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    Quote Originally Posted by lefty
    A lot of sloppy typing going on, but I guess its the only way to figure things out.
    There sure is.

    And yes, unfortunately, it is the only way to learn.

    Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    Also, what is up with this assumption that no Betas would be into Nascar? That is complete bullshit. I'm sure there are people of every type on the planet who are into Nascar. And there are geezers and rednecks of every type too, for that matter.
    im really not interested enough in the topic to debate you.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rasmussen

    He's very very LSI-like. Believe me. Only LSI are obsessive like that... his behaviour sounds somewhat autistic.

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    I agree on Rasmussen. I know plenty of LSI road cyclists. They are the most painful adversaries. Extreme resistance, willpower, and they will not let you know they are on the verge of exploding until they actually explode (in comparison to most other adversaries that tend to give off visible clues about their bodily states). The latter trait is especially hard to take for me. They tend to be sore losers, too.
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    Negreanu might be ILE.
    IEI - the nasty kind...

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    (Michael Rasmussen)
    By photos alone - yes, ISTj.

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    Saint Thomas Aquinas - he's probably LSI

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    Would you consider Peta Wilson to be LSI?


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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post


    Saint Thomas Aquinas - he's probably LSI
    He totally VIs like one.

    Actually, that's exactly what LSI's look like when they fend off the paparazzi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc View Post


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rasmussen

    He's very very LSI-like. Believe me. Only LSI are obsessive like that... his behaviour sounds somewhat autistic.
    What the hell are you babbling about?! This is becoming totally embarrassing! Being obsessive has nothing to do with being LSI and NO, I don't believe you. You're too insane obsessed anti-LSI. And no wonder you don't like LSIs - you can't even type them and every "bad guy" ends up being typed as LSI in your book.

    This guy doesn't look LSI to me. I have a very odd way of seeing faces, but this guy reminds me of FDG. And at the same time he looks a bit like INTp with high adrenaline.
    EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristiina View Post
    What the hell are you babbling about?! This is becoming totally embarrassing! Being obsessive has nothing to do with being LSI and NO, I don't believe you. You're too insane obsessed anti-LSI. And no wonder you don't like LSIs - you can't even type them and every "bad guy" ends up being typed as LSI in your book.

    This guy doesn't look LSI to me. I have a very odd way of seeing faces, but this guy reminds me of FDG. And at the same time he looks a bit like INTp with high adrenaline.
    That dude is known to be a narrow-minded perfectionist. It's pretty safe to type that retard LSI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    He totally VIs like one.

    Actually, that's exactly what LSI's look like when they fend off the paparazzi.
    If you read his writings, LSI is very clear. He was known for his tough-minded way of reasoning.

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    Giorgio Armani, probably a 000 or 0-0 variant. He's known to be a perfectionistic leader. Not a retarded dictator, though.

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    Gretchen Wilson, -0+ variant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machintruc
    Giorgio Armani, probably a 000 or 0-0 variant. He's known to be a perfectionistic leader. Not a retarded dictator, though.
    The sun was not kind to him.

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    Default Examples of possible LSIs-ISTjs

    Here you can discuss other peoples examples in the thread LSI examples

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    I think I agree about Wiesler being LSI. When I saw that movie I was kind of going back and forth between LSI and LII. But I think that it was more often towards LSI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I think I agree about Wiesler being LSI. When I saw that movie I was kind of going back and forth between LSI and LII. But I think that it was more often towards LSI.
    LII is a real possibility but he doesn't fit the intuitive dictomy and I see him rarely use in any situation. Most of the time he is practical and highly aware of his surroundings, he uses threats on peoples careers in an way but not like his colleges, instead he reports them in a way.

