistent images; the only pattern is that you probably see INTps as very forceful and decided about their opinions.
Andy Warhol as ISFj is kind of surprising.
Plato as INTj and Aristotle as INTp suggests to me that you accept the J/P flip with MBTI as basically valid. It appears that you're inclined to see scientific investigators and basically open-minded scientific types as INTj; that's why move some people over to the INTj column from some of the other types. Perhaps the fact that experienced Socionists have typed some scientists as INTp, and a fair number as ENTp annoys you.
Your ISFps don't form any clear pattern; they seem to be drawn from other types.
It gives me an idea for a Socionics board game though. Basically, you throw the dice to see what type someone is. It may actually prove to be a fairly accurate method.
just as good as anything else dio could come up with.It gives me an idea for a Socionics board game though. Basically, you throw the dice to see what type someone is. It may actually prove to be a fairly accurate method.
The ones I'm surprised the most about are (not that I agree with the others, but I don't know many of them well):
I mean, the only possible connection I can see between these is, perhaps, strong opinions about -- something.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
How come Expat is not on the list?
Intuition
i will have to debate bjork at least. please tell why you've typed her of all people as ENTj?
Dio, you're an unusual fellow.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Re: Dioklecian's Type Lists
I do not fully agree with your typings, but I am grateful for the list.
Your contributions thus far have been most interesting, consistently highly original and thought provoking. I hope you have the patience to keep up the good work.
"Arnie is strong, rightfully angry and wants to kill somebody."
martin_g_karlsson
Re: Dioklecian's Type Lists
Oh thank you, I am blushingI do not fully agree with your typings, but I am grateful for the list.
Your contributions thus far have been most interesting, consistently highly original and thought provoking. I hope you have the patience to keep up the good work.
A compliment from a thoughtfull person like yourself, with a demonstrated determination to understand types and even put his own certainty on the line, with all the anguish that that might bring, is appreciated sincerely.
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Jonathan I appreciate your comments. I don't really know what the consensus in the Russian sites isabout the peopleI have typed here, please let me know about which ones I have diverged from, I would sincerely appreciate it.Rather than commenting on specific "weird"-seeming typings here, I'll just suggest that maybe a good next step would be to explain the typings that go against what people in the Russian Socionics community have come up with, as well as ones that have been discussed extensively on this forum.
It's not that you have to agree...that's not the point. The point is, if everyone comes up with completely different typings willy nilly, then it suggests that there really isn't anything to Socionics. Rick has some detailed explanations of some of his typings, and he also shows what various numbers of other Socionists have said in his "celebrity benchmark list."
Nevertheless, your own personal list of typings is at least good for diagnosing the ways in which your understanding may diverge from Socionics the way the Russian folks understand it.
Your INTps suggest some inconsistent images; the only pattern is that you probably see INTps as very forceful and decided about their opinions.
Andy Warhol as ISFj is kind of surprising.
Plato as INTj and Aristotle as INTp suggests to me that you accept the J/P flip with MBTI as basically valid. It appears that you're inclined to see scientific investigators and basically open-minded scientific types as INTj; that's why move some people over to the INTj column from some of the other types. Perhaps the fact that experienced Socionists have typed some scientists as INTp, and a fair number as ENTp annoys you.
Your ISFps don't form any clear pattern; they seem to be drawn from other types.
It gives me an idea for a Socionics board game though. Basically, you throw the dice to see what type someone is. It may actually prove to be a fairly accurate method.
About INTP/INTJ. My understanding of it comes from my own experience. INTJs tend to be more static, architecturalin the their thinking. INTPs are more tactical, commercial.
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Expat is ENTJ in my opinion.
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UDP some of my typings are indeed put there to be thought provoking more than final judgments. If any particular person catches your interest, feel free to coment I would sincerely appreciate it.
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I will double check Bjork. I sincerely appreciate your input Mariai will have to debate bjork at least. please tell why you've typed her of all people as ENTj?
The reason why I pit her here as ENTJK was that she reminds me in many ways of my ENTJ ex.
Implied THANK YOU
I now believe that Bjork is INFJ, what do you think?
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Maybe I will in a little bit. Keep churning them out.UDP some of my typings are indeed put there to be thought provoking more than final judgments. If any particular person catches your interest, feel free to coment I would sincerely appreciate it.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
how about all of them?
So you think that ENTjs and INFjs are generally similar?I will double check Bjork. I sincerely appreciate your input Maria
The reason why I pit her here as ENTJK was that she reminds me in many ways of my ENTJ ex.
Implied THANK YOU
I now believe that Bjork is INFJ, what do you think?
Hi Exapt,
No, I don't think that there is any particular similarity between INFJ and ENTJ, however in this particular case there seemed to be some superficial similarities. Also I heard her say that she admires Bjork, etc, so I made a snap judgment call, which on second check up, I think was wrong.
