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    Yes this was again brought about by my continuing quest to find the right environment for myself. But while I'm at it, let us discuss other types as well:


    What environments have you seen people of a specific type flourish? Specifically in regard to occupation/jobs, but anything else in general. Hopefully we can get a running list. If it works out well, I will make a list and update it as the thread goes.


    • ALPHA
      [list:4566a0d619]INTj
      ESFj
      ISFj
      ENTp

    [*]BETA
    • ISTj
      ENFj
      INFp
      ESTp

    [*]GAMMA
    • INTp
      ESFp
      ISFj
      ENTj

    [*]GAMMA
    • ISTp
      ENFp
      INFj
      ESTj
    [/list:u:4566a0d619]
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    ISFps -- teaching situations.
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    my ENFj sis is a nurse. and an excellent one at that. she would get perfect scores in college.
    ENTj is definitely made for business.
    ISTj are great for military/authority.
    INTp make for great analysts.
    then again, all these examples are pretty much stereotypical even though i've picked them from real life individuals.
    IEI - the nasty kind...

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    I think ISFj would make a good police.

    ESTjs make good doctors.

    Then all NF types make good writers I think but their style is very different from each other.

    INTjs are born to be software architects and programmers.

    ENTps are good researchers.

    ESFjs are good at everything requiring organizing people. Like arranging a big happening (even for a huge amount of people).

    ENFjs would probably be good at education/training business. Perhaps not so much in academic setting which stresses the analytical side but in a corporate setting where a more "varied" approaches can be taken.

    Yeah well that is a start.

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    ESFj-Human resources
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    Actually, I would think that Delta NF would be better in HR than the ESFj.

    But anyway...

    Alpha NT: Academia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Alpha NT: Academia
    ????
    MAYBE I'LL BREAK DOWN!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Alpha NT: Academia
    ????
    Why?
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    # ALPHA

    INTj: Star Trek convention
    ESFj: Tupperware party
    ISFp: The park
    ENTp: Debate club



    # BETA

    ISTj: Human resources
    ENFj: Motivational speaker
    INFp: Coffeshop
    ESTp: Gym



    # GAMMA

    INTp: Library
    ESFp: Mosh pit
    ISFj: Mall security
    ENTj: Politics



    # Delta

    ISTp: The garage
    ENFp: Professional student
    INFj: Church
    ESTj: Management



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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    Please don't correct me! It's just a joke.
    Jokes are humorous if there is some reflection reality or the perception thereof, but most of these do not seem to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    Please don't correct me! It's just a joke.
    Jokes are humorous if there is some reflection reality or the perception thereof, but most of these do not seem to do so.
    are you kidding logos? those are hilarious!! thanks, slackermom.

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    at this thread. Did people just not see it the first 2 days of its existence?
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    ESTj - Medicine, Network Engineer
    ESFp - Making porn movies
    ESTp - Personal Trainer, Professional Athlete
    ISTj - Accountant(my dad was a very good accountant) - I wouldn't have liked him as my boss though. OMG
    ISFj - Reception Teacher (plays little Fi games with the kids, reads stories etc its pretty cute)
    ENTp - Computer programmer
    INTj - Philosophy University Lecturer (im not sure about this as i only saw her once but i have a hunch) - She seemed very good at it too

    They do seem Stereotyped but that shows Socionics is on the right track.
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    ENTP - entrepreneur, worker for web 2.0 companies, marketing/advertising, professor
    ISFP - dance instructor, something related to animals, chef, gardener, professional taster, clothing designer
    ESFJ - professional homemaker, manager of a restaurant/hotel/bakery, public relations
    INTJ - computer programmer, biochemist, genetics researcher

    ESTP - professional athlete, spy, military special forces
    INFP - writer, musician, artist
    ENFJ - politian, church (pastor), motivational speaker, cult leader
    ISTJ - accounting, military, FBI/NSA/etc.

    ENTJ - CEO, corporate finance, consulting, investment banker
    ISFJ - professional homemaker, manager, cop, nurse, secretary
    ESFP - actor, celebrity, promoter, model
    INTP - computer programmer, engineer, hedge fund manager, investor, strategic operations (most organizations have a special strategy department)

    ESTJ - doctor, manager, lawyer, these guys can do almost anything
    INFJ - emo band member, psychologist, doctor (more analytical fields such as radiology), writer, artist
    ENFP - social entrepreneur, advertising/marketing, journalist, professor
    ISTP - surgeon, NASCAR driver, pilot, professional athlete
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Alpha NT: Academia
    ????
    Why?
    Actually, that was my question to you.


    Quote Originally Posted by meatburger
    ESFp - Making porn movies
    Ahahahahahaaha, someone you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by diamond8
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    Please don't correct me! It's just a joke.
    Jokes are humorous if there is some reflection reality or the perception thereof, but most of these do not seem to do so.
    are you kidding logos? those are hilarious!! thanks, slackermom.
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Alpha NT: Academia
    ????
    Why?
    Actually, that was my question to you.
    Why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Alpha NT: Academia
    ????
    Why?
    Actually, that was my question to you.
    Why not?
    God dammit you're difficult. You say it originally, then the only reason you have for posting it when questioned is, "Why not?"?!?!!? Well, I don't know... "Why not" is only a good enough reason when making jokes, which is what I would infer from this post, except that the other posts in this thread makes you seem like you are serious?