    What I like about his character is it shows him developing throughout the film, at first he is cold and merciless with his , but once he realizes their is no real justice in what is being done, he develops his showing compassion for georgs situation. I think Honecker is SLE and Georg is likely an ethical type. Like I said I really like the transformation his character undergoes, its one of the rare examples of a LSI protagonist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tereg View Post
    Dwight Schrute from The Office
    I think you could be accurate, but I think something like ILI or LII could work too, he has a crazy sort of or vibe sometimes..... but I can see LSI too, the problem is the office is comedy and therefore you can't take his character seriously by definition.

    but my favorite quotes are

    "Why would you want to raise your cholestrol?"
    "To lower it"

    and the whole rant about the ladies room

    He does sort of remind me of alot of the stupid things one of my LSI friend says

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    Default Famous LSIs/ISTjs

    As per request for lists of famous betas by type, here are a few celebrity LSIs... (Sorry it's not more exhaustive--it's whoever comes to mind while writing... I'll try to give examples of both subtypes.)

    Michael Jordan (Ti)
    Kevin Garnett (Se)
    Lou Reed
    Lisa-Marie Presley
    Eddie Van Halen
    William S. Burroughs
    Johnny Cash (Ti)
    Pat Buchanan (Se)
    Che Guevara
    Mark Wahlberg
    Yoko Ono
    Hulk Hogan
    Dick Cheney
    James Dean
    Hilary Clinton (Ti)
    Meat Loaf (Se)
    Larry Bird
    Miko Brando
    Nancy Reagan
    Drew Peterson
    Meryl Streep
    Brooke Shields
    Tatum O’Neal
    Quincy Jones
    Joan Jett

    etc.

    Please add your own examples to the list.

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    I agree with a good amount of these, but think that Cheney, Hogan and Bird are most likely delta STs (LSE for the first two, SLI for the latter).

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    A few others:

    Chris Langan (Se)
    Joe Scarborough (Ti)
    Sting (Se)
    Richard Wagner (Ti)

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    I agree with those as ISTj.

    I'm beginning to think that we've had some Se and Ti subtypes mixed up... It might not be true, but it's an educated hypothesis at this point... Se-ISTjs tend to be abrupt, shift quickly, fluid, more excitable etc. Whereas the Ti-ISTjs tend to be more quiet, speak more slowly, etc.)

    I'm gonna keep investigating it... If true, I'm an Fe-ENFj. If not, I'm an Ni-ENFj... I've found that my exact dual is the quieter, more steady subtype.

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    Yes, I agree about those differences in subtype. If you are considering J-sub again, perhaps Fe-IEI is plausible.
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    Hogan - LSE (duh..?)
    Cheney - LIE
    Larry Bird - SLI>LSE (compare to Jordan, an actual LSI)
    Meryl Streep - I favor ESI over LSI, but I suppose its possible.

    I had thought of Johnny Cash as more Gamma SF, but the comparison to Clive Owen (who should certainly be added to this list) makes me see LSI more.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Hogan - LSE (duh..?)
    Cheney - LIE
    Larry Bird - SLI>LSE (compare to Jordan, an actual LSI)
    You think these people value Fi>Fe..?

    I'm interested in how you type people--I mean, the difference between Delta and Beta is pretty big (duh..?) Do you perceive individual functions, e.g. "he's projecting Se," or no?

    I'd think Hulk Hogan would be a pretty obvious example of projecting Se--not because of his profession, but because of his demeanor. (Compare Hulk Hogan in his 30s w/ Kevin Garnett now.) Also, his ex-wife, girlfriend, and kids are pretty obvious Betas... Which is telling.

    I know less about the other two people, but definitely disagree with typing them Fi valuers.

    Arguing specific LSI celebrities doesn't interest me much here... I'm more interested if you know some other LSIs not listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Yes, I agree about those differences in subtype. If you are considering J-sub again, perhaps Fe-IEI is plausible.
    What's a J-sub..? (An Ashton thing?)

    If I'm correct about the subtype differences, then I'm a Fe-ENFj... If I'm wrong, then the other subtype. IEI isn't an option I could honestly entertain now.

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    I just think Hulk Hogan is LSE; he seems EJ>IJ and just...seems Delta. Too goofy, too much of his image is based in assumed self-effacement to be a Beta. Think of Mr. T, another LSE.