Again, I expect to make many such mistakes, and usually do, until I review my choices, sort of like a first draft.
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My comments FWIW
I was mainly sceptical about Dali being ENTj.....>.> But I have no argument yet.The ones I'm surprised the most about are (not that I agree with the others, but I don't know many of them well):
I mean, the only possible connection I can see between these is, perhaps, strong opinions about -- something.
And Family Guy? LoL The whole show or which character? O_o
SEE Unknown Subtype
6w7 sx/so
[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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Well, maybe I overstated myself.
Anyhow, here are some of yours I wondered about:
* Dick Cheney as INTp. I think there was a thread here where people made a good case for ISTj. Here's how I summarized the way Dick Cheney comes off in another thread (though I didn't mention that I was describing him): "Flaunts impression of knowledge (without necessarily demonstrating it); intellectually aggressive; power-driven; arrogant-seeming, uses unfair means of attacking opponent or making opponent look bad; implies that opponent is stupid." No one so far felt that that's a good description of an INTp. He seems perhaps a bit aggressive compared to the standard Socionics version of INTp, although MBTI-NiTe seems more reasonable.
*Aristotle as INTp...I'd consider it; I would have typed Aristotle as NiTe under MBTI. Explain your reasoning though.
* Plato as INTj....Rick's Celebrity benchmark list shows a convergence of Socionists typing Socrates as INTp. I know that some on this forum think he was an ENTj. In any case, I find it hard to believe that Socrates and the person who wrote the version by which we know Socrates were quasi-identicals.
* Einstein as INTj; it seems most Socionists think he was ENTp.
* Darwin as INTj; Rick makes a good case for INTp, although other Socionists have typed him as every NT except INTj.
* Schwarzenegger as ENTp; Rick thinks ESTj. In any case, he seems S-like (?). Why ENTp?
* Andy Warhol as ISFj. Rick makes a case for INFp, although I might have guessed ENTp. In any case, ISFj just seemed weird....but maybe I just don't know him well enough. I'd be interested to hear your reasoning.
* Nicole Kidman as ESFp. Dmitri thinks ENFj, Rick thinks INTp. Okay, so that's hardly a convergence, but at least they agree on the Ti/Fe axis. I don't get any ESFp vibe at all. How do you get ESFp from her?
[quote="he died with a felafel"][quote="Dioklecian"]You are right, she is between ISFPand INFJ, I am not sure either. She is even violenti doubt it...To me she comes accross as neurotic, exhibitionist in her performances, and i personally find her music (and her) irritating.
may i suggest isfp...briefly....
willing to reconsider.
already am
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=pYyyqIZTvYY[/youtube]
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HI Jonathan, I greatly appreciate your reply.Well, maybe I overstated myself.
Anyhow, here are some of yours I wondered about:
* Dick Cheney as INTp. I think there was a thread here where people made a good case for ISTj. Here's how I summarized the way Dick Cheney comes off in another thread (though I didn't mention that I was describing him): "Flaunts impression of knowledge (without necessarily demonstrating it); intellectually aggressive; power-driven; arrogant-seeming, uses unfair means of attacking opponent or making opponent look bad; implies that opponent is stupid." No one so far felt that that's a good description of an INTp. He seems perhaps a bit aggressive compared to the standard Socionics version of INTp, although MBTI-NiTe seems more reasonable.
*Aristotle as INTp...I'd consider it; I would have typed Aristotle as NiTe under MBTI. Explain your reasoning though.
* Plato as INTj....Rick's Celebrity benchmark list shows a convergence of Socionists typing Socrates as INTp. I know that some on this forum think he was an ENTj. In any case, I find it hard to believe that Socrates and the person who wrote the version by which we know Socrates were quasi-identicals.
* Einstein as INTj; it seems most Socionists think he was ENTp.
* Darwin as INTj; Rick makes a good case for INTp, although other Socionists have typed him as every NT except INTj.
* Schwarzenegger as ENTp; Rick thinks ESTj. In any case, he seems S-like (?). Why ENTp?
* Andy Warhol as ISFj. Rick makes a case for INFp, although I might have guessed ENTp. In any case, ISFj just seemed weird....but maybe I just don't know him well enough. I'd be interested to hear your reasoning.
* Nicole Kidman as ESFp. Dmitri thinks ENFj, Rick thinks INTp. Okay, so that's hardly a convergence, but at least they agree on the Ti/Fe axis. I don't get any ESFp vibe at all. How do you get ESFp from her?
I think that we agree on many things.
For instance, I also believe that Aristotle is Ni-Te, or ILI in socionics. I think that the MBTI labels have confused us.
About Plato, I think that he is Ti-Ne, or LII. Do we agree on that too perhaps?
I have read Rick's typings and agree with many of them. I didn't check with his website for this list.
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