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    The idea that academia/intellectualism = Alpha NT is consistent with a lot of writings in Socionics.
    Whether it's true is a different question. I suspect that other quadras are much better represented among intellectual types than some Socionists would suspect.
    Actually, I think that a lot of professors are probably ENFj (in reference to an earlier comment...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    God dammit you're difficult. You say it originally, then the only reason you have for posting it when questioned is, "Why not?"?!?!!? Well, I don't know... "Why not" is only a good enough reason when making jokes, which is what I would infer from this post, except that the other posts in this thread makes you seem like you are serious?

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    You had a question about why Alpha NTs would be in academia, to which I was curious as to why they would not, so I wanted to hear your rationale for why there would be any reason to think otherwise.

    The idea that academia/intellectualism = Alpha NT is consistent with a lot of writings in Socionics.
    Whether it's true is a different question.
    Well it is also that academia represents a greater freedom to for Alpha NTs to pursue their intellectual interests in environments which they are more comfortable.

    I suspect that other quadras are much better represented among intellectual types than some Socionists would suspect.
    I think that is definitely true, but I do believe that Alpha (and Gamma) NTs are drawn to academia more readily than some other types. It does not necessarily mean that there is a greater amount of Alpha NTs in academia, but that it does provide a field to which Alpha NTs may be best allowed to "flourish."

    Actually, I think that a lot of professors are probably ENFj (in reference to an earlier comment...).
    Yes and no. Stereotypical university professors yes, but there are many fields in which non-NTs are present as these fields act as extensions of jobs, careers, and professions which appeal to other types. So you may be more likely to see an ISTj accounting professor or an ENFj journalism professor, but the 3 Crazy P's (physics, philosophy, psychology) professors may be ENTps while the political science or genetics professor is an INTj. I do think that there are different types reprsented within fields as these types may have an appeal for a certain field for different reasons and each type would bring a new perspective to the field as to expand it in exciting and unexplored ways.
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    I think that a wide variety of types are represented in academia, and people will generally teach what they would otherwise pursue (ISFP becomes cooking professor, ENTJ finance professor, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Alpha NT: Academia
    ????
    Why?
    Actually, that was my question to you.
    Why not?
    God dammit you're difficult. You say it originally, then the only reason you have for posting it when questioned is, "Why not?"?!?!!? Well, I don't know... "Why not" is only a good enough reason when making jokes, which is what I would infer from this post, except that the other posts in this thread makes you seem like you are serious?

    /most useless set of interactions ever
    i think the rationale that alpha NT=acadamia is extremely obvious, even if perhaps a stereotypical oversimplification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    God dammit you're difficult. You say it originally, then the only reason you have for posting it when questioned is, "Why not?"?!?!!? Well, I don't know... "Why not" is only a good enough reason when making jokes, which is what I would infer from this post, except that the other posts in this thread makes you seem like you are serious?

    /most useless set of interactions ever
    You had a question about why Alpha NTs would be in academia, to which I was curious as to why they would not, so I wanted to hear your rationale for why there would be any reason to think otherwise.
    Because it doesn't line up with experience, and people do well in school for a variety of other, unrelated reasons, such as how important they think it is, what kind of opportunities they have, and so on.

    Your "...why there would be any reason to think otherwise" attitude is arrogant and annoying, it's almost like you expect everything that you write down become the law and you expect everyone to listen to you, without question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Because it doesn't line up with experience, and people do well in school for a variety of other, unrelated reasons, such as how important they think it is, what kind of opportunities they have, and so on.
    You are reading an exlcusivism which is not implied in the text. I did not say that only Alpha NTs do well in academia, but that Alpha NTs flourish in academia. The greatest amount of information through which to pursue patterns, possibilities, and potential () exists in the academic sphere in journals, primary sources, and research by which they can piece together their systems and theories.

    Your "...why there would be any reason to think otherwise" attitude is arrogant and annoying, it's almost like you expect everything that you write down become the law and you expect everyone to listen to you, without question.
    You have the right to believe as such, but I do not view it as such. I do not expect other people to adopt my viewpoints or accept them as law, but unless I have been convinced through a logical and reasonable explanation then I will believe what I believe. Once more, you asked as to why Alpha NT would flourish in academia. I merely asked why would they not when academia would seem to be the perfect medium through which they could naturally utilize their primary functions of and .
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    Where I have flourished:

    - some sports (cycling, dancing)
    - problem solving on the spot where you have to coordinate differnt tasks/areas etc
    - computer programming
    - design

    Where I do not flourish

    - some parts of school/academics that deal with really, uhm, IJ things
    - low level positions where i have zero freedom and i have to abide to authority
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    exxps - sales

    exxjs - organizational heads

    i think these are both essential for the intj to master udp. i hope that helps. my suggestion: become exxp/exxj