    I suppose Cheney could be LSI ("The Mastermind"), but he seems more EJ than IJ to me personally. Also his Se has a compensatory feel; then again maybe he is just a 5.

    And, like I said, I think Clive Owne should go on your list of LSIs, especially given the comparison to Johnny Cash.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    Putin.
    what was that other croatian guy you once wrote a whole article about?
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    what was that other croatian guy you once wrote a whole article about?
    LSI. Krunoslav Borovec.
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/557917-post5.html


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    Gaze reminds me of mysticsonic, whose type I'm not set on.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    What's a J-sub..? (An Ashton thing?)
    J-sub = Ji/Je subtype. It's a simplistic notion, based on subtypes.
    4w3-5w6-8w7

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    Yes Good calls on Clive Owen, Putin, and Dr. Phil--and based on looks alone, Borovec too (more about why Borovec 'looks LSI,' down to the subtype, below.) Thank you all.

    If anyone thinks of any other LSI celebrities, please post. This thread's good stuff.

    Re: why Borovec "looks LSI:"

    Borovec has one of the common LSI gazes/demeanors. Specifically, one of the Ti-LSI subtype gazes/demeanors--similar to C. Owen's... The other Ti-LSI gaze/demeanor is typified by Quincy Jones'. Perhaps needless to say, C. Owen's and Q. Jones' personalities come across differently; however--if my above post's hypothesis about subtypes is correct--they're both examples of the same type/subtype.

    Compared with Se-LSIs, Ti-LSIs come across as more restrained (physically and in terms of expression, esp. emotional expression,) slower-moving, and less animated/rapid in terms of facial expressions. Generally, their gestures are smoother/rounder, and their speech/intonation is less abrupt. In terms of Socionics temperament, Ti-ISTjs can come across stereotypically as 'Ip.'

    Re: the Se-LSI subtype:

    Like its counterpart, (and for that matter, every type/subtype,) the Se-LSI subtype also has common gazes/demeanors. Se-LSI males are typified by celebrities such as James Dean, Kevin Garnett, Billy Idol, and Pat Buchanan.

    If anyone wants to talk about any of this, I'd REALLY like to... The common gazes/demeanors of the various types/subtype has been my main Socionics interest for quite awhile now.

    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    J-sub = Ji/Je subtype. It's a simplistic notion, based on subtypes.
    If you'd explain the lingo, I'd appreciate it... I want to know what you mean.
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    Yes. Borovec is Ti subtype. Here are some VIdeos:

    #1: serious.
    SEEbiz.eu - Video Player - Krunoslav Borovec, PU Zagreba?ka, o istrazi ubojstva Ive Pukani?a

    #2: more casual conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu
    If you'd explain the lingo, I'd appreciate it... I want to know what you mean.
    I'm just referring to simple subtypes – Fe-INFp = J-sub, Ni-INFp = P-sub, etc. The terminology doesn't really matter.
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    Here's a celebrity LSI typing that I doubt many will agree with (at first... until, as in the past, people start thinking about it and then reconsidering it... And then agreeing with it.)


    * Johnny Depp = LSI

    For LSI:
    * his wife, Vanessa Paradis, is ENFj
    * his ex-gf, kate moss, is ENFj
    * his ex, winona ryder, is beta NF
    * his most frequent creative partner, Tim Burton, is (probably, haven't investigated enough to say for sure,) Ni-ENFj

    I haven't met enough male LSIs of this particular demeanor to say with certainty whether they're Ti-LSIs or Se-LSIs... Personally, I've gotten along with them well--better than with most Se-ISTjs. To me, they've seemed laid-back and laconic compared with male Se-LSI benchmarks... (I.e. closer in demeanor to Ti-LSI Clive Owen than Se-LSIs Kevin Garnett and Pat Buchanan.) Makes me think Ti-LSI might be it, but I can't say for sure which subtype is correct.
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