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    I will expand upon this later, as I am studying, but it just came to me.
    IT reminds me of INTJ MBTI descriptions which say the leading function is introverted intuition...

    Anyway, it seems like my mind is irrational in how it absorbs information. It does not go directly, it has to jump around, and then get an inutitive picture of its structure, and then come back, fill in the blanks, solidify, and move on. This whole process takes time.

    Does anyone else know what I mean?
    Is that how it works for everyone?
    Or is that just natural

    or are others more linear in that process?
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    Sounds to me.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP III
    I will expand upon this later, as I am studying, but it just came to me.
    IT reminds me of INTJ MBTI descriptions which say the leading function is introverted intuition...

    Anyway, it seems like my mind is irrational in how it absorbs information. It does not go directly, it has to jump around, and then get an inutitive picture of its structure, and then come back, fill in the blanks, solidify, and move on. This whole process takes time.

    Does anyone else know what I mean?
    Is that how it works for everyone?
    Or is that just natural

    or are others more linear in that process?
    one could look at your description and suggest that
    1) Ti, being a relations/interdependencies function, and relationships NOT being linear, it makes sense that your mind seems to jump around
    2) Ne, being a creative function, creates an image/picture/mental structure of what the Ti is doing...almost as it's doing it.

    mine is slightly different
    i'll first temporarily accept a concept, and then i'll create relationships between the concept and personal experiences (which includes descriptions i've heard from other people)
    as i'm creating the relationships, my mind goes back and forth from concept to jumping around to various connections, back and forth back and forth, until i've got a general impression of the implications of the concept i was given...that then is the information i work with
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan
    Sounds to me.
    So what is then?

    Why don't other people post examples of themselves?
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    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP III
    it has to jump around, and then get an inutitive picture of its structure, and then come back, fill in the blanks, solidify, and move on. This whole process takes time.
    ... what does that even mean? Because of my confusion, I doubt my thought-process is similar...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    Ah ha, found it, in this thread somewhere: http://the16types.info/forums/viewto...light=function
    wow, all that was within a week or so of my first discovering socionics

    it's interesting reading my own posts on it
    nothing has changed
    i'd probably add some to it or alter some phrases here or there, though

    i remember what it was like trying to figure out what was going on, too
    (probably because I do similar for a number of my posts since then)
    i had to put myself in a sort of trance like state which felt like going up creek without a paddle, to follow the information line a few bits, and then allow myself to flow back down to check if it felt right, then a few more strokes up....then float down....stroke up.....float down

    it was not an easy thing to do!!
    while i've gotten better at it.....i still get horrific headaches
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    For me it is like finding ways to related it to the Ti core. Taking in new information is an intersting process I find, especially a new mechanical sort of language like accounting. It's not complicated, it's just a new system. Actually uploading and downloading, receiving the information is slow, but in the process I suppose I seek to understand every aspect of the material.

    I realize it takes time. Maybe this is my slowly coming to terms with , that I am being aware of this now.
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    I think the very fact that you can describe how your thought processes work is telling. That's not something a lot of people can do (me included).

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    It's a little hard to say . But it has been hard sometimes deciding whether I considered my process to be ENTp or INTj. I would say it is similar to UDP. What I relate to in ENTp descriptions/comments is that I seek a concept to tie information together. It might not say everything about how I process information, but that is what my mind habitually does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    I think the very fact that you can describe how your thought processes work is telling. That's not something a lot of people can do (me included).
    I think Introverts are just better at that.
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    What I am really trying to do is figure out how to best use
    I am quite certain it is my leading function.

    Having spent two years in a Ti refinement overdrive, really seeking to incorporate new information is a task, and I have to remember pacing myself. Build the generate the diamond with patience. Otherwise I'm going to end up with pencil lead.
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    By the way, my description was biased, in that I was being somewhat of a lazy bitch at the time. Getting a figurative blueprint of the material is helpful, but I have to process things directly, I observed today. Otherwise it is just bits and pieces, superficial.

    It really is a matter of how focused, and how well digest the information is.
    That, and getting enough sleep + knowing your biorhythm and optimizing it.
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    Default Re: ? rationality of the mind

    Quote Originally Posted by UDP III
    Anyway, it seems like my mind is irrational in how it absorbs information. It does not go directly, it has to jump around, and then get an inutitive picture of its structure, and then come back, fill in the blanks, solidify, and move on. This whole process takes time.
    When I'm learning something new, my mind always seeks analogies from what I've learned before, e.g. I learn a lot about the infrastructures of past societies, and so compare them with each other - sometimes the analogy isn't even to do with archaeology.

    Also, when I read a new book or watch a film I haven't seen before, sometimes I have to stop in order to reflect over a particular part - it's as though it connects with me, and I want to work out how. Other times, I want to consider every possibly meaning + its complete meaning before being limited by getting to the end - the ideas\reflections something gives me is more important to me than the ending (especially if it's disappointing).

    I find taking short naps or having a daydream session helps me to make sense of new information + allows me to complete the connections I've seen momentarily - expands the possibilities of what you have learned, and allows comparisions to be easily made (it limits the field of ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP III
    What I am really trying to do is figure out how to best use
    I am quite certain it is my leading function.

    Having spent two years in a Ti refinement overdrive, really seeking to incorporate new information is a task, and I have to remember pacing myself. Build the generate the diamond with patience. Otherwise I'm going to end up with pencil lead.
    some things that might interest you, udp:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacognition
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-regulated_learning
    lol

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    These learners hold incremental beliefs about intelligence (as opposed to fixed views of intelligence) and attribute their successes or failures to factors (e.g., effort expended on a task, effective use of strategies) within their control
    Definitely
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