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    I'll keep that in mind, SAM

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Where I have flourished:

    - some sports (cycling, dancing)
    - problem solving on the spot where you have to coordinate differnt tasks/areas etc
    - computer programming
    - design

    Where I do not flourish

    - some parts of school/academics that deal with really, uhm, IJ things
    - low level positions where i have zero freedom and i have to abide to authority
    if more people want to do something like FDG's description there, and state your type if it is not visible in your sig, that would be acceptable.
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    INFj

    Environments where I might flourish:
    -Government sector: established and clear structure. Allows me to work with people as a team.
    -Occupational Therapy, Physiotherapy, Speech Pathology, Chiropractic: allows me to work one-on-one with a patient. Makes me feel good that people need my help.
    -Non-profit organization: gives me a sense of purpose in life
    -Accountancy: guaranteed road to success
    -Any environment where I can work with people in a team. It gives me a sense of assurance that I'm in the right direction.

    Enviroments where I might not flourish:
    -mainstream school system: rigid and lack of motivation from the students
    -Business consulting: not my strength
    -Setting up my own business
    -HR: have to deal with office politics and work alone (in a way)
    -Any environment which requires me to do a lot of public speaking and presentations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice
    INFj
    -Accountancy: guaranteed road to success
    -Any environment where I can work with people in a team. It gives me a sense of assurance that I'm in the right direction.
    I also enjoy team work.

    Maybe we will end up as a team of accountants someday for a nonprofit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos
    Actually, I think that a lot of professors are probably ENFj (in reference to an earlier comment...).
    Yes and no. Stereotypical university professors yes, but there are many fields in which non-NTs are present as these fields act as extensions of jobs, careers, and professions which appeal to other types. So you may be more likely to see an ISTj accounting professor or an ENFj journalism professor, but the 3 Crazy P's (physics, philosophy, psychology) professors may be ENTps while the political science or genetics professor is an INTj. I do think that there are different types reprsented within fields as these types may have an appeal for a certain field for different reasons and each type would bring a new perspective to the field as to expand it in exciting and unexplored ways.
    Maybe. In my observations, ENFjs are often found in more technical areas than one may think. They can still master the "T" stuff, but then they're good at making their point at the front of the room and dramatizing things. It could be that the people I'm thinking of are really Ti types who have developed their dual side. But I rather suspect that they're actually Fe types who have developed their dual (Ti) side.

    Sometimes there are speakers who are just full of enthusiasm, highly expressive, very personable, and it registers with me as Fe. But they may still be talking about highly technical stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan
    Maybe. In my observations, ENFjs are often found in more technical areas than one may think. They can still master the "T" stuff, but then they're good at making their point at the front of the room and dramatizing things. It could be that the people I'm thinking of are really Ti types who have developed their dual side. But I rather suspect that they're actually Fe types who have developed their dual (Ti) side.

    Sometimes there are speakers who are just full of enthusiasm, highly expressive, very personable, and it registers with me as Fe. But they may still be talking about highly technical stuff.
    Perhaps, but maybe you too are beginning to overstate the percentage of ENFjs. I do believe you are right, to the extent that there are plenty of ENFjs in the higher education and technical settings, but at the same time I think that the you are seeing, may in fact simply be the energy and enthusiasm of a professor talking about their subject of interest to classrooms full of students.
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    From personal experience, a good portion of the elites in undergraduate pure mathematics who stay with their program are ILIs and LII's.

    Most of the other types end up in more practical disciplines.

    The same applies to my profs, but I don't want to draw conclusions because the very nature of pure mathematics is highly and in nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
    ENFp: Professional student


    I flourish in academia!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vigilante
    From personal experience, a good portion of the elites in undergraduate pure mathematics who stay with their program are ILIs and LII's.

    Most of the other types end up in more practical disciplines.

    The same applies to my profs, but I don't want to draw conclusions because the very nature of pure mathematics is highly and in nature.
    And since when is math an "unpractical discipline"?!? It's very practical. And then you say you "don't want to draw conclusions", and then in your very next words you ARE drawing conclusions? You make no sense.
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    Well, if we're talking about academia then here are my thoughts:

    I've found the best teachers for practical hands-on stuff to be delta STs, for applicable theory to be ENTj, INTp and a type that I got along really well with, , don't know what type he was, for social sciences ENFp and ENFj, coaching ESTp ESFp, computer stuff ENTp and something else similar in type to the other person I didn't know his type, art and writing INFp. Those are types of people I found were able to communicate well their respective subjects to me. Oh, and my kindergarten teacher was probably INFj and she was great too.
    Kindergarten's academia? When I say academia I mean the specific realm of higher level education, professors, research, scholars, peer review, and collegiate lectures.
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    That was thrown in as a joke, and to get people to stop being such a bunch of pretentious fools.
    A joke will not stop pretentiousness. I said that Alpha NTs flourish in academic setting and people call it pretentious. I did not say that solely Alpha NTs flourish in academia and in no way did I imply it.
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