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    Since I'm a fan of finding real life examples of types, let's talk about some musicians. I'll post my opinions, but keep in mind that this is in no way definitive; I hate definitives. Some people keep on forgetting that right away, and criticize automatically with out giving any reason. Ok, here goes;

    Bob Dylan- INTP

    Elvis- ESFP

    Anthony Kiedis- INFP
    Flea- ISTJ
    John Fuscante- ENTP?

    Van Halen- INFP

    Billy Joe- ENTP

    Mick Jagger- ENTP
    Keith Richards- ISTP

    Kurt Cobain- INFP
    Dave Grohl- ISTP

    Cedric Bixler- ISFP
    Omar Rodriguez- ESTP
    Jon Theodore- ISTJ
    Flea- ISTJ

    Jimi Hendrix- INFP

    Micheal Jackson- INFP

    Eric Clapton- ENTP (J?)

    Freddy Mercury- ENFP ?


    I think that's a nice start.
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    Cedric Bixler- ISFP
    Omar Rodriguez- ESTP
    Oh cool! I like Mars Volta.

    Is there some kind of connection between functions and musical ability? What function would correlate with perfect pitch? My INTj brother and I both have perfect pitch, so I was wondering about that.
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    Some hard rocking INFPs up there. I always liked Kurt Cobain's music, I could identify with his type of sarcasm. Some think Kurt Cobain is an INTJ though, but I remember his wife saying that Kurt often had a sweet temperament in his private life. Whether that's true or not I don't know.

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    The Classical Musicians (of which barely anyone will recognize or care about, and which most are major pianists):

    Ludwig van Beethoven: ESTj (just a guess)
    Frederic Chopin: INFp
    Franz Liszt: ESTp
    Claude Debussy: INTp
    Maurice Ravel: INFp
    Sergei Prokofiev: ENTp
    Sergei Rachmaninoff: INTj
    Dmitri Shostakovich: INTp

    Not sure about the rest.
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    Any idea about Bruce Springsteen's type, anyone?
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    I definately would have thought Beethoven would be an introvert type, and Mozart probably an extrovert type... but they've been dead too long for us to ever know, lol.
    I agree about Mozart. He composed way too fast to be an Introvert. The only reason I typed Beethoven as ESTj is because he was well-known for being very hot-headed, misinterpreting people's emotions and intentions, and working non-stop for days at a time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Molly
    Quote Originally Posted by Herzblut
    Is there some kind of connection between functions and musical ability? What function would correlate with perfect pitch? My INTj brother and I both have perfect pitch, so I was wondering about that.
    Would 'pitch' be considered musical? I was thinking instrumental wise. Just asking?
    Hmm, sorry, I don't know what you're asking. Elaborate?
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    I remember some chart about the learning rate of music somewhere. The summary was basically that N's learned music faster but the IN's were faster than the EN's. Or something like that...saw it a year ago online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzblut
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Cedric Bixler- ISFP
    Omar Rodriguez- ESTP
    Oh cool! I like Mars Volta.

    Is there some kind of connection between functions and musical ability? What function would correlate with perfect pitch? My INTj brother and I both have perfect pitch, so I was wondering about that.
    A lot of people do.

    I don't know about pitch and that kind of stuff. One thing that I have noticed is that the SFP types seem to belt out pure, long notes better than any of the other types (like Cedric). Two ESFPs I can think of who do this as well are Aretha Franklin and Whitney Housten.

    And something intersting I'd like to point out about The Mars Volta; they are all sensors. Most of the time intuitive types are stereotyped as being better writers and musicians... and more creative. The Mars Volta is one of the most creative and progressive bands out there, but I don't see any intuitives in the bunch. Ha!
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    I don't know about pitch and that kind of stuff. One thing that I have noticed is that the SFP types seem to belt out pure, long notes better than any of the other types (like Cedric). Two ESFPs I can think of who do this as well are Aretha Franklin and Whitney Housten.
    Makes me think Karen Carpenter might also have been an ESFP. I remember watching a documentary about her life sometime back and she seemed to be either ESFJ or ESFP. She seemed to rely a lot on the opinions of others even if they were fallacious which ultimately caused her death (someone calling her band "fatkid" or something like that on a ratings chart) and she also wanted to have a lot of children. Sounds like something an ESFP would do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Molly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzblut
    Is there some kind of connection between functions and musical ability? What function would correlate with perfect pitch? My INTj brother and I both have perfect pitch, so I was wondering about that.
    Would 'pitch' be considered musical? I was thinking instrumental wise. Just asking?
    Hmm, sorry, I don't know what you're asking. Elaborate?
    I don't think I do either?! Forget it! Sorry!

    I am going to take this opportunity to say this, Herzblut, I've been wanting to. You are truly the most wonderful person on this forum. So bright & happy. Always positive and upbeat. Always a pleasure to hear from you.
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    And something intersting I'd like to point out about The Mars Volta; they are all sensors. Most of the time intuitive types are stereotyped as being better writers and musicians... and more creative. The Mars Volta is one of the most creative and progressive bands out there, but I don't see any intuitives in the bunch. Ha!
    Interesting observation. Yet another way to bust the "sensors are st00p1d" stereotype!
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    What type are you? I'm thinking that perfect pitch may be a related thing, but I'm not sure.
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    The most obsessed types are INFps and INTps IMO. I listen to music all day long since I've been 15. And I know INT/Fps which are the same way.
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    Yeah it's great fun and it's $#@ fascinating to jump from one subculture to another.. too pity that they all become boring at some point. I just kinda assimilate them and I had to start search for something new which is mega funny too. I think INFps and ENFps can do this leaps very easily.

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    Yah, I'm another INFP extremely obsessed with music. I'm glad there's plenty of musicians to represent our type.

    Dave Navarro - ENFp
    I hope your right. Then the ENFP's will finally have a great musician to represent their type. :wink:

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    I'm pretty sure Navarro is ESTP.

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    Is there some kind of connection between functions and musical ability? What function would correlate with perfect pitch? My INTj brother and I both have perfect pitch, so I was wondering about that.
    Plain and simple, music has nothing to do with type. Period.

    Natural perfect pitch is caused by repeated exposure to well-tuned instruments (like pianos) during infancy and childhood. In fact, it is possible to learn perfect pitch as an adult. So I wonder if you and your brother, Herzblut, have a musical family?

    Learning ability and technique also are not type-related. They are acquired through external factors like teachers using the proper methods, motivation, opportunity, etc. Believe me, if you ever hated/sucked at/quit playing an instrument as a kid, it was probably your teacher's fault.

    And people who obsess over music usually have nothing better to do. Even pianists like me. :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cone
    I definately would have thought Beethoven would be an introvert type, and Mozart probably an extrovert type... but they've been dead too long for us to ever know, lol.
    I agree about Mozart. He composed way too fast to be an Introvert. The only reason I typed Beethoven as ESTj is because he was well-known for being very hot-headed, misinterpreting people's emotions and intentions, and working non-stop for days at a time.
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    VERY true. I think that Socionics really can only go so far. It probably has more to do with why and how someone accomplishes something as opposed to what they accomplish. An ISTp will approach a piece of music differently from an INFp <- they may eve react to the music differently, but both are equally valid ways of going about it.
    Right, and type is especially important in interpretation. For example, the INFp composers were noted for their 'elegant' style of composition. And I forgot a composer...

    John Cage: INFp

    INFps were also revolutionaries. Chopin himself stated that money was irrelevant to him because he was a revolutionary. Hard to believe that Socionics tells us that INFps are constantly hungry for money.
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    INFps were also revolutionaries. Chopin himself stated that money was irrelevant to him because he was a revolutionary. Hard to believe that Socionics tells us that INFps are constantly hungry for money.
    I'm an INFP and I believe that money is overrated. I could care less about money, as long as I have a couple luxuries... not many. I mean, it's nice... but the way socionics.com makes it sound is kinda just BS.

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    INFps were also revolutionaries. Chopin himself stated that money was irrelevant to him because he was a revolutionary. Hard to believe that Socionics tells us that INFps are constantly hungry for money.
    I think INFPs are only interested in money because deep down I suspect a lot of us realize that about the only way to escape the ravages and brutality of this society is to be dirty rich so you don't have to really participate in the grind of it anymore. I have to admit I dream of being rich a lot but only because it represents escape from the grind for me, not because it means I can own a lot of things. Th idyllic life is the one for me, the high-pressure, highly competitive environment worshipped in today's society I can't stand.

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    I know an INFP girl and she talks about money all the time. She even told me that if was rich one day she might marry me. lol. She's said before that money is the only thing really important in a mate. I don't think all INFPs are this extreme, though.
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