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    I have a small theory about political lean in the types and I would like a bit of information with which to validate it. Please post your quadra, temperament, and the "personal" and "economic" scores from the following quiz. Please use the first attempt!

    http://www.quiz2d.com/quiz/

    Thank you!

    Myself: Alpha NT, personal 66.2, economic 51.9
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    Personal: 100

    Economic: 100

    Everybody with a lower score gets a figurative shot in the head for trying to tell me what to do and ruin my freedom and the freedom of everybody else. Tyrannical assholes.
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    Sorry, FDG.

    Personal = 100
    Economic = 82.7

    Still, I got "radical libertarian".
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    Delta NF, personal=60.8, economic=38.7

    Liberal-leaning centrist

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    I didn't see any numbers but it said this:
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    You want government out of people's personal lives, but you appear to desire some continued government control over people's economic activities. There is no political party that represents your views. You need a mix of Democratic, Libertarian and possibly Green politicians in office. The ratio between these depends on how high up your dot is on the chart. (The Green Party probably runs the most candidates with your views, but the overall Green Party platform is much more socialistic than you are.)
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    Slacker Mom: It's in the URL for the page. I will just take the centre of that area if you don't have the URL saved in history or whatnot.

    Thanks to everyone who's replied so far.
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    personal=70.7&economic=35.5
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    I didn't see any numbers either, I got Moderate Libertarian, higher on the perseonal freedom, lower on economic.
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    personal=87.5
    economic=27.8


    You want government out of people's personal lives, but you appear to desire some continued government control over people's economic activities. There is no political party that represents your views. You need a mix of Democratic, Libertarian and possibly Green politicians in office. The ratio between these depends on how high up your dot is on the chart. (The Green Party probably runs the most candidates with your views, but the overall Green Party platform is much more socialistic than you are.)
    even if this description is a catch-all, its contents and the numbers are dead-on.

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    Personal = 78.8
    Economic = 61.3

    (Moderate Libertarian)

    You desire substantially less government control of both personal and economic activity than is presently the case in the U.S. According to some definitions, this makes you a libertarian. According to other definitions, including the Libertarian Party's membership oath, you are not.

    The Republican Party fields a small number of candidates with your views, and the Democrats fewer yet. The Libertarian Party runs the most candidates with your views, though the party as a whole is more radical (in the small government sense) than you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana
    It's interesting how almost everyone here at that time tested as Libertarian...
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    INFp
    personal=100
    economic=87.3
    IEI subtype

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    *sigh*

    i answered the questions, but then the last one asks me to rate the importance of the questions to me, asking me to go back up, reread the question, then down to rate it, then scroll back up to the next question, then down, then up, then down.....

    i'm lazy

    maybe i'll do it another time
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    INTj.

    Personal: 100
    Economic: 63.8
    "To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"

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    Yea, it's kinda impossible to NOT test on the libertarian side in these sorts of things, as no legitimate authoritarian political ideologies really exist in our part of the world... (personal opinions about Bush administration aside)

    All my friends who have taken this one have been in the social liberal or libertarian areas. That's ok, I can work with the biased quiz, just gotta rescale it. I'm gonna take some stats from the numbers and see what kind of trend we can find.
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    Personal=91.2
    Economic=83.4
    INTJ.
    I like money. You should, too.
    http://www.working-minds.com/money.htm

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    personal: 84.5
    economic: 66.8
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    Personal: 100
    Economic: 89.6
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Personal: 100%
    Economic: 19.6%

    Democratic Socialism for life
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    Radical Libertarian

    Personal = 92.1
    Economic = 81.3

    FREEDOM FOR ALL!!!!! FIGHT THE POWER!!!!





    In reality, I am really a moderate libertarian because I've learned that there's a fine line between freedom and less government. Anarchy would possibly result in less freedom for the average individual.
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    Almost everyone seems to score as a libertarian.....hmmm....

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    Moderate Libertarian

    personal 90.6
    economic 58.5

    and yah the political compass test is wayyy better
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler
    In reality, I am really a moderate libertarian because I've learned that there's a fine line between freedom and less government. Anarchy would possibly result in less freedom for the average individual.
    I agree in many respects. Basically I only support moderate transitions because I feel more decisive ones would sacrifice a great deal of individual liberty for the time being, so that's the way I answered this quiz. I took it again with the endpoint in mind, and got somewhere around 100/95.
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    Where's all my socialists at?!

    Seriously, we need more socialism if we're going to survive as a species; we cant all do whatever we want
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncassidy
    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler
    In reality, I am really a moderate libertarian because I've learned that there's a fine line between freedom and less government. Anarchy would possibly result in less freedom for the average individual.
    I agree in many respects. Basically I only support moderate transitions because I feel more decisive ones would sacrifice a great deal of individual liberty for the time being, so that's the way I answered this quiz. I took it again with the endpoint in mind, and got somewhere around 100/95.
    Yes, I've realized that there are two ways to take the quiz, you can take it idealistically in what would sound incredible in your ideal society. The other was taking it in a realistic fashion, which I would of ended up being closer to the center like what you did.

    It's a myth that less government equates to more freedom all the time because then a non-government organization would take control, there is always a group out there willing to seize power. I've also learned that a lot of the barriers and lack of freedoms are a result of the system. We would need to revamp the system and re-start from scratch if we wish to have complete individual freedom.
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    It all comes down to the presence of pathological types and their destabilizing psychological nature. These types push the limits of social moralism, and even break them outright. The struggle between the parties ultimately boils down to divergent perspectives as to how to restrain the influence of the pathological minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
    It all comes down to the presence of pathological types and their destabilizing psychological nature. These types push the limits of social moralism, and even break them outright. The struggle between the parties ultimately boils down to divergent perspectives as to how to restrain the influence of the pathological minority.
    I don't see what social deviance or conflict theory have to do with this thread.
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    I think the only thing keeping me from agreeing entirely with libertarians is that I believe a corporation should not be ascribed rights that individuals are not. Regarding credit cards:

    In the United States, some have called for Congress to enact additional regulations on the industry - for instance expanding the disclosure box, using plain language, and incorporating balance payoff disclosures. Opponents - usually of a conservative or libertarian orientation - of such regulation argue that customers must become more proactive and self-responsible in evaluating and neogotiating terms with credit offerers.
    Essentially this results in giving special powers to the corporation: the more customers lured into a standard by an organization, the more powerful and universal the standard becomes, and the greater detriment to those who are unwilling to accept the terms of the agreement. This process of "liberty discrimination" essentially leads to an equilibrium where anyone not sacrificing their individual privacy or freedom is at a great disadvantage.

    Consider Air Miles, grocery store club cards, and credit cards, for example. Both are effectively free from a financial standpoint, however they involve some observation of your spending habits and thus a loss of privacy. Because the terms are quite favorable from a financial standpoint, almost all individuals will accept them, and there is a de facto sacrifice of liberty. Or consider investments funded entirely on margin. They cost nothing, in fact they make you money. The risk of a loss in the long run is small. Essentially anyone who has built up the credit and reputation necessary to use them should do so. But the greater the proportion of users, the greater the inflation in the economy, and the greater the effect on those who refuse to take the risk but still use the same economic "commons".

    More examples can be developed. I think we need to choose *some* body to prevent prisoner's dilemma type traps such as these from being built by corporations to ensnare rational people. They are almost exclusively economic in nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Personal: 100

    Economic: 100

    Everybody with a lower score gets a figurative shot in the head for trying to tell me what to do and ruin my freedom and the freedom of everybody else. Tyrannical assholes.
    Alpha NT


    Personal 59.3
    Economic 87.6

    However, I would like to state that I refuse to acknowledge the basis of several of the questions and their respective answers. Which is why I am quoting you and your 100%

    The pro libertarian statements do not place any note regarding personal responsibility to tack on to the freedom.